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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2020 November 30. (non-admin closure) EN-JungwonTalk 13:20, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) EN-JungwonTalk 08:25, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

NAVBOX for a class of ships that has only ship. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 20:18, 22 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 14:48, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Unused --TheImaCow (talk) 19:30, 22 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) EN-JungwonTalk 08:30, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No reason to have this-most times it's a good-faith mistake. This is WP: BITEy. HurricaneTracker495 (talk) 19:07, 22 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Yes, most times it is a good-faith mistake and then this template does not apply. But that is no reason to remove the template entirely. It is not biting the newbies to have a template to use against egregious abuse or trolling; WP:BITE might apply if the template were used against a good-faith new user, but like all the other 4im templates, there are times when it is appropriate to place it. --bonadea contributions talk 20:09, 22 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
If that were the case, we'd have uw-unsourced4im. Egregious unsourced editing can also happen. Or uw-subtle4im. uw-vandalism4im is in egregious cases as in other 4im templates. No case can possibly be this egregious when uw-unsourced4im isn't. --HurricaneTracker495 (talk) 21:04, 22 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The 4im warning series tends to focus on harassment and personal attacks against other editors, egregious spam, and serious BLP violations. If you identify other kinds of vandalism that could require a 4im warning, you can always request that it be created. Again, there are certainly cases of egregious vandalism of others' talk page comments, such that this template is appropriate. You only have to check the edits of users who have received a 4im tpv warning to see that. --bonadea contributions talk 21:40, 22 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Please show me two examples. HurricaneTracker495 (talk) 23:00, 22 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Misuse of the template does not justify its deletion. Its purpose is quite clear. There are some obvious times when people cross the line and they need to be notified when their behavior is obviously unsatisfactory. We do not need to go through the four-level warning system for the most obvious cases. This template should be deployed only in the most extreme cases, but anytime it's used when it's unnecessary and an incivility in its own right is not grounds for deleting it. I also find it unlikely this would be deployed for a user's first identifiable offense; I'd think it'd most likely apply for users with a troublesome history but with no recent warning headings to follow up on. Zeke, the Mad Horrorist (Speak quickly) (Follow my trail) 03:34, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: Usable in egregious cases such as replacing a talk page with obscenities or other talk page blanking vandalism. WP:BITE is pretty much ignorable if the intent of the newbie is clearly to vandalise. You can't AGF someone who clearly wants only to vandalise, and this template is for such situations. JavaHurricane 13:15, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - This template serves as a final warning after other warnings had already been given. It saves time with editors who do not want to issue step by step warnings a day or so after giving a series of others. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 00:28, 24 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) EN-JungwonTalk 08:45, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting unused module, which was recreated in August 2020. The same module was deleted back in July 2018. In addition, a consensus to use/create it was never reached (nor now, nor in 2018), for example, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ice Hockey/Archive76#New wiki-code templates for all 32 NHL ice hockey teams, because WP:NHL uses a different approach regarding teams' colors. Sabbatino (talk) 18:47, 22 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nominator, but if this is the exact same thing as was deleted two years ago, then it may qualify for WP:G4 speedy. Zeke, the Mad Horrorist (Speak quickly) (Follow my trail) 18:49, 22 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I see. I think I understand it much better now. Now I would like to know what the templates from two years ago actually did, and whether a consensus can be established that this is truly the right way to go (I see the benefits, so I'm not disagreeing, but this sounds like some sweeping changes that should be brought up on a community-wide scale before being implemented). Zeke, the Mad Horrorist (Speak quickly) (Follow my trail) 00:21, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, and expand out to include minor league teams, European teams, etc. How, where, when, and to what extent the module is used by the ice hockey project, is, of course, up to them. But, having all of the color data collected at one centralized location instead of scattered over hundreds of pages is definitely a good concept. Ejgreen77 (talk) 06:58, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2020 November 30. (non-admin closure) EN-JungwonTalk 08:50, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was speedy delete. G5; created by a sock of User:IslamMyLoveMyLife Favonian (talk) 21:29, 24 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Template title is misleading. Leadership of the Rashidun Caliphate was an elected or appointed position. There was no hereditary succession and four of the five holders belonged to different families, hence there is no concept of princes or royalty. Looking up the individuals listed here alongside royal titles does not return any meaningful results. Alivardi (talk) 16:36, 22 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No matter what, they all were their sons and the daughters, thus the princes and the princesses, and these all four caliphs and their children had important and honored position in Sunni Islam. Rashidun The Rightly Guided (talk) 16:48, 22 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2020 November 30. (non-admin closure) EN-JungwonTalk 13:21, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted as G8 by Liz (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 23:01, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Unused, copied from [1] --TheImaCow (talk) 14:52, 22 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 14:49, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Unused navbox without links --TheImaCow (talk) 14:05, 22 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 14:49, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Unused, a "blatant hoax" is pure vandalism. --TheImaCow (talk) 13:59, 22 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2020 November 30. (non-admin closure) EN-JungwonTalk 08:44, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2020 November 30. (non-admin closure) EN-JungwonTalk 13:21, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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