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The Dhamba Boys

The Dhamba boys’ is an organization and group consists of male teenaged members. It evolved in Taluksangay, Zamboanga City, Philippines on the last week of March in 2006. The leader and all the certified members decided to call the group as Dhamba boys.

The word ‘dhamba’ is derived from a street slang which means to “eat”. All members as well as the leader are aggressive and active when it comes to eating that’s why the group is called such.

The group provides their own specialized vocabulary and is characterized by inversion of words. Indeed, they obtained it from their own dialect. Each word spoken is commonly inverted and pronounced in its new form retaining the true meaning. For instance, the word “malak” becomes “kalam”. Malak means beautiful.

They usually use this to confuse others, criticize people, casual conversations and the like. There are nineteen certified members in the group (including the leader) with three different dialects namely Yakan, Kalibugan and Tausug.

Posted by: Shane Ibrahim August 08, 2012 Reference: The Dhamba Boys Profile

KINDLY ANSWER SOON

Can you please explain why this article was declined, though all the references are true and the author is also very famous.. Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Singh Rashmi

Rrashmissingh (talk) 10:51, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

As the reviewer's message said, the draft was declined because it is unduly laudatory and reads like an advertisement, not like an encyclopedia article. Take for example this statement: "Coming from the land of Ashoka The Great, Budha and Mahavira, Singh Rashmi, (Rashmi Singh) has set an example for contemporary women by overcoming all odds and making a renowned place for herself in the Literary World and creating a ripple here." Says who? The references for that sentence don't mention Ashoka or Buddha and say nothing about Rashmi Singh setting an example or "making a renowned place". Similarly the sources don't confirm that her novel "has proved to be Critics delight" (I don't think those reviews are published by reliable sources anyway), or that Singh has "mastered her conscience" (what does that even mean?). Or take this statement: "This book has proved to be a Philosophers' stone and taken her to path of glory." The closest our references come to that is a review stating, "This book aims to be the philosopher s stone [...]." Again I doubt that source is reliable, but "aims to be" isn't the same as "has proved to be" anyway, and there's nothing about a "path of glory". In summary, it's a puff piece that either ignores or blatantly twists its supposed sources to present an unabashedly positive image of Singh. It violates our core policies on verifiability and a neutral point of view. Furthermore, if you are yourself Rashmi Singh, as your username suggests, you might want to read our guideline on conflicts of interest. Writing an autobiography is strongly discouraged.

As a minor aside, the article also engages in an absurd amount of overlinking. We can expect our readers to know the meaning of such general terms as "deftly", "contrary" or "highlighted" without the need for a wikilink.

As a further aside about the sources: Some of them are blogs, others are websites aimed at selling Singh's books. Neither of those is considered reliable by Wikipedia's standards. Others are primary sources, such as News.net for the claim that Singh's blog is published by News.net, and yet others, like Patna Women's College, don't mention Singh at all. Huon (talk) 15:17, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. First of all I am not the author myself. I took to this user name, as I have said before so that others working on her should take a break! Secondly, I have recently modified the page with a reference of Economic Times. This link sometimes have to be clicked twice or if the main page of Economic times opens, then hit the 'back' click. the reference then would be easily retrieved. A reference of Hindi newspaper with the author's pic distributing degrees in the capacity of a renowned writer has been also added. Pls feel free to add or delete any section of it.Rrashmissingh (talk) 06:44, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Taming The Restless Mind ).

The references are true and the work is notable and neutral. What do you suggest should be done?

Rrashmissingh (talk) 10:57, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

• I don't think the comments that were left in the review were helpful, and should have said why your article was a problem and how the policies related to it. Anyway, I don't have enough experience with these types of references to know whether they're reliable enough, but I would recommend removing things like "The chapters are gripping" as that's not discussing it from a neutral point of view. Also, you appear to be writing an article about your own book, which is generally a bad idea, as it can lead to a conflict of interest. --Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:14, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

To expand a little: The first four references are, in order, the book's publisher, a blog entry, a press release, and a bookseller. None of those is a reliable source that is independent of the subject. I have doubts about the reliability of the fifth reference, but it doesn't support the statement it's cited for anyway: It doesn't mention "winning tricks", "self-esteem" or "decision making skills". The draft also suffers the same overlinking problems as the draft on the author. Huon (talk) 15:26, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

• To explain myself a little, the user had created multiple articles and I'd left comments on one of them with far greater detail and I assumed that they would read the comments on that one and apply it to the three other articles they were trying to create about the author and her books. (Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Rashmi Singh Author) I just assumed that the user would look at all of the articles they were creating to see what comments were left behind.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 03:37, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Physical Identity and Access Management

Hi,

My age submission on Wikipedia titled ' Physical Identity and Access Management (PIAM)' has been rejected saying: "This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources."

