Wikipedia:WikiProject Australian rules football/Quiz/Archive4

Q61

Okey dokes, thanks for the welcome. Well, I have no idea what questions have come before, but meh, if someone gets the answer, they get to ask the next one. So here goes. Before the centre square, the VFL used a centre diamond. Name the teams to have won a premiership in the diamond era. - Bricks J. Winzer 10:01, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

One thing for sure, this question hasn't been asked, and it'a a bloody hard one. I've just spent the past hour researching and couldn't find anything, so here's my guess. The diamond lasted for short period in the mid 70s when North and Hawthorn were waxing premierships, so I'll say North Melbourne and Hawthorn were the only ones to win a premiership during the diamond era. πίππύ δ'Ω∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 12:51, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

According to my research it was introduced in 73 and changed to a square in 1975, so Rich and Rich. The-Pope 15:07, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

It's been about 4 days since these answers were put up - I suggest that if we reach 5 days, we should offer it to Mr Pope to continue the quiz (failing that, as usual, I have a million questions I can ask on the doggies!). We may need to tread warily as Mr Pope may currently be in a state of delirium at the prospect of Freo not only nabbing a top four spot, but maybe even meeting West Coast in the first week of the finals. πίππύ δ'Ω∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 01:47, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

It could be even scarier Freo and WC could be meeting in the last week of the finals. Gnangarra 02:37, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

I sent a friendly message to the Bricks chap about this Quiz yesterday so if he's not responding soon then the infallible Pope or someone else can ask the next question. I, of course have plenty more questions related to Port Adelaide beating more fancied opponents. Indeed, this past weekend gave me another possible question. --Roisterer 04:04, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey, I already know our record against Port is abysmal! And I was at Princess Park in 1997 (it was Rd 12 from memory), in their first ever meeting when the doggies lead 8 goals to 1 at quarter time, and yet managed to lose the game - so I welcome any question on that one! Re WCE v Freo - meeting in the first week of the finals and in the last is a distinct possibility, afterall, they have both beaten the Crows in Adelaide this year (and that is where one or the other would end up for the other prelim, all else being equal). πίππύ δ'Ω∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 04:40, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

I was also at that Port v Bulldogs game in 1997. I arrived at quarter time, saw the scores, thought "Christ, what a shocking afternoon I have in store", then watched Port kick 12 of the next 14 goals, including 4 goals by that champ Nigel Fiegert. First win by Port in the AFL that I saw in the flesh. --Roisterer 10:42, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

My apologies for not being around recently. My actual computer's fritzed, my new comp is on order, and I've not been on much as a result. The Pope is correct - Richmond's back to back flags in the 1970s made them the only team to win during the centre diamond era. - Bricks J. Winzer 08:18, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Q62

I'll claim it... if I'm wrong then so is the AFL. Who and in what number has kicked the most goals in a single guernsey number (hint: it isn't Lockett - he only kicked 1005 goals in #4). For bonus points, at the other end of the scale, which player and number (between 1 and 44) has got the lowest "most goals by a single player in a number" The-Pope 16:38, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't know, but I'll help out:

Coventry kicked 1299 for Collingwood

Dunstall kicked 1254 for Hawthorn

Doug Wade kicked 1057, but they were 834 for Geelong and 223 for the Kangaroos, and chances are he didn't have the same number at both clubs.

Ablett kicked 1030, of which 9 were for Hawthown and 1021 were for Geelong.

No other player has kicked more than Lockett's 1005 in #4, so the answer must be one of these four players. Snottygobble 00:01, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

I reckon Dunstall played in the same number his whole career (but I can't remember what it was) - not sure about Coventry - so I would reduce it to one of those two players. I reckon number 13 has kicked the least goals (although Giansiracusa is doing a good job rectifying that). πίππύ δ'Ω∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 01:50, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

