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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted 16:08, 30 July 2007.

Lupin III

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self-nomination. In the past month, I worked significantly to improve the article. The article underwent a major overhaul and numerous edits to improve clarity, style and tone, include inline citations, remove unnecessary material, and improve the structure and overall quality of the article. III&diff=135742470&oldid=135689712 this is how the article looked on June 4, 2007 if you would like to compare the changes the article underwent over a period of four weeks. When I worked on improving the article, I kept the four criteria of featured articles in mind, so I hope the end product embodies the criteria of featured articles --AutoGyro 05:21, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Both the group picture and the individual character pictures say that their fair-use rationale is to "identify the characters." In the spirit of minimal use, it would probably be best if we could narrow those down somewhat. (ESkog)(Talk) 05:34, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • I changed the main image to the international Lupin III logo that TMS provides with Lupin the 3rd licenses. Proper fair use summery and copyright license tag were used. --AutoGyro 15:59, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Object I cannot see supporting this article under one major sticking point: the useage of fairuse images on the front page. Already, there has been a very heated debate on a few areas of Wikipedia over the useage of such images on the front page. The lack of an image to me to help illustrate the lead is a complete and utter disrepect to the subject matter. Either let articles have a stab with the fairuse image, or don't nominate it at all. It's not fair when Avatar: the Last Airbender got the OK to use a fairuse image on the front page, when other works like Scooby-Doo were imageless (or in this case, there was a fight over which image to use). Thank god Excel Saga had Nabeshin to save the day. --293.xx.xxx.xx 11:05, 6 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment: While I do respect your opinion, this is not a nomination for front page status, but a nomination for featured article status. Many featured articles on Wikipedia have only fair-use images. Madlax, for example, is a featured article within the anime and manga project that has only fair use images in it. --AutoGyro 13:51, 6 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • Comment: Well, guess my objection can be slightly modified to the point of "Lack of Images." Howabout that? Theirs a lack of images period. It could be helped with say, a cosplay of Lupin III (Nabeshin doesn't count).
        • Comment: I added a few more images. I did add Shinichi Watanabe's image to the article because he is the director of the 1999 television special Fujiko's Unlucky Days, which gives the article a few more images and one image in the public domain. At any rate, while images are a part of Featured article criteria, the criteria do not state whether or not the images cannot all be fair use images, just that if they are, they must include proper tags and fair use rationales! Thanks for your vote and I hope you can contribute to the article and help on with its continued improvement :) --AutoGyro 05:57, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I personally don't like articles about cartoon shows, but if you're going to have them, this is what they should be. BenB4 10:29, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. The article is good, it's definitely good, but I'm not sure if it has what it takes to become featured.
    • It's not stable. AutoGyro may have jumped the gun when he nominate for Featured Status, since he is still tinkering with the article.
    • Too many images. Most of them are decorative, serving no actual purpose. The covers don't belong here, but in the article for the movie they represent. There's no need for separate images of each character, when I know there's images (like this one) that includes the whole cast. And do we really need a photo of Nabeshin?
    • Poor organization. Much of the article is dumped under "Adaptations." But the manga series are the source material for the TV series, films and musical; they don't belong in adaptations. Same with "video games" and "music," "music" is not an adaptation of anything. "Legal issues" is a one-paragraph section. Either expand it or work it into another section.
    • Troubles with the writing. This problem stems from the poor organization. Here's some examples:
      • Following Lupin vs the Clone, which was released on December 16, 1978. The first paragraph of "Animated theatrical features" goes off on a the various titles for the film but no release date is given until the second paragraph (when writing of a different movie)
      • In a tradition that began in 1989 with the television special Bye Bye Liberty Crisis, every summer since then featured a new 90 minute Lupin III television special that would air on NTV at 9:03[40] on Friday evening, usually in the last week of July or the first week of August (Bye-Bye Liberty Crisis and Seven Days Rhapsody diverted from that trend, however). This paragraph, really one sentence, doesn't flow well. It should read of how Bye Bye Liberty Crisis air in 1989, of the specials that follow and how NTV decided to turn the specials into an annual event.
      • Not including The Secret Files, The Secret Files 2 - Sound Collection and Lupin III: Trailers Collection '71 - '95 as they were only compilations of previously produced materials, only two Lupin III features were released as OVAs. If they're not OVA's, why open the section with this info?
      • "English language licensing and release information" opens with "In 2002..." I'm not sure, but does that mean no Lupin reach North America prior to 2002? I honestly don't know but, if there was Lupin before 2002, this is a strange way to start the section.
      • The third and final television series It is the third, but how do we know it's the last one? "And final" it's redundant. And on the Lupin in Space series, isn't "short-lived" used to describe series that actually made it to air but were cancelled shortly after?
    • No reception section. Articles need a reception section. Details on the series popularity, longevity and critical acclaim or dissaproval.

