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What does the arbitration committee in Wikipedia do

What does it do? Saankhyareddipalli (talk) 08:55, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee. Phil Bridger (talk) 09:16, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

1) Deals with user behavior problems that our normal consensus process at WP:ANI can't handle. 2) Deals with administrator behavior problems. 3) Deals with anything related to private, off-wiki information. 4) Deals with certain unblock requests. –Novem Linguae (talk) 02:56, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing my doubts Saankhyareddipalli (talk) 10:14, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

@Saankhyareddipalli: I encourage you to read the archives of the Arbitration report in The Signpost. Unfortunately, the report has been quiescent for a while. ☆ Bri (talk) 19:17, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing my doubts. Saankhyareddipalli (talk) 10:14, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Real Clear Politics

Why was Real Clear Politics deleted prior to the election and then put back in to 2024 Poll averages afterward? It turns out they were the most accurate of the aggregaters. Ticketmand (talk) 23:05, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

@Ticketmand, which article(s) are you talking about? WhatamIdoing (talk) 05:07, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Nationwide opinion polling for the 2024 United States presidential election 72.241.148.122 (talk) 05:42, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

@https://open.substack.com/pub/taibbi/p/how-americas-accurate-election-polls?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=j0rzu Ticketmand (talk) 05:46, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia, @Ticketmand. Have you figured out how to read the article's history page yet? If not, then Help:Page history might be useful. Looking through the history of the page, it looks like several different editors added or removed that particular poll multiple times, so whether it was in the article or not depends on when you were looking.

There are also multiple discussions at Talk:Nationwide opinion polling for the 2024 United States presidential election about the expected standards for included poll aggregators, and specifically whether to include RCP. As you can see, different people had different ideas about what's best. WhatamIdoing (talk) 07:15, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

I don't think it is a reliable source. See WP:RSNP which has it yellow, "There is no consensus as to RealClearPolitics's reliability. They appear to have the trappings of a reliable source, but their tactics in news reporting suggest they may be publishing non-factual or misleading information. Use as a source in a Wikipedia article should probably only be done with caution, and better yet should be avoided." Doug Weller talk 16:45, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

My personal take: the goal of any poll is to statistically reflect opinion. As such, reliability is the wrong metric to use when deciding whether to mention a specific poll. Instead, we should judge it based on DUE/UNDUE weight (as we would other forms of opinion reporting). How often is the specific poll cited in sources? Is it “noteworthy” or not? Blueboar (talk) 17:17, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

I agree with Blueboar. In that article, they're all being used as primary sources. They are reliable for the claim being supported (which is "This poll said this on this date", not "This candidate is going to win" or "This poll is correct"). Editors should use their judgment about which ones to include, and they should take into account factors such as how much attention this or that poll is getting in independent sources. Overall, I think a certain amount of back-and-forth is just to be expected, as different polls will get more or less attention over time. WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:59, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Donation season again

“The internet we were promised. 21 November: An important update for readers in Australia. You deserve an explanation, so please don't skip this 1-minute read. It's Thursday, 21 November, and this message will be up for only a few hours.”

The same damn message I saw 2 weeks ago. Seriously, do they put it up for a few hours the turn it off for a few hours in alternation?

Or is there a timestamp such that each cookie-bearing individual only sees the message for a few hours (or until the Cookie Monster visits and clears their tokens)?

I deserve an explanation.

At least now it is “we ask you, sincerely” instead of “we ask you, humbly”. The fake humility used to grind my gears.

. ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 19:17, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Pre-GivingTuesday, I understand that the main US-focused campaign often runs for a few hours here and there, or perhaps a whole day, depending on what they need to test.

That said, the timing varies by country, though, so I'm not sure whether you're seeing testing at the moment or if this is the 'normal' campaign for your location. US donors often prefer to make their donations towards the end of the calendar year, but other places have other patterns. (I've heard that US editors, who are a minority of donors, tend to donate quite early in the campaign.)

If you don't want to see these banners, then go to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-centralnotice-banners (or Special:GlobalPreferences#mw-prefsection-centralnotice-banners) and turn them off. There are cookies to suppress it for non-logged-in people (if you click the button to make it go away), but as of more than a decade ago, that only worked for a week at a time. WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:49, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Notification of a request for transwiki importer rights

A request for the assignment of transwiki importer rights is occurring at Wikipedia talk:Requests for page importation#Request for transwiki-importer - EggRoll97. To participate, please see the linked section. EggRoll97 ^(talk) 15:12, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Sign up for the language community meeting on November 29th, 16:00 UTC

Hello everyone,

The next language community meeting is coming up next week, on November 29th, at 16:00 UTC (Zonestamp! For your timezone <https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1732896000>). If you're interested in joining, you can sign up on this wiki page: <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Language_and_Product_Localization/Community_meetings#29_November_2024>.

This participant-driven meeting will be organized by the Wikimedia Foundation’s Language Product Localization team and the Language Diversity Hub. There will be presentations on topics like developing language keyboards, the creation of the Moore Wikipedia, and the language support track at Wiki Indaba. We will also have members from the Wayuunaiki community joining us to share their experiences with the Incubator and as a new community within our movement. This meeting will have a Spanish interpretation.

Looking forward to seeing you at the language community meeting! Cheers, Srishti 19:54, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Revert these edits from 15+ years ago on pages by IP editor on pages about Greek instruments

I don't know if here is where this should be posted. On pages about ancient Greek musical instruments like epigonion there is something about "ASTRA Project" that appears to be advertising of this project. These links were added over 15 years ago, and no one noticed. They should be removed as said previously it's advertising. Draheinsunvale (talk) 01:57, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

While I see plenty of things that could be improved in the Epigonion article, I don't think advertising for ASTRA is a problem. I couldn't find a surviving link to anything that explained what ASTRA was. Donald Albury 02:28, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Links to www.astraproject.org (LinkSearch) were added around 2009 and are in Aulos + Barbiton + Epigonion + Salpinx + Physical modelling synthesis. It should all be removed because the reference (archived example) is not worthwhile and the original (astraproject.org) has been usurped and is now gambling spam, see WP:JUDI. Johnuniq (talk) 03:11, 25 November 2024 (UTC)