I would say Dunstall kicked the most in a single guernsey, #19. Coventry was possibly playing during an era at Collingwood where the captain always wore #1 and the remainder of the players were allocated numbers by alphabetical order, so he would have often had a single-digit number but it would have fluctuated. (Ray Shaw was the first Collingwood captain to break the captain-as-#1 trend.) Lowest "Most goals in a given number"? I'll go out on a limb here (as it's not the actual question) and say Anthony Koutoufides in #43. Well, I would have said Dean Notting in #58 but you did say between 1 and 44 :) - Bricks J. Winzer 08:23, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Good to see you back Bricks - after a few days we were all getting a bit toey! Your reasoning looks sound for number with the most goals. I now understand that I initially misunderstood the second part of the question. Pope is not after the number that has scored the least goals ever, but rather the wearer of a particular number that is the lowest amongst the all time "most goals by a single player in a number" - sorry I am a bit thick - so I will concur with Bricks and say Dunstall in no. 19 for the first one, and give Adam Yze in number 13 for the second part. πίππύ δ'Ω∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 23:16, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Jason Dunstall is correct, but the other end isn't... Dick Lee kicked over 400 for Coll from 1914-1922 the #13 jumper. And Kouta doesn't even hold the Carlton record! (David McKay is about 60 ahead of him). Clue... He only kicked 101 goals in this number, but I reckon he'll hold the record for quite a few more years... no current player in this number looks like getting close! And Pippi, I've got that stat for Freo (not on me at the moment), but I doubt even Col Hutcherson would know which jumper number has kicked the most/least goals in the entire AFL/VFL! The-Pope 12:20, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Matt Rendell - but I don't know his number. πίππύ δ'Ω∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 13:19, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Nope, right team though... The-Pope 14:56, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Garry Wilson in no. 29. πίππύ δ'Ω∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 00:11, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

strike two... higher number than 29... The-Pope 12:13, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Shaun Rehn in #52. - Bricks J. Winzer 12:48, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

52 is not between 1 and 44, but I thought this was for bonus points only, anyway? JPD (talk) 13:00, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

OK lets end it... Bricks was the first to name Dunstall and his number, so he wins. If you were a promising full forward and wanted to get into the AFL record books quickly... I'd be pushing to get #38. Only 102 goals would usurp Leon Harris' position as the highest goal scoring #38 ever! The-Pope 23:42, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Fair call - now tell us where you're getting these bloody stats from! Shouldn't you be hoarse from singing heave ho a little too much?! πίππύ δ'Ω∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 23:51, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

1. 38... gosh I can't think of any notable #38s anywhere that I've seen. Lance Franklin could have made it his own but he moved to a lower number. New question coming very soon, folks. - Bricks J. Winzer 08:20, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Q63

OK - not sure how obvious this is, but I'll throw it out here anyway. It's well known that Roger Merrett holds the record for the most reserves games played before a senior debut, with 78. But another fairly high profile former player is second on the list AFAIK. Who is this player? - Bricks J. Winzer 09:47, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

I'll have a crack at Libba. πίππύ δ'Ω∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 10:39, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Didn't Michael Tuck play almost 50 reserves games? I'll guess him. (and I got the last question from the deep dark pages of the AFL 2005 book) The-Pope 11:31, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Garry O'Donnell also played a fair few. --Roisterer 13:23, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

All three responses so far: insert sound from Family Feud. Hint at this point: if Tucky played 50 reserves games before senior debut, the player in question played more than that. - Bricks J. Winzer 03:23, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

I think we need another hint... I'll guess Paul Dimattina for some unknown reason.The-Pope 15:15, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Another miss. Next hint: this player went on to win a Brownlow medal. - Bricks J. Winzer 01:39, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

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Micheal Voss Gnangarra 03:40, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Greg Williams πίππύ δ'Ω∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 04:12, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

No, not even close... also remembering that since Voss' debut, Brisbane's reserves team was phased out as the Bears and now Lions list was integrated into the QAFL. I won't give another hint just yet, will see if others guess it. - Bricks J. Winzer 06:49, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Robert Dipierdomenico πίππύ δ'Ω∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 07:12, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Score! Dipper played 75 reserves games before debuting in the Hawthorn seniors. My source on this? Paddy Steinfort, the ex-Richmond player who was on the senior list for 5 years (1997-2001) and never got picked... Which in itself is an AFL Record! We'd asked him at the end of the 2000 season how many games it had been in the twos (56 at the time) and he knew who was ahead of him on the list. - Bricks J. Winzer 11:07, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Q64

Well, one week later, and you have to put up with another one of my little stories. In 1978 three 17 year old boys from Braybrook debuted with Footscray within a few weeks of each other. I would like to say that they debuted in the same game, but I don't think that happened, but certainly, they all found themselves in the seniors within a short space of time. One became a club legend and needs no introduction. Another was delisted during Royce Harts first stint at pre-season training when he failed to run a certain distance in the required time. He went on to play with another two clubs, being a surprise winner of the Brownlow in one year. The 3rd went on to play over 100 serviceable games with the doggies and was part of the finals campaign of 1985. His name came up recently in one of the year's biggest footy controversies - he was not involved directly, but publicly announced how he was to rectify this particular problem. I also happen to know that this one attended St John's College in Braybrook. Who are these three former Braybrook footballers? πίππύ δ'Ω∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 23:22, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm growing quite concerned about just how much I appear to know about the Bulldogs. Our dear old Dougie (watch that left hook, he's from Braybrook) needs no introduction. Brian Wilson shouldn't either, as he's a Bronwlow Medallist. And as for Robert Groenewegan, between mid-Pacific in flight incidents and his Sirengate connection, the less said the better. --Roisterer 14:51, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

