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Template:Adrian Sherwood

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 01:23, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Adrian Sherwood (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN Not enough links to warrant a nav box The Banner talk 13:01, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - How can this not have enough articles if there are FIVE links? Adrian Sherwood founded Pressure Sounds, owns On-U Sound Records, formed Dub Syndicate and recorded Never Trust a Hippy. --Jax 0677 (talk) 14:28, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The backlink does not count, and you know that, so it makes only four. Besides that, he was only involved in the founding of Pressure Sounds, not one of the founders. This is plain peacock, mr. Jax. The Banner talk 16:17, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Reply - Banner, please pay close attention before you tell me that "The backlink does not count", because NENAN is only an essay, not a policy. There are a total of six links in "Template:Adrian Sherwood":

  1. Adrian Sherwood
  2. Never Trust a Hippy (Adrian Sherwood album)
  3. Dub Syndicate
  4. Time Boom X De Devil Dead
  5. On-U Sound Records
  6. Pressure Sounds

According to the first article which does have references, "Sherwood was co-founder of Carib Gems and Pressure Sounds". Additionally, the articles do not all link to one another, and stubs for Dub Syndicate's albums can easily be created. --Jax 0677 (talk) 16:33, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • I count six as well. It seems to satisfy WP:NENAN and probably WP:NAV. —rybec 20:26, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • In fact just three, as it is common practise that the backlink (Adrian Sherwood) and the related links (On-U Sound Records, Pressure Sounds) are not counted to the number of useful links. By the way, Jax, your comment because NENAN is only an essay sounds a bit odd, noticing that you often make stubs to satisfy the "rule" of 5 useful links of WP:NENAN. The Banner talk 00:19, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • Even so, the article about On-U Sound Record does not mention Sherwood at all. And his relation with Pressure Sounds are not backed up by reliable sources. The Banner talk 00:25, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • Reply I said 6 links, not six "useful links". You forgot to include Time Boom X De Devil Dead when you counted four. I added sourced commentary to three articles about how instrumental Sherwood was to On-U Sound Records & Pressure Sounds. Assuming NENAN is a policy, this navbox meets the rule of five, given that stubs can be created for Dub Syndicate's many albums. Assuming NENAN is a guideline (which it is), a navbox can have fewer links so long as it is useful. --Jax 0677 (talk) 18:00, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per WP:NENAN. Only two albums, plus the band Dub Syndicate = 3 links.
    The "related" links don't count for NENAN purposes, and nor does the backlink to the head article, so we actually have only 3 links. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:01, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • Reply - I changed the group title to "Companies owned by Sherwood" and added Singers & Players (a reggae collective made up of vocalists and musicians associated with Adrian Sherwood's On-U Sound Records), so we are now at 10 articles. Also, I have not been given an answer to why discography/song/award pages can be split out, but albums can not. I don't believe that these pages are notable by themselves. Additionally, I think that if track listings were created for all of the albums listed, that Dub Syndicate's article could get well over 60-100 kB. --Jax 0677 (talk) 17:46, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • Reply. Jax, your long-standing refusal to pay understand the notability guidelines has wasted a lot of the time of other editors. Read WP:N for an overview, and pay particular attention to WP:GNG. Then go read Wikipedia:Notability#Stand-alone_lists.
        As to Singers & Players, they and their works do not belong on this template: Sherwood is not credited on any of their recordings, nor is he mentioned in the head article other than as owner of the record company which they worked with. This is far too tenuous a connection to justify their inclusion, and I see no reason that a direct cross-link to Never Trust a Hippy (Adrian Sherwood album). So I have removed them from the navbox. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:21, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        • Reply - Singers & Players is a reggae collective made up of vocalists and musicians associated with Adrian Sherwood's On-U Sound Records. For this reason, I feel that this can be included in the navbox, because the group consists of various artists of OSR with no consistent lineup, and is largely based on the record label. --Jax 0677 (talk) 14:01, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
          Ah, come on. Stop adding nonsense. The fact that Sherwood owned a company, does not make the artists contracted to his company related to him personally. The Banner talk 17:02, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
          • (ec)Reply. The more loosely-connected the items, the less useful the navbox. Adding S&P to this navbox is taking a set of "stuff done by AS" and tacking onto another set of "stuff done by a group of people who worked a company owned by AS". There are two degrees of separation in there, and is no reason to presume that a reader of Never Trust a Hippy is going to want to so desperately keen to read about such loosely-connected material.
            This just looks like yet another of Jax's tendentious exercises in boosting the link count of a navbox. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:08, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note. Jax is not content with WP:POINTily creating articles on non-notable bands, and arguing about notability without apparently having read the guidelines. He has now tried to fork this discussion, by opening up a separate discussion at Template talk:Adrian Sherwood#Inclusion_of_.22Singers_.26_Players.22_in_navbox on the inclusion of S&P in this navbox, even tho that is already being discussed here. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:16, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • Reply - Apologies for violating WP:MULTI, I started the discussion at the navbox talk page per WP:BRD, but I have redirected the matter to this location. I have restructured the navbox on the basis that Adrian founded On-U Sound Records, and that S&P "is a reggae collective made up of vocalists and musicians associated with Adrian Sherwood's On-U Sound Records". This is the same tiered structure that is used for conglomerate corporations that have companies inside of companies, or albums and its songs. --Jax 0677 (talk) 17:23, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • delete, not enough core links. Frietjes (talk) 00:16, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Goon Moon

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 01:16, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Goon Moon (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN Two band members, two albums. That does not warrant a nav box as it can be solved by normal wikilinking The Banner talk 11:55, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Navbox has two musicians, three albums and one ensemble article. This is part of another TfD for Jeordie White. --Jax 0677 (talk) 14:30, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Shadow Project

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 01:19, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Shadow Project (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

WP:NENAN Band with several albums, but no one has an article. This can be solved with normal wikilinking The Banner talk 11:52, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Navbox has four musicians and one band, totalling five articles, which do not all link to one another. Stub articles for the albums can easily be created. This is part of another TfD for Rozz Williams. --Jax 0677 (talk) 16:59, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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