That's some of the points I see need addressing. I was going to bring it up in peer review but it's archived, so I might as well do it here. Again, the article is good, but not so sure it should be featured.--Nohansen 13:26, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    • Comment: Thank you very much for your suggestions! I took many of them and applied them into the article. As for the photo of Nabeshin, I added it because he is the director of Fujiko's Unlucky Days and 293.xx.xxx.xx objected based on the article not having many pictures and no non-fair use images. --AutoGyro 19:27, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted 01:38, 29 September 2007.

Mana (series)

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Article provides a global view of the series (including information about the Japan-exclusive media), is factually accurate, neutral, and very stable. Kariteh 10:40, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • It seems a little odd that the "Games" section is so far down the article. Why is this? --- RockMFR 03:16, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments. Yep, the "Games" section should be one of the earlier/first sections since it's essentially a synthesis article of a video game series. They need to be mentioned in order to set the tone and context of the article. Shrumster 20:47, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Oh, and the lead needs to be bulked up some more. Structurally, it's too short. Content-wise, it could benefit from being expanded. Remember, the lead should be able to stand on its own as a summary of the entire article. Shrumster 20:48, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'll fix the lead as soon as possible (unless someone wants to do it). The "Games" section used to be closer to the top but it was kind of pushed down when the "Audio" and (especially) the "Common elements" sections were added. Should it be placed just before the "Audio" section, or just after it? Kariteh 21:04, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Really? I think the Creation section is best at the first place since it gives the origins and an overview of the games of the series. I moved the Games section just after it for now, but it can still be discussed and changed I guess, if people want. Kariteh 08:51, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've now expanded the lead with information from the article. Kariteh 09:54, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support - I helped argue for the merging of several articles into this one, and after dramatic improvement of this article and debates about all aspects of what it should be called and what should be included, it is ready for FA status. Judgesurreal777 04:26, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comments - The following suggestions were generated by a semi-automatic javascript program, and might not be applicable for the article in question.
 Done all of these points. There is no single image that could represent the entire series and be put on the top right corner of the page though (no common logo, etc.). Kariteh 17:23, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's the logo of the first game's Japanese version; it doesn't represent the whole series, so using it would be purely decorative (=against Fair Use guidelines). Kariteh 21:04, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Anything else? Kariteh 15:36, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Conditional support - please fix or comment upon the following:

  • What is it with the bold links to the elemental spirits? They link to articles on the roman goddess of the moon, some paranormal effect, and an article about garden objects. The usual style of linking per WP:MOS leads the reader to believe that these links would lead to articles on the spirits themselves. Remove the links or change them to articles on the characters. I would even suggest removing this whole list, as it is just some name dropping without out of universe context.
  • Why is "Ring Command" bold?
  • Image:Rabite plush.jpg is a replaceable fair use image. Finding a free license image would also enable this article to feature on the main page.
  • The article needs an image in the lead section.

User:Krator (t c) 17:51, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

 Done - Good point about the elemental spirits; I removed the list and replaced it with a more general sentence saying that their names are homonymous with mythological beings or phenomena. I can't find any free license image of a Rabite plush on the web, but it's not impossible to in theory, so I removed the current plush picture as its fair-use rationale is not justified. Kariteh 10:04, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Object—1a. Here are random examples from the lead suggesting the density of the problems throughout. Please locate another copy-editor. Beautiful artwork, though.
    • Probably a comma after "dropped" would be smoother.
    • Remove the first "also" as misleading. Ask me why if you don't see that. The second "also" is a wart that needs removing.
    • "Various different"?
    • "Linked together"? Not linked apart ...
    • "As of 2007, the Mana series comprises eight console games, two mobile games, in addition to four manga and one novelization." Is there an "and" missing?