I got Dougie and Wilson (and got beaten by an edit conflict!), but didn't get Groenewegan... partially because the AFL thinks he only played 79 games, not 100. I would have guessed Mick Egan, but have no idea if he came from Braybrook. The-Pope 14:57, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

I didn't think Groenewegan played 100 games either but IK knew he was from Braybrook, so that was good enough for me. --Roisterer 16:16, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Well done guys!! I'll give it to Roisterer - you must know by now that I never double check my facts! Did Groeno play 10 games? No. Pope's correct, he only played 79 games - sorry about that! I simply guessed that after around 9 seasons he must have been pretty close to 100 games - to me, thinking back, it seemed like he had been around forever! Often, when it comes to our beloved game, the exact facts are less important than the general impression/perception/memory one has. Would we be as interested in the game if we followed the facts alone, like one premiership in 80 seasons? After last night's game, that is not going to improve in the next 5 weeks (indeed, we might be lucky to play beyond next weekend).  :-( πίππύ δ'Ω∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 23:53, 25 August 2006 (UTC) ps to Roisterer and Pope, admit it both of you, you love your own local teams, but when it comes to supporting, dare we say it, a Vic team - then it's the doggies all the way!

I'm not sure about that. My preference for Victorian teams dates back to the 70s and depends on which players Port recruited from them. As best as I can recall, Footscray supplied us with Stephen Knights (a couple of good seasons at Alberton) while St Kilda provided Grave Danger, so the Saints tend to win on points. Of course, had Chris Grant not been persuaded by the most famous 20c piece in Australian football history, then the Bulldogs would be No. 1 (and Grant would be a premiership player). --Roisterer 01:11, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

No Footscray champ has ever left Footscray and played in a premiership for another club. Monty won one with Port, but while he was quite good with the bullies (and I didn't want to see him go), he was even better with Port. Josh Mahoney was a discard from two Vic clubs before he ended up at Port after a year with the VFA. Shane Ellen is barely remembered as having ever played at Footscray, as is Matt Hogg, i.e. Footscray champs never win premierships with other clubs (but bit players often do). So it is possible that had Chris Grant gone to Port... πίππύ δ'Ω∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 10:43, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Q65

I went to a high school in the western suburbs of Adelaide and was a half back flanker for the school team. Our star player was David Niemann. Nemo made his SANFL debut for West Torrens Football Club at age 16 (while still at high school) and was later part of the Crows training squad and subsequently drafted by St Kilda but never played AFL football. Michael Dibiase was also in our school team. He later spent a year on the Crows list without cracking a game. This question isn't about them though. Also on our team was a skinny bloke who played in the back pocket and never stood out. He then moved to another state, had a growth spurt and played over 150 AFL games with two AFL clubs (neither of which are based in South Australia), was an All-Australian and has a Premiership medallion for his efforts. Who was he? --Roisterer 01:05, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

is that over 150 games in total, or over 150 games for each of club, being over 300 AFL games in total? πίππύ δ'Ω∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 10:45, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Peter Wilson πίππύ δ'Ω∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 11:14, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

It's 150 games all up, and no, it's not Peter Wilson. --Roisterer 14:49, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Sean Denham πίππύ δ'Ω∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 01:50, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Not Sean Denham either. To recap the clues, this player was born early to mid 70s, therefore made his debut in the early 90s for a club based in either WA, QLD, NSW or Vic, played in a premiership for them and won All-Australian selection, before moving to a team based in a different state again, where he played a couple of injury wrecked years before retiring a couple of years ago. As mentioned, he had a growth spurt which led to him being a key position player. --Roisterer 05:30, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Ben Allan πίππύ δ'Ω∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 06:20, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Um, Mitchell White? Snottygobble 06:24, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Mitchell's the man. Just for the record, in addition to White, Niemann & Dibiase, Shane George, the Australia A fast bowler, was a year above me, Olympic rower Carmen Klomp a year or two below and this woman three years below me (although she didn't look like this at school). --Roisterer 11:01, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

no wonder your grades were so poor at school! πίππύ δ'Ω∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 02:51, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Q66

