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Alfred Caldwell Lily Pool

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Original - The Pavilion atop a stone outcropping at the Alfred Caldwell Lily Pool in the Lincoln Park Zoo (2007-05-16)
August 1, 2010 Reshoot
 
from south southeast
 
from east
 
Edit Rotated 2 degrees counterclockwise using GIMP by TonyTheTiger (talk · contribs)
Reason
This image received a lot of positive feedback at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Alfred Caldwell Lily Pool despite its technical shortcomings.
Articles this image appears in
Alfred Caldwell Lily Pool
Alfred Caldwell
Lincoln Park, Chicago
National Register of Historic Places listings in Chicago
List of National Historic Landmarks in Illinois
Creator
flickr user Digitalley
  • Support as nominator --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:42, 8 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Sorry, but other than the OOF issue which is arguably less of a problem here, I think the other problems identified at FPC are as much an issue here as there (lighting, less than ideal composition). I assume this place still exists and is quite accessible, so I personally don't think it qualifies for VP either as the image should be quite reproducible; if it was no longer in existence it may be a different story. (Sorry for rambling a bit, but just seeing if I can help you understand where VP comes into play; as we've said before, it's not just a poor-man's FP.) --jjron (talk) 08:46, 8 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose. I do love this picture & it has great EV for the articles it supplements, but jjron is right--just from a quick Google search there are numerous pictures of the lily pool and some with better context, e.g. [1] or [2]. Being in the Lincoln Park Zoo, this image is readily reproducible and I think because of that it just isn't right for VP. & a comment--I think this image would make a suitable addition to landscape architecture, perhaps in the responsibilities section. Amphy (talk)
  • Support We've got valued pictures with bigger quality issues. --I′d※<3※Ɵɲɛ (talk) 20:58, 8 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support The quality holds up FP but the guidelines for VP are that "An image's encyclopedic value is given priority over its artistic value.[1]" that is certainly met here.--Iankap99 (talk) 23:06, 8 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I already gave my response in the FPC nomination, I don't think this has the best possible EV for the "Lily Pool" since the article talks about a pond with lilies, and this is an image of a structure along side the pond. I think a better photograph can be taken that shows more of the pond. — raeky (talk | edits) 08:18, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • I had misinterpreted your statement "since we're not worried much about technical issues but more EV issues and slightly blurry doesn't dramatically hurt the EV." 15:04, 1 July 2010 (UTC) to mean you would suppport at VPC.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 13:36, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      • Directly after that I say, "The only issue I would have there is that the image focuses mostly on the structure and not the pond, and I would consider an image showing more of the pond higher EV since although the structure is a main feature of the lily pool, it is afterall the lily pool the article is about." — raeky (talk | edits) 14:14, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose A bit too dark, no? I also agree with the previous comment that the photo is focused on the structure instead of the pond. Regent of the Seatopians (talk) 23:04, 10 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Nice image --Extra 999 (Contact me + contribs) 11:57, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comments on reshoot:

Promoted File:20100801 Alfred Caldwell Lily Pool from southsoutheast.JPG --I'ḏ♥One 04:54, 25 August 2010 (UTC) [reply]
Promoted File:20100801 Alfred Caldwell Lily Pool from southsoutheast-2 cropped.jpg

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