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March 3

Michael A. Potter

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Michael A. Potter has failed review several times but I think it looks (barely) okay, despite only minor changes to the last decline. I'm inviting the other reviewers who declined to discuss it here before I make a decision to create the article or not. Other reviewers are welcome to give input. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 02:33, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

There are a few minor peacock terms, I.e. "Renowned speaker". ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 04:04, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

I'm not impressed by the draft. I didn't check the offline sources, but the online sources are mostly primary sources, with one piece of Manchester local news and one Ghanaan article that either isn't about Potter at all or consistently misspells him as "Porter". Several sections cite no sources whatsoever. Then there are the style problems. Potter may barely be notable, but this draft isn't ready for the mainspace. Huon (talk) 04:17, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

I declined it in January because it seemed totally self-promotional and had almost no coverage that was independent and reliable. I don't know what a 'globalist' is and there's little evidence he's reknowned. At best he's an expert in human resources, with a couple of self-published books and some articles in a couple of specialist magazines. Sionk (talk) 14:36, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

What they just said. I really found it to be incredibly promotional, almost an apparent attempt to hide notability. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 21:23, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you all for the teamwork. I declined the article citing the consensus of this discussion. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 04:57, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

After the fact but still useful. I looked at the difference from the January decline to when I went in. Typically if a submission already has a few declines, I'll look at the changes that have been made since the last review to see if the user is making an effort go get to acceptance or if they're just playing around. In this case we had some prose change, but no actual improvement from the previous decline. I declined it again citing the way the article read (as a promoptional for the subject). Hasteur (talk) 16:33, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Pitchfork Reference for L.A. Jay

Hi Huon,

Would this feature on 'Bizarre Ride II The Pharcyde" on Pitchfork help prove the notability of L.A. Jay's work at all? Annoyingly it doesn't credit the production to L.A. Jay, but it does talk in depth about the production of "Otha Fish" (which was L.A. Jay's song)and cites it as the Pharcye's greatest song, as well as one of the greatest in "rap history": http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/16595-the-pharcyde-bizarre-ride-ii-the-pharcyde-20th-anniversary-box-set/

"Yet while "Passin'" is the group's canonical classic single, "Otha Fish" is the Pharcyde's best song. Back to back on Bizarre Ride, the two constitute one of the greatest 10-minute stretches in rap history, and it's exactly this sort of artful expression of romantic doubt and anguish that separates them from the 1992 rap class-- hell, from the 2012 rap class. Where Fatlip shone brightly on "Passin'", SlimKid Tre proves to be the Pharcyde's best rapper here, absorbing the spotlight with three fluid verses of splendid remorse. Over the high, lonesome saxophone lick from Herbie Mann's "Today", Tre effortlessly bridges the emotional chasm between Marvin Gaye's "Ain't No Mountain High Enough" ("why ain't you climbin' up?") and Here, My Dear's "When Did You Stop Loving Me, When Did I Stop Loving You?" Kevin Kerslake's video for the track didn't do much to assist the vibe, though its aesthetic similarity to his "Come As You Are" clip got the attention of Alternative Nation (they'd play Lollapalooza in '94). Along with "Passin'", I'm convinced that "Otha Fish" is the key to Kanye West's naming Bizarre Ride his favorite album ever. He's yet to record anything quite as open-hearted and vulnerable about the opposite sex, though."

Thanks for your help!

Alice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlicePS (talk • contribs) 15:08, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

"Otha Fish" may be the greatest song in rap history, but the song's greatness is attributed to the musicians, with a brief mention of Kevin Kerslake's video, not to the producer. A source that doesn't even mention LA Jay cannot contribute to his notability. Huon (talk) 16:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)