Who am I? A "spare parts" player for the Saints, I played every position except full-back. I was at half-back in the second semi-final of '66 when Des Tuddenham kicked seven goals on me. I had the last laugh though; I was ruck-rover in the grand final, and we won. Snottygobble 11:34, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Daryl Griffith. πίππύ δ'Ω∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 22:04, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Correct. Snottygobble 23:50, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Q67

Following on from Bricks' questions re reserves games played - while researching Roisterer's excellent question (I am still kicking myself that I overlooked White) I happened to stumble across something about one of Essendon's favourite sons, who played 61 reserves games before his senior debut. He played in at least one premiership side during Sheedy's reign - who is that player? πίππύ δ'Ω∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 02:44, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

STOP PRESS - the wikipedia article says "nearly 50 reserves games" - so I am not sure who is correct, but I am confident he would be the only premiership player to have played over 45 reserves games before debuting during the Sheedy era - let's see how we go. πίππύ δ'Ω∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 02:49, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Gary O'Donnell The-Pope 13:03, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Correct! πίππύ δ'Ω∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 22:33, 29 August 2006 (UTC) ps it only just occurred to me that quoting large slabs of wikipedia is not a very smart thing to do.

I didn't need to use that... he was named in the previous "lots of games in the magoos" question... so I thought of him first.

You're right! Goes to show how much attention I am paying. But the fact remains, one should not underestimate our very own search facility! πίππύ δ'Ω∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 06:47, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Q68

Following on from my goals in jumper numbers question, I'll stick with goal kicking records. Not surprisingly Matthew Lloyd has kicked the most goals in the 2000s (ie from 2000 until 2006). Who is second on the list? For bonus points and to keep us busy filling in List of leading AFL/VFL goalkickers by decade, who's the leading 2-3 in each other decade... is it Lockett, Ablett or Dunstall for the 90s? And I know who's the leading one in the 80s... a surprising name The-Pope 08:17, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Pope - no doubt you know that I too know who it is in the 80s - but is this now a three point question? If so, I might hold back my ammo until I've worked out the other two! πίππύ δ'Ω∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 06:49, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, what's up with the multi-point questions anyway... well, I'm going to say David Neitz is the second-highest goal scorer for the 2000s. I just think he's scored more goals than Fraser Gehrig. For the other decades it would have to be Tony Lockett in the 1990s as he was least injured (heck Ablett didn't play the last 4 years of the decade) and Bernie Quinlan for the 1980s. - Bricks J. Winzer 08:23, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

1. Alistair Lynch 2. Tony Lockett 3. Simon Beasley πίππύ δ'Ω∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 09:47, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Naming the 2nd best goalscorer of the 2000s is the question... and no one has named him yet. Simon Beasley is the surprising 1980s leader... and Lockett kicked 902 goals in the 90s, so only 6 others kicked more than that in their careers. The-Pope 14:38, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

1. Brendan Fevola 2& 3 as above. πίππύ δ'Ω∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 22:02, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, if it's not Neitz then I'll have to go with another strong goal scorer. Matthew Richardson. - Bricks J. Winzer 09:39, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Anthony Rocca Fraser Gehrig Gnangarra 10:11, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

nope, nope, nope and nope. Aint Fev, Richo, Rocca or Gehrig. But those guys names do fill spots in top 6 or 7 (except for A Rocca - he's way down the list, not even top 10.) The correct answer guy also has a premiership medal. The 2000s top 5 are Lloyd 522, ???, Neitz 378, Un-named so far 353, Gehrig 353. The top 5 in the 90s are Lockett 902, Dunstall 777, Ablett 619, Carey 567 and Modra 511. For the 80s it is Beasley 575, Brian Taylor 518, Quinlan 511, Roach 508 & Dunstall 477. 70s was McKenna 624, Matthews 542, Templeton 455, Moncrieff 441, Hudson 425. Source (this is wiki!) is the AFL 2005 book list of all >400 goal kickers by year and the RL AFL Tables stats site into an excel spreadsheet... so I may have mistyped (but I did check it a bit!) I may have made an error, but I doubt.

