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Template:DragonKeeperChronicles

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 22:14, 27 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:DragonKeeperChronicles (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

all red links. Frietjes (talk) 20:57, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Expand article

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The result of the discussion was delete per this discussion and as it seems to be exactly the same as {{expand}} which was previously deleted. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 22:10, 27 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Expand article (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Every article can be expanded, there is no reason to use this template on some of those. If this isn't deleted, can we at least remove |further=? The fact that this template points to suggested sources that should have been listed by the person placing it is its only redeeming quality.  Ryan Vesey 19:56, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • If an article needs a template to survive deletion, the article likely should be deleted anyway. I don't think that article should be deleted btw. Plus that article already has a stub tag, meaning this template shouldn't be on the article anyway. Garion96 (talk) 17:18, 17 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I would support keeping the template iff the rationale parameter is mandatory. I would still argue that this template should be used sparingly. Most Wikipedia articles can be expanded, stubs or not. But those that are not stubs should be using the {{expand section}} template in the section that needs to be expanded, where possible. --Joshua Issac (talk) 12:06, 20 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment regarding stub instead of expand article: I use this on non-stubs where the importance of the subject dictates expansion is required and multiple uses of expand-section is inadequate or would amount to template over-use. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 22:53, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Used irregularly and could probably apply to any article other than GA/FA ones. If an article is too short then tag it as a stub, I don't think this template encourages anyone to expand an article. Samwalton9 (talk) 10:03, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Most articles are too short and larger than a stub, which to me renders this template pointless. Samwalton9 (talk) 19:49, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep – This is a functional template to add to the Further reading sections of articles. When Further reading sources exist that can be used to expand an article, it's a nice template to use to remind editors about this possibility. For an example, see History of breakfast#Further reading. Deleting this template certainly won't encourage people to actually improve the encyclopedia; conversely, the opposite may actually transpire, in which editors then may not bother to check out the Further reading entries in articles, like they're just insignificant lists in articles to be ignored or skimmed over. Northamerica1000(talk) 11:06, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Does {{more footnotes}} not do the same? --BDD (talk) 15:14, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Not particularly, because the More footnotes template simply suggests adding more inline citations to articles, rather than expanding them. Northamerica1000(talk) 06:25, 27 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep because of potential usefulness but more strongly enforce proper usage rather than allow use as a mirror of {{expand}}. Rephrase "Some suggested sources follow" to "The [[#Further reading|Further reading]] section contains sources that can be used" then get a bot to delete the template on pages where it isn't in a References, Bibliography, Further reading or External links section. Reatlas (talk) 14:01, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Isn't this exactly why we deprecated {{expand}}? All articles that aren't FA are inherently needing expansion. This template is vague and meaningless, and any argument of "usefulness" has failed to provide an example. Per User:Resolute, if expansion is needed, then that's what talk pages are for. This template is every bit as prone to drive-by tagging as {{expand}} was, and it's pretty much the same damn wording. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 19:47, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep for further reading sections only Maintenance billboards at the top of articles jar the reader and, I suspect, do very little to promote useful editing, judging by the fact that many remain there for years and years. I'm fairly skeptical of the merits of most, but this one takes the cake: you can't get any less helpful than telling other editors: "Hey, this article should be longer!" However, if the template's at the top of well-curated further reading section, as Northamerica1000 mentions, it provides a helpful roadmap to editors: read these sources, and you'll find facts you can add to the article. In this case, it's actually useful; if not for that single situation, I'd be calling for it to be shoved up against a wall like all the other delete voters. I suggest we keep it and allow editors to summarily remove it unless it's at the top of a list of useful sources. —Neil 05:18, 27 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I don't recall ever using the template but am not stating it cannot have value. Coolboygcp stated using it "hundreds of times", even daily and asserts that others do too. I did not look, so not pointing a finger, just making a general point; One thing I dislike is pilot tag editors that bomb drop tags. I delete any vague tags I run across-- with talk page reasoning, if there is not obvious valid evidence for such a tag, and certainly lacking talk page comments. Vague tags are useless tags, and per some comments above, all articles can be expanded. There is a talk page for a reason and these are supposedly not for general chat but article improvements. I do not support using any tag that can be conveniently used for "fly-by-tagging". I find many that are dropped with no talk page reasoning and it is not my job to try to guess the mind of the tagging editor. Let's improve articles not dive bomb them with vague tags. Considering the above;
    • Would support keep with a rationale/reason parameter, and I can't imagine why that would not be reasonable. An editor that sees a problem necessitating a tag, can certainly spend a few seconds communicating the rationale right? Otr500 (talk) 13:13, 27 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as pointless. If expansion is needed then that is in most cases obvious, at least to editors who have the knowledge to act on this need.  Sandstein  21:20, 27 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Menace II Society characters

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 22:03, 27 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Menace II Society characters (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template not used in any useful fashion. None of the characters listed have viable biographies. The articles that have been created are unreferenced OR and have been redirected back to the main film article. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 16:18, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual

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The result of the discussion was mark as historical Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 21:59, 27 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
I'm copying Moonriddengirl's comments directly here because I agree with them completely.

I believe this template should be marked historical and deprecated. All contributors dually license their text contributions in accordance with the WP:TOU. That dual license is retroactive in accordance with the licensing transition of 2009. Accordingly this template is now both inaccurate ("I agree to multi-license my text contributions, unless otherwise stated" doesn't apply) and just wrong ("Please be aware that other contributors might not do the same"). It has a high potential to mislead or at least confuse those who see it on user pages

— User:Moonriddengirl
 Ryan Vesey 01:09, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
If we can't Delete it then yes, let's mark it historical and deprecated. It doesn't add anything, and as Moonriddengirl says, it's at best unhelpfully redundant, at worst confusing nonsense. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:26, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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