That's a lot for just three short paras. It's saveable, so please try. Tony 14:31, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose. Incorrect use of bolding, see WP:MOSBOLD. Please review WP:MOS regarding punctuation on image captions, sentence fragments aren't punctuated. Copyedit issues as mentioned by Tony, for example, I can't figure out what the "long" here is: In 1995, Kikuta released an experimental album of arranged music from the two installments, titled Secret of Mana +, which features a unique track long of 50 minutes. On the plus side, the sourcing looks good (except for the bolding and all caps in footnotes, see WP:MOSCAPS#All caps). SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:02, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by User:SandyGeorgia 03:13, 22 July 2008 [1].

Tokyo Mew Mew

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Nominator(s): -- Collectonian (talk · contribs), G.A.S (talk · contribs)

I'm nominating this article for featured article because I feel it meets all of the criteria for being an FA article. It is well-written, comprehensive, factually accurate, neutral, and stable. It is thoroughly referenced from reliable sources, using a consistent referencing style. It has been peer reviewed and thoroughly copyedited, with all issues from both addressed. It follows both the Wikipedia style guide and the anime and manga MoS. It is of an appropriate length, with both non-free images having a proper FUR. The one not in the infobox is used to illustrate a section where the illustrated topic is explicitly discussed. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 06:53, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Otherwise sources look good, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 13:24, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • What G.A.S. noted. CD Japan is the English language version of one of the largest CD sellers in Japan (sort of like an Amazon). Kalahari is also one. While commercial sites are the preferred option, they are both used to cite the existence of the CDs and DVDs noted in the absence of an official website. As none of the CDs are licensed, and those regional DVDs haven't been reviewed, its the best available source. The Brandnoise site is the official blog of scenarioDNA, a marketing research firm and think tank. So its a company blog by experts in the area of marketing, making it a reliable source I believe. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 14:12, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm going to leave the other comments and replies out for other reviewers to see. Ealdgyth - Talk 13:01, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments—Quite well written. Not opposing, but I have formatting issues.

  • Is there some way of preventing a pile-up of four citation numbers at the end of a sentence, like this? "Critics praised the artwork in both Tokyo Mew Mew and Tokyo Mew Mew a La Mode. Ikumi's "free flowing" style and character designs were seen as a perfect fit for the series.[54][55][56][57]". Can't it be conflated into a single note? And this: " The individual character song discs were released as standalone CDs on September 4, 2002.[34][35][36][37][38]". It's over the top.
  • I've removed overlinking: why DVD should be linked at all is beyond me, but twice in a sentence? MOSLINK says avoid the linking of the names of familiar countries, esp. anglopohone ones.
  • "twenty-seven", but other large numbers are in numerals. nine/10 is MOS's default boundary, I think.
  • The Japanese script is pretty, but just why is it necessary to make the text really difficult to read by inserting large tracts of it inline. Other articles have accepted the need to put intrusive non-roman equivalents in notes: I suggest that this be done here. TONY (talk) 06:19, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • No, the citations can't be combined as they are different citations and all such statements have to be backed up. The one about the critics combines multiple reviews, hence the multiple citations. When they were removed, the statement was questioned, necessitating the need for the multiple citations. I've adjusted the CDs to combined four by using a different page. The Japanese names are included, in part, because the video games were merged in, and, in part, because its more accurate to include it for the titles, the same as we do with the lead. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 06:29, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • As I understand, the Japanese text is required by WP:MOS-JAPAN#Using Japanese in the article body. Is it possible to provide an example of articles where this is provided in the footnotes? G.A.S 06:33, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • According to WP:MOSNUM, "In the body of an article, single-digit whole numbers from zero to nine are spelled out in words...; numbers greater than nine may be rendered in numerals or may be rendered in words if they are expressed in one or two words". Most numbers in the article are in fact spelled out, except for dates. Should we change all of them to numbers or to words? G.A.S 08:40, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • About the dates, at WP:OVERLINK#Dates: In the main text of an article, autoformatting should be used either on none of the month-day and month-day-year dates, or all of them. So you can't have it both ways; either link all the full dates, or none of them. The way I've always done it is to link full dates, but leave mm-yyyy unlinked along with lone years.--十八 01:22, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Until the mass delinking, it was consistent that only full dates were wikified. Apparently the MoS date changed so now they don't want auto formatting at all, hence all the dates being delinked (or at least, that's my understanding of it). Don't get it myself, but at this point I'd just be happy if someone would change one of their comments to support :P -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 01:55, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well, User talk:Juhachi#Date-autoformatting seemed to clear it up for me. Makes no sense why some people would want to change a long-standing convention though...--十八 05:29, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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