I think Barry Hall has kicked 421 goals from Round 1 2000 to Round 22 2006. I may well have made an error though. --Roisterer 17:34, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

He must be the one - how did we forget him? πίππύ δ'Ω∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 22:25, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Didn't forget, just desperately didn't want it to be him :P In which case, I'm going to name Warren Treadrea :D - Bricks J. Winzer 08:23, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Since everybody got a run better add Chris Tarrant and Saverio Rocca :) Gnangarra 09:56, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Barry Hall is correct! Tredrea is equal 4th with Gehrig. Roisterer gets the points. The-Pope 14:55, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Q69

Which former AFL player shares his name with a 1970s British sitcom character? --Roisterer 15:23, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Michael Stevens πίππύ δ'Ω∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 06:19, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

The confident way you wrote that made me think there was more than one answer to this question but a perusal of the Internet Movie Database shows that there were no 70s British sitcome characters named Michael Stevens. As a clue, this question is not Port Adelaide related. --Roisterer 14:49, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

If he' not the one, fair enough, but you did say sitcom character rather than movie actor - Michael Stevens was in Yes Minister, amongst others. Having said all that - I admit that I focussed on Port (naturally!) and when I stumbled on a name that fitted the bill - well - I couldn't contain my excitement! I'm not sure if one could glean to much from the manner in which I wrote down his name - I didn't embellish it in any way, I simply wrote the name down! πίππύ δ'Ω∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 00:41, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Can you give us a hint of some sort... not about the show but perhaps about the club/era the player is from. - Bricks J. Winzer 01:17, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Firstly, one can use the Movie Database to look up character names of tv and movie characters. For example, I note that there was a character called Michael Stevens in the 1980s series "Hunter". As for the clues, I have already mentioned that he was an AFL player, giving you some sort of time line. He was a ruckman who turned out for two clubs and I was in the same side as his brother at university. And the actor who played the character of the same name starred in a string of sitcoms in the 70s and 80s. --Roisterer 02:11, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, it seems no one is having much luck with the question so I'll add that he (the footballer, not the sitcom character) played for two Melbourne based sides, the second of which is a finallist this year (although they may not be anymore after Friday night). --Roisterer 15:26, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Darren Bennett πίππύ δ'Ω∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 01:07, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Didn't Darren Bennett play for the West Coast Eagles, which is not, the last time I checked, a Melbourne based side? To basically give the answer away, the player in question was not born in Australia. --Roisterer 03:45, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Stynes but that was Dr who not comedy, Didnt Bennet play for Melbourne, he only played for one Gnangarra 05:52, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Lawrence Bingham: 3 games for Hawthorn in 89-90, 22 for Saints in 92-93 and 10 episodes of Doctor at Large in 1971. Richard O'Sullivan played him before going on to fame (?) as Robin in Man About the House. Tough one, the playing tonight and ruckman narrowed it down, but having played for the Hawks prior to the online RL site stats made the two team thing tough. Doug Bailey and Brett Cook were the other most likely Pommy sitcom names... more than Monkhurst or Capuano! The-Pope 16:18, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Brilliant! The Pope remains infallible. I played football with Laurie's brother John Bingham at university. John was a ruckman who had played for Hawthorn reserves. Also in our university team was Michael "Flash" Graham, the former Sturt player who was a runner-up in the Magarey (he was 46 at the time but still pretty useful) and Jason Jones, who had been on Brisbane's list. We didn't lose too many games. --Roisterer 16:47, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Q70

Simple single part question this time... I take the hints! Who was the first player to make his AFL debut for Fremantle at Subiaco Oval? (I can't help myself... bonus point for naming his reasonable well known (in WA at least) wife?) The-Pope 00:23, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Clinton Wolf πίππύ δ'Ω∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 10:57, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

yep... pretty simple given the List of Fremantle Football Club league players that has the debut grounds listed. Wolf is infamous for his tribunal defence "I was too unco to miss him" and being married to actress Ningali Lawford, who was in Rabbit-Proof Fence (film) and the local water corporation adverts about saving water. your turn Pip... when you finish celebrating your win. Just remember... it was only Collingwood! The-Pope 14:59, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes, you caught me out on both counts, given that this quiz occurs in Wikipedia, formulating a question that is neither too easy or downright impossible is a tricky feat. I've just watched the highlights on Fox Footy for the 2nd time in 12 hours - I'm home looking after a sick child this morning - with a bit of luck, they might replay the whole game again! Hey - we'll take any finals victory! Which gives me a great question...

