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05:47:26, 5 December 2015 review of submission by Ngmeadow

• Ngmeadow (talk · contribs)

I would like to know why the page was declined for creation. I recognize the notability of the card game may not be the level you desire, however it is an original game that I created and the best way to get notability is to have a wikipedia page. The game works well, I play it regularly with friends and they enjoy it very much. Is there no mechanism to create an original page regarding an original game? That seems odd and impractical. Thank you. Ngmeadow (talk) 05:47, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

@Ngmeadow: Hi, and welcome to the Help Desk! In order to meet Wikipedia's encyclopedic standards, subjects must be discussed by third-party sources before they can be included in Wikipedia. That means that original works are unfortunately not suitable for inclusion unless they have been discussed by reliable, independent sources. If your game is covered by such sources in the future, then it may have a chance at acceptance. However, right now it is unfortunately not suitable for inclusion. Thanks, /wia /tlk 05:59, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

Hi Ngmeadow - I'm afraid your understanding of WP:Notability is backwards - "the best way to get notability is to have a wikipedia page" - is exactly the wrong way round. The correct meaning of the notability standard is: "a subject can only be covered by a Wikipedia article after it is already notable". Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:17, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

06:59:58, 5 December 2015 review of submission by Pierrejcd

• Pierrejcd (talk · contribs)
  • User:Pierrejcd/sandbox (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Pierrejcd (talk) 06:59, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

I have NEVER EVER encountered a more contrived and overly complicated system to write something. Is your system's purpose to keep away newcomers. I can assure you that you have met your goal. You are in a dire need of a teacher's hand and mind to simplify matters. I can read. I have a degree in linguistics and in lit., but the abundance of (a) smaller to microscopic life characters and (b) written instruction to actually post an intro on myself (a process that should be pretty easy) are detrimental to your organization success, IMHO. But, what do I know? I only have 25 years of teaching experience in 2 languages and in learning disability with a diploma in the use of tech. in schools. lol Maybe it is a case of trying too hard. This process is way too contrived.

Hi Pierrejcd, information about yourself belongs on your main user page - such text is not submitted to AFC review - we only review article drafts. I've taken the liberty of moving it for you. Your sandbox page is a space where you can experiment with editing and start writing articles for the encyclopedia - you appear to be well qualified to contribute about education, linguistics, French, etc. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:28, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

14:54:16, 5 December 2015 review of submission by PoundPuppy44

• PoundPuppy44 (talk · contribs)

i need more citations for at jesus' side

PoundPuppy44 (talk) 14:54, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

@PoundPuppy44: Please find them and go right ahead and add then to the draft. Fiddle Faddle 14:40, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

18:44:55, 5 December 2015 review of submission by Newcommbiddies

• Newcommbiddies (talk · contribs)

My university has a large number of disabled students so for a class we decided to make a Wiki page for some of the services provided by our campus. Was told that our content is not "notable." Any suggestions? Newcommbiddies (talk) 18:44, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

@Newcommbiddies: Material of that nature is better suited to a campus website than an encyclopedia. Many if not all universities strive to "provide services and an equal learning environment for all students". What yours does in that regard would only be of encyclopedic interest if sources independent of the university published accounts that set the university apart from its peers on this score. There are millions of ways to improve Wikipedia without writing about something to which you have a close connection (even without writing new articles at all). I encourage you to explore those. --Worldbruce (talk) 19:54, 6 December 2015 (UTC)