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Template:2019/20 Richmond dual premiership players

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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 08:08, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not used and the navbox is superseded by Template:2019 Richmond premiership players. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 19:14, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:2018–19 Turkish Women Basketball League Standings

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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 08:08, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Contains no information and the information for the standings for this season is on the mainspace. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 19:14, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:2018–19 Scottish League One table

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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 08:08, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Information already available on the mainspace. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 19:14, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:2018–19 Football Superleague of Kosovo table

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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 08:08, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Information already available on the mainspace. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 19:14, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:2018–19 Atlantic Hockey standings (men)

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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 08:08, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The information already exists in the standings section on 2018–19 NCAA Division I men's ice hockey season. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:56, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Myanmar National League table

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The result of the discussion was Delete -FASTILY 07:01, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The 2019 template contains information that isn't all useful and was most likely abandoned. The 2020 template information is already transcluded on the respective mainspace. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:56, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:2018 World U23 Wrestling Championships

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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 08:08, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Unused template with half red links and all links are redirects which go to the same page. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:56, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:2021 IFL standings

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2021 June 21. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 13:25, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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SHL Maps

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 16:30, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Just links to articles on the teams in the SHL. Doesn't link to the team's respective season articles. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 15:38, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:2020 China League One table

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 16:30, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Contains no useful information that can be transcluded on the 2020 China League One article. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 15:34, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:2020 African Nations Championship Group A matches

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 16:30, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Contains pre-pandemic information. Shouldn't be on its own template. The rescheduled matches are already on the 2020 African Nations Championship article. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 15:34, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:2020 Belarusian Second League Overall table

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 16:30, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Contains no information that can be transcluded onto the 2020 Belarusian Second League article. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 15:22, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:2018 Kazakhstan Premier League managers

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 16:29, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not used. There shouldn't be templates of managers of Premier League teams for every season. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 15:03, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Bikini Basketball Standings

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 16:29, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Aside from the fact the league folded, the information on the template is already featured on the respective season mainspaces and the Bikini Basketball Association article under both the 2013 and 2014 sections. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 14:57, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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2020 CFL Templates

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 16:29, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The 2020 Canadian Football League season was canceled due to the pandemic. Having the templates remain won't do any good as they won't be used for the purpose they were created for. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 14:49, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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OHL Templates

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2021 June 21. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 13:25, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:2006 AFC U-17 Championship qualification Group K table

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 16:25, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Group K is not a significant category of teams in an international sporting competition. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 14:39, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:2014 Asian Games football convenience template navbox

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 16:20, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Filled with nothing but red links to non-existent templates. Doubtful they will be created. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 14:30, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Nuremberg S-Bahn

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The result of the discussion was delete. --Trialpears (talk) 11:54, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

As discussed on the talk page, functionality was migrated into Template:Rail-interchange and is documented at Template:Rail-interchange/doc/DE. Nuremberg no longer uses the R-number designation for regional services so that functionality was not reimplemented. Edit: added the {{Nuremberg public transport}} wrapper template. Mackensen (talk) 12:32, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose (for now). The {{Rail-interchange}} replacement is incomplete, and uses a slightly different syntax (e.g. |S|3 vs. |S3). {{Rail-interchange}} should be modified to support all accepted parameters so that there is backward-compatibility for old page revisions that call this template. AlgaeGraphix (talk) 15:57, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    AlgaeGraphix, I would gently challenge the use of "incomplete". The replacement covers all current services within the scope of Verkehrsverbund Großraum Nürnberg. I suppose the question is how much backward compatibility is needed. Very few articles incorporated the regionalbahn icons as icons, and that's a lot of overhead for a limited use case. If someone really needs to know what our article about a Bavarian railway halt looked like three years ago then the Wayback Machine will do a better job. No old page revisions call rail-interchange anyway, they call Nuremberg S-Bahn. Preserving the look and feel of the old pages means retaining the template, even as some kind of wrapper. I'm not opposed per se, but I do question whether it's worth the overhead. Mackensen (talk) 17:05, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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  •   {{rint|nuremberg|u}} or {{…|nuremberg|u-bahn}}
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As I stated above, the {{Rail-interchange}} replacement is incomplete.

Just because there aren't any pages that currently use many of the old icons doesn't mean that there won't be any in the future. "Unused" icons often show up in unexpected ways later (particularly in Route Diagram Templates. AlgaeGraphix (talk) 12:10, 8 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I feel confident in stating that no future RDTs will show the R-bahn icons. I don't think any had them to begin with, and that numbering scheme isn't used anymore. The VGN icon wasn't used at all, the bus icon is supported and used in rint, so I'm not sure why it was omitted in your comparison? The DB icon already exists under de|rail; I saw no purpose in duplicating that functionality. That's a benefit of moving to rint. There's very little point in improving templates if we're required to maintain complete backward compatibility. We delete s-line templates all the time, which certainly has a negative effect on past articles, yet no one objects to this practice. Anyway, we'll see if anyone else has an opinion. Mackensen (talk) 22:39, 10 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 13:37, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete backward compatibility for old page revisions is simply not a valid argument for retention. Every template deleted here, except for ones that have been unused since their creation (which I would assume to be rare; why would someone create a template if they are not going to use it somewhere?) breaks backward compatibility, and no argument has been presented as to why it is more important here than at any other discussion. * Pppery * it has begun... 18:28, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Templates were replaced with a new system and there is no valid reason to keep the old templates around. --Gonnym (talk) 08:50, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Automotive Hall of Fame navboxs

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2021 June 23. --Trialpears (talk) 11:47, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Arabian Gulf Cup Champions

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 16:20, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Superseded by Template:Arabian Gulf Cup where it is linked to the mainspace articles to each Arabian Gulf Cup tournament. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:55, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 18:45, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Labyrinth (film)

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The result of the discussion was redirect to Template:Labyrinth (franchise). Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 16:17, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Template:Labyrinth (film) with Template:Labyrinth (franchise).
These are duplicate navigation boxes for the same topic. Only one is needed. OwlWing (talk) 09:36, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Reader-facing page

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The result of the discussion was keep. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 16:12, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This template instructs editors to "move editor-facing elements to other pages" based on WP:READER, which is an essay, not a policy or guideline. It is inappropriate to have templates that attempt to enforce rules not yet vetted by community consensus. Perhaps WP:READER will be elevated to guideline status someday, but until then, I believe this template should be deleted. Spicy (talk) 00:01, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. There are quite a few non-article pages on Wikipedia that are intended to be reader-facing. This template is highly useful for tracking those pages and ensuring that they don't drift toward an editor focus (as otherwise inevitably happens thanks to our systemic bias toward editor needs). {{u|Sdkb}} talk 00:09, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • You're just restating the argument of the essay - the point is that it is an essay, not a guideline. Spicy (talk) 00:24, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      WP:READER was the most convenient link to use, but it's more of just an information page than an argumentative essay, and the template is clearly not an endorsement of every word it says. Any page with a local consensus that it should be reader-facing is free to use this template on its talk page, whether or not WP:READER is a guideline. If you came across this template at a page that you think ought to be editor-facing instead, you can raise the issue on the talk page and remove the template if there's a consensus to do so; that's not a reason to delete the template as a whole. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 00:48, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Sdkb. * Pppery * it has begun... 18:28, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Sdkb. LSGH (talk) (contributions) 10:07, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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