It was on again, but I missed the first three quarters while going to the doctor - I caught the whole of the last quarter, when Collingwood managed to kick a few junk goals. Just when Freo was threatening to be everyone's favourite 2nd team - the scraggers are back! πίππύ δ'Ω∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 04:55, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Q71

What has been the bullies' finals record since Footscray's loss to Hawthorn in the 1961 grand final, including that game? I haven't got the answer on hand, but I promise you I can remember every single game won and lost (mostly lost) - except for the 1961 one. πίππύ δ'Ω∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 22:44, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

1961 Grand Final - defeated by Hawthorn

1974 Elimination Final - defeated by Collingwood

1976 Elimination Final - defeated by Geelong

1985 Qualifying Final - defeated by Hawthorn

1985 Semi Final - defeated North Melbourne

1985 Preliminary Final - defeated by Hawthorn

1992 Qualifying Final - defeated by Geelong

1992 Semi Final - defeated St Kilda

1992 Preliminary Final - defeated by Geelong

1994 Qualifying Final - defeated by Geelong

1994 Semi Final - defeated by Melbourne

1995 Qualifying Final - defeated by Geelong

1997 Qualifying Final - defeated Sydney

1997 Preliminary Final - defeated by Adelaide

1998 Qualifying Final - defeated West Coast

1998 Preliminary Final - defeated by Adelaide

1999 Qualifying Final - defeated by West Coast

1999 Semi Final - defeated by Brisbane

2000 Elimination Final - defeated by Brisbane

2006 Elimination Final - defeated Collingwood

So after Saturday night it will be 5 wins, 16 losses, 0 draws. ;-)

Snottygobble 00:56, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Drew - I can't fault your detailed answer - each sad occasion is there, intermingled with an exceedingly small ray of happiness - over to you! πίππύ δ'Ω∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 04:52, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Q72

Who am I? Shame on you if my name makes you think of a B-grade pop starlet! I was an ornament to the game: a two-time premiership captain and a coach of five different VFL teams. Snottygobble 06:58, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Dan Minogue. Took me a while, but when I found it it became clear... I guess I should be so lucky! The-Pope 14:56, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Well done. Dannii has a long and well written article, and Dan is still a redlink. How sad.

Over to you. Snottygobble 23:54, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

For a split second I thought that Soapy Vallance might have been it due to the presence of Holly Vallance but I was barking up the wrong B-Grade pop starlet tree. --Roisterer 05:47, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Q73

Which player has played the most games with a single coach (I'm not ruling out player who have played under multiple coaches, but just want the most games with just one of them). The-Pope 13:56, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Got to be someone at Essendon. I'll say Simon Madden. - Bricks J. Winzer 14:56, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Micheal Tuck Gnangarra 00:25, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Gordon Coventry would have to come pretty close at 306 games with Jock McHale πίππύ δ'Ω∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 00:36, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Mmmm didn't occur to me that the coach would be Jock McHale. I think you might have it. As for Tuck, he'd have gone through several - Kennedy, Jeans, Joyce to name a few. Ditto with Kevin Bartlett: Hafey, Jewell and Francis Bourke all come straight to mind. - Bricks J. Winzer 13:48, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Coventry is correct. I wasn't sure when I asked the question... also thought it would someone under Sheedy, but Coventry played 305, not 306, games under McHale... and 1 under Bob Rush in 1930. No idea why Rush coached 1 game that year. I went through the list from Tuck down and ruled each one out... Tuck about 200 with Kennedy, KB about 233 with Hafey, Madden 247 with Sheeds, Bradley 235 with Parkin, Quinlan no more than just over 100 with Walls, Blakey 224 with Pagan, Doull only 120 with Parkin, Roos, Dougie and Harvs not many with anyone! Dick Reynolds is an interesting one... I think about 245 as captain coach! For Sheeds players, Watson about 227, Fletcher the leading current player with 256. Breen about 258 with Jeans about the only other player I could find above 250. The-Pope 15:08, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Q74

Who am I? I was a rover with the shinboners, playing 220 games and kicking 331 goals. I debuted as a 17 year old while attending nearby University High School. I also represented Victoria at Sheffield cricket. πίππύ δ'Ω∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 12:19, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Aylett, Allen Kang 1952-64 220 games for 311, nearest fit to the stats source is here . but he's not on this list and nobody mentioned on the list has stats that resemble these. Gnangarra 12:50, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Bright, Terry played 219 games for Geelong and is the only person according to AFL records to have scored 331 goals either combined across multiple clubs or for one club Gnangarra 12:55, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Aylett is it - sorry I mistyped the goals!! The Encyclopedia of AFL footballers says he played Sheffield cricket for Victoria - but doesn't provide any more detail than that. πίππύ δ'Ω∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 13:03, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Re the list you mention, it looks well short of the likely numbers of footballers that have played Sheffield cricket - I reckon it is probably incomplete. πίππύ δ'Ω∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 13:06, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