I'd really appreciate if you could help me by letting me know little bit in detail that what extra do I need to provide.

Thanks PIAM Security (talk) 18:36, 14 August 2012 (UTC)PIAM_Security

All Wikipedia content must be verifiable from reliable sources. The draft currently has two sources, one of which is hidden behind a paywall. Large parts are unsourced, including everything but the lead and the history section. And much of the history section's content is not based on the source provided. (It's also not much of a history because it doesn't give a timeline or identify key events in the development of PIAM; it's more of a general background.)

In particular, explicit claims (such as "Most physical security departments today lack the agility and flexibility to address today’s challenges of increasing cost, risk of non-compliance and high risk of theft or fraud.") need a source, and even better, such strong and potentially controversal statements should be attributed to that source ("According to security expert John Doe, most physical security departments today lack..."), backed up with a reference that explicitly confirms that claim.

The best types of sources would be articles in academic journals or newspaper coverage. Huon (talk) 19:50, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Agency Galatea

The article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Agency_Galatea has been denied. What should I change about it for it to be accepted? Thanks

Mariepanderson (talk) 18:51, 14 August 2012 (UTC)Marie Anderson

• None of the article's sources are reliable, secondary, sources with significant coverage of the subject. The references are either primary sources, or they briefly mention Agency Galatea. You need to find newspaper or magazine articles whose subject is the agency, and talk about it in some depth, ideally three paragraphs or more. And you ideally need to find about four or five of them. That will give you enough sources to assert notability. And, as I stated above (I think), it's a bad idea to write about your own agency. Suppose I find a news article that says something negative or insulting about the agency - if it's reliably sourced, I can add it, and Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy means it can stay there. I'm almost certain you don't want that! So think very carefully about whether or not you really want to submit this as an article, and read the links I've put in this reply. --Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:29, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Two additional comments: Firstly, for all I can tell, the draft hasn't been reviewed yet (and thus wasn't declined, though in its current form it probably will be declined), but an article in the mainspace was speedily deleted as an advertisement. Secondly, the reliable sources provided currently do not support the statements they are cited for. For example, the Chicago Tribune article doesn't mention the establishment date nor confirms that the agency "represents both men and women for fashion print and runway". That's not surprising because they simply don't have much to say about Galatea at all, but it means that we cannot base the article on these sources. Huon (talk) 19:58, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

page creation

Hi - I'm trying to create this page: WT:Articles for creation/Cambridge Mercantile Group. I have edited the page to what it should say... Another girl was working on it prior to me so I'm picking it up where she left off. I have saved my edits... now what do I do in order to get it published? Thanks Dcapland (talk) 19:51, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

The article is currently awaiting review; that will take a few days. However, it needs much better references. The two links provided in the article proper are primary sources, the company's own website (one of them gives a 404 error with a rather funny error message, too). Of those in the end that should be added inline (preferably via footnotes), two are press releases (which usually are not reliable by Wikipedia's standards), and the Delaware Office of the State Bank Commissioner document doesn't say much about Cambridge Mercantile Group that would be of use in the article (I couldn't find anything beyond a business address). The Cambridge Exchange looks like another primary source to me. That leaves us with a single reliable secondary source, the Canadian Treasurer. That's probably too little to satisfy our general notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Furthermore, that source doesn't allow our readers to verify much of the draft's current content. Huon (talk) 20:11, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Events in North America in 1754

What Events took place in North America, in 1754. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.235.38.82 (talk) 21:19, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

This page is for questions about the Articles for creation process. Please consider asking this question at the Wikipedia:Reference desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what the Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. You could always try searching Wikipedia for an article related to the topic you want to know more about. I hope this helps. The most important event seems to be the start of the French and Indian War, though. See also 1754 and Category:1754 in North America. Huon (talk) 21:33, 14 August 2012 (UTC)