It is I added Allen to it after answering this Question Gnangarra

Aylett played 11 matches for Victoria across the 1957-58 and 1958-59 seasons. Playing as a batsman he made 275 runs at 16.17 with a top score of 48, and took two wickets. He also held 5 catches. Source: Cricinfo - Bricks J. Winzer 01:22, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Q75

Grand final 1989 Hawthorn added another trophy to the cabinet. Geelongs David Cameron recieved a 3 match suspension for striking, but Hawthorn was not to be out done at the tribunal either one of their players recieved a 5 match suspension who was it? Gnangarra 13:51, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Dipper comes to mind - sorry it took so long! πίππύ δ'Ω∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 12:23, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Dipper it was, I begining to think I'll have to find some more clues, but then again no football in Melbourne during September must be kinda heart breaking :( Gnangarra 14:34, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm slowly coming to grips with our abysmal performance on Saturday night - it might take me a while to think of a question :-( πίππύ δ'Ω∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 00:35, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

"Abysmal"? Well, the final quarter was about as one-sided as I've ever seen in a game of footy, but I thought the first three quarters featured outstanding high-pressure footy from both sides. If I were you I'd be pretty excited about next year. Snottygobble 01:13, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes, the perennial hope of all footy fans...re the bullies, the final statistics tell a sorry tale, but you're right that the final quarter made it all seem like a far worse nightmare than it may have been (very hard for me to look at it objectively) - if Freo wins through to the Grand Final, how will we bear to have the Pope amongst us - now, for a question... πίππύ δ'Ω∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 01:43, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Don't worry, it's not going to happen. ;-) JPD (talk) 08:50, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

On face value, you would expect a western derby grand final once every 16/2*15/1 = 120 years. So I've only got a 50ish percent chance of seeing one in my lifetime. For that reason alone, I hope they both get through. Snottygobble 11:31, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

So Eagles fans have only got to wait 119 years before WC gets another chance to play Sydney in the Grand Final. therefore statistically if Sydney wins friday put your money on Adelaide for saturdays game. Gnangarra 11:57, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, but the law of averages works by swamping, not compensation. I'll stick with West Coast. Snottygobble 05:18, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Q76

Who was the Bulldogs' high performance manager in 2006? (by the way, I'm not pointing fingers) πίππύ δ'Ω∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 03:25, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Matthew Drain. Snottygobble 03:27, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations - you have just equalled the record! (much to my surprise). πίππύ δ'Ω∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 03:46, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Q77

Since Souths moved to Sydney, how many finals series have been played out between Victoria-based teams only? Snottygobble 04:54, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

If you mean finals games played between non-Vics up to this moment, I counted 17 - and they occurred in these finals series: 98, 01, 02, 03, 04, 05, 06 - that's 7 finals series in total. πίππύ δ'Ω∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 06:56, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

No I meant, in how many years did no non-Victorian team make the finals? Snottygobble 07:16, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Everyone since 1986 so thats 11 including 2006 Gnangarra

I assume you've answered in reverse i.e. these are the years when at least one non-Victorian team made the finals? If so, then you're very close... but not close enough. Snottygobble 07:26, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

None. 1989 was probably the closest to it happening when Sydney finished 7th. [1] -- I@n 07:54, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

didn't even notice I couldnt add up '83 '84 '85 so its 3 Gnangarra 08:04, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Bugger! For some reason I was counting from 1986 and not 1982. -- I@n 08:11, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

'82 as well so its 4 Gnangarra 08:18, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Five. In 1989, 7th wasn't good enough to make the finals! JPD (talk) 08:50, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Well done JPD for remembering that we haven't always had a final 8 finals system. Five is correct: 82, 83, 84, 85, and 89. These were all under a final 5 system. Snottygobble 11:24, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Since 1990, non-Victorian teams have finished as high as 3rd, 2nd, 1st, 3rd, 1st, 6th, 2nd, 1st, 1st, 4th, 5th, 1st, 1st, 1st, 1st, 1st and... 1st, perhaps shortening the odds on Snottygobble seeing a Western Derby GF some year, even though the Dockers will lose on Friday. JPD (talk) 12:13, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

I better learn to read English! πίππύ δ'Ω∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 13:43, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Q78

Who am I? A good-to-watch, quick, small player, I wore number 1 in a team that struggled, but only played 61 games before my career was cut short as the result of an injury. JPD (talk) 12:13, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Sydney's Jamie Lawson. Sadly broke his leg, had a metal plate inserted, infection set in and the poor bugger still can't walk properly. --Roisterer 13:05, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

That's the one. It was a great shame. JPD (talk) 13:21, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Q79

Sorry chaps, I thought I had already posted something. Anyway, when Port attempted to enter the AFL in 1990, 13 of the then 14 clubs voted against its entry. Which was the only club to recognise that Port was the better choice as a South Australian based team than the soulless, tradition lacking amalgamate that became known as the Crows? --Roisterer 13:11, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

lets guess them other other Magpies Gnangarra 14:07, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Might be semantics, but the books I have (primarily Linnell, G. (1995). Football Ltd. The inside story of the AFL - a great insight to the workings of the VFL/AFL in the 80s/90s) say that the 13:1 vote was for the SANFL/Crows bid, rather than just against the Port bid. Doesn't say who was the 1 though! I'll guess that it was the Lions. I read that the Pies and Footscray led the fight against Port, so I doubt it was them. The WAFL backed WCE would go for the SANFL bid (also would help head of any ideas that East or South Freo might get to go it alone), so I'd rule them out. Bris and Syd probably did whatever everyone else did. Carl, Ess and Rich probably wanted the status quo. Can't think of any + or - for the other teams. The-Pope 15:18, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Not Collingwood, who, as The-Pope mentions, led the charge against Port entering the competition, or Fitzroy. Only 12 other possibilites now. --Roisterer 17:17, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

North has always been a bit radical - I'll go North Melbourne! πίππύ δ'Ω∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 23:07, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Nope, the Kangaroos went the soulless route. --Roisterer 13:23, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Geelong Gnangarra 14:38, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

St Kilda has always been the club of artists, poets, bohemians and nut cases. πίππύ δ'Ω∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 21:16, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Could be Carlton they would have voted the other way purely to be different from Collingwood Gnangarra 23:32, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Not Geelong, St Kilda or Carlton either. Leaving us with only 8 possibilities. --Roisterer 03:10, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Melbourne πίππύ δ'Ω∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 04:34, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Hawthorn Gnangarra 05:43, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Essendon for mine. If only cos Sheedy's always been pro-Victorian. Bricks J. Winzer 06:03, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

No to the lot of them. And then there were 5 (possibilities left). In alphabetical order, they are; Brisbane, Carlton, Collingwood, Essendon, Fitzroy, Footscray, Geelong, Hawthorn, Melbourne, North Melbourne, Richmond, St Kilda, Sydney and West Coast. --Roisterer 12:59, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

<-- move back some

Richmond Gnangarra 13:04, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Brisbane Bears πίππύ δ'Ω∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 13:07, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm not convinced that Sydney did what everyone else did... JPD (talk) 13:12, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

'Twas Richmond. I'm not actually sure why but I'll see what I can dig up. Anyway, Gnangarra is the man. --Roisterer 13:25, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Q80

The All Australian team concept was pioneered by Sporting Life Magazine when they selected a squad in October of what year? Gnangarra 14:32, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

1947 I do believe. The-Pope 15:29, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

A bit sad that we don't have an article on the inaugural All-Australian Captain-Coach. --Roisterer 13:27, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

yes to both Gnangarra 16:29, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

It appears that The Pope has gone on Mad Monday with the Freo players. If we don't hear from him soon, we may need to invoke some sort of rule allowing someone else to post a question. --Roisterer 00:47, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

I've already written to him, telling him to pull himself together and get on with life. I thought about telling him that it took the scraggers 30 years to win their first (and only) premiership, but I'm not sure if that would have helped. How is this for a rule - no question 4 days after confirmation - it's a free for all. That would make it 4:30 pm today EST. πίππύ δ'Ω∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 01:47, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Rule 3 above says that after 24 hours the asker may ask a new question. Perhaps we should invite Gnangarra to pose a new question. Snottygobble 01:53, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

right you are - I didn't realise we had rules! One gap in our rules is where the poser of the question doesn't come back to say yes or no - should we allow 48 hours after the first response? whereby anyone who reckons they know can confirm whether someone did get it right - and then the one confirmed as right can proceed to ask a question. Of course there is a problem if the only person who reckons he knows happens to be the only person who has bothered answering, hmmm.... πίππύ δ'Ω∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 03:19, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

I assume I@n filched the rules from Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Quiz. Perhaps we should ask the MCC for a ruling. ;-) But seriously, folks, let's not the rules too seriously. Snottygobble 03:33, 26 September 2006 (UTC)