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Request on 01:36:15, 9 April 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by Kojomo

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I'm a new editor on Wikipedia who is either missing something or not doing something right in my quest to creating this page. I have since the decline, deleted content that are promotional and not properly sourced to my understanding but I would be grateful to any assistance provided as it will help me understand the rules and guidelines of Wikipedia better and further improve my knowledge to edit Wikipedia pages. I am currently stuck at this point and in need of your help. Thank you in advance.

Kojomo (talk) 01:36, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Kojomo: As an example, you can't use wording like "one of Africa’s fastest growing and most dynamic companies" when the source is the founder's words. This is basically advertising for the company/person and not neutral reporting. Anything beyond the most basic facts needs to be sourced from a secondary sources. Expressions like "bagged a bachelor’s degree", "many strides", "lovely daughters" are not encyclopedic. The whole "Education" section is supported by a non-independent source where the content is basically the person's quote and it doesn't support most of the content, for example, where does it say anything about secondary school? You must cite all content for a biography. For example, 2 children -- where is this information from? Even obvious things like birth date -- the attached sources never actually say this. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 12:14, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Hellknowz: Thank you for your recommendations, I have now made the changes and correction as pointed out. Please review. And if I may ask, can this article be made a stub rather than leaving on draftspace while continuing to improve it? Your contribution to this article is highly appreciated! Kojomo (talk) 12:42, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Kojomo: Firstly, you need to support content with secondary sources. This is what the first reason for rejection explains. For example, this is a (poor) interview basically. This is a press release and should not be used to support content about the company (it can at best say what the press release was for, but even then secondary sources are much preferred). This is half from the person themselves, half from a non-independent source and the whole tone of it suggest it's a company media blurb and there was no journalism involved. I didn't look past these sources.
You need to cite everything. Which source support that they were "born 24 October, 1980"? Which source support that they are "also known as Mr Sleeves Up"? Which source support that they are an "investor"?
Making the draft a stub is the same as accepting it. It's fine to improve it, but not to address fundamental issues with sourcing, which is critical for biographies, especially living persons. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 16:23, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Hellknowz: Wow, this is really helpful, I have a better understanding now. Please review to see if the article is now fit for submission. Thank you for your assistance thus far. Kojomo (talk) 17:36, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

05:10:39, 9 April 2020 review of submission by Lucyschneider

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I need to remove copy-right information from the history, but am not sure how. My page submission was declined due to copy-right information, which i have since corrected, but the information is still in the history and this may cause the article to be deleted.

Lucyschneider (talk) 05:10, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Lucyschneider, It appears that the article has already been deleted. My suggestion to you would be to rewrite it, making sure to not copy-paste from any source, and only paraphrasing when adding sources. Furthermore, you shouldn't use the website of a subject to write about it, you should only use reliable secondary sources, i.e. newspapers, books, reputable news sites, that sort of thing. If such coverage does not exist, then we cannot write about the subject. Seeing as that subject has paid you, you ought be prepared for the very real possibility that your subject cannot be written about. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 09:33, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

07:23:06, 9 April 2020 review of submission by 102.65.40.97

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I am requesting a review as the content submitted is informative, based on the history of the company. It provides insight into the development of the business. The article is not aimed to be promotional in any way.

102.65.40.97 (talk) 07:23, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is not for merely providing information. As an encyclopedia, Wikipedia articles summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage say about article subjects that meet Wikipedia's special definition of notability(in this case, the definition of a notable company). Brief mentions or routine announcements are not acceptable for establishing notability. 331dot (talk) 07:37, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

07:40:09, 9 April 2020 review of submission by Saskia Schuldig

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Hi there. I am not an external writer being paid to edit. I am an employee at the company and am trying to add our information onto Wikipedia to provide users more insight to the history of the company. Based on your rejection, you suggest that the company is not notable. Can you please advise, what notability are you referring to as there are a few points under notability? Our company and the board members listed have a large number of coverage across media sites, thus why I cannot understand the point/which point of notability you are referring to.

Please advise, thanks so much Saskia Schuldig (talk) 07:40, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Saskia Schuldig, For starters, as an employee of the company you are in fact being paid by the subject, thus you must declare that by following the steps at WP:PAID.
A link to our policy on notability. In plain English: in order to have a page on Wikipedia, a subject needs to have been written about in reliable independent sources. Generally, for companies, that means having a solid helping of newspaper articles written about it. The company's own websites and statements don't count. If its employees/owners are notable, that doesn't make the company inherently notable.
You should probably read WP:COMPORG, which lays out why its not necessarily a good thing to have a Wikipedia article. Wikipedia is not for promotion, and companies don't have control over articles they create. People can put both good and bad things on your article. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 09:42, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

11:56:33, 9 April 2020 review of submission by Invader2580

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Since my previous draft was rejected I request you to reconsider the request again for the wikipedia page to be created. Thanking You, Yours Sincerely Invader2580

Invader2580 (talk) 11:56, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Invader2580: There is nothing we can do about this draft, because the site/channel are not notable. You have made no changes to the draft since it was rejected, so there's nothing to re-review. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 12:02, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

15:53:01, 9 April 2020 review of submission by CormacORourke19

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CormacORourke19 (talk) 15:53, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]


Healy is the singer of The 1975, a band with multiple platinum records, billboard #1s, etc.

Hi CormacORourke19. The band is notable, but Wikipedia has stand alone biographies of individual members of a band only if the person is notable for something independent of the group. As of summer 2016, there was overwhelming consensus that Healy was not independently notable. The draft doesn't make a persuasive case that his notability has changed since then. Write about something else. Wikipedia has over 6 million topics to choose from, nearly all of which need improvement. See Wikipedia:Community portal for how to help. --Worldbruce (talk) 18:31, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

17:51:58, 9 April 2020 review of submission by Woodchuck123

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Woodchuck123 (talk) 17:51, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I would ask that you please re-review. The reviewer said it was rejected as wikipedia is not a place for resumes or autobiographies. Which I understand and agree with. The article I submitted was neither of these.

The article described a notable NASA engineer who just happened to be my late brother which I noted on the page with the conflict of interest as required by Wikipedia.

Craig's contributions to NASA and space science were many. NASA acknowledged his contributions with two NASA leadership awards and NASA renamed the MMS mission control center after him along with renaming one of the four MMS spacecraft after him.

And not sure how one could argue that his achievements were not notable as he led NASA's last mission to the moon! The moon mission, LRO, was on a tight timeline and budget per a directive from President Bush. Craig and the NASA team got it successfully launched on schedule and it has continued to operate to this day. The spacecraft was only designed to last 2 years and now has lasted > 10 years and continues to provide data on the moon. The MMS mission that he led, put 4 identical spacecraft in synchronized orbits. First time ever accomplished. And is even in the Guinness book of world records.

I have seen plenty of wikipedia of pages for people that IMO were far from notable.

Maybe I didn't write it well enough to get the point across. So if it isn't written well enough, maybe someone could help to make it publishable. Woodchuck123 (talk) 17:51, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Woodchuck123, Howdy hello! Its possible that he might be notable, but some additional sources will need to be found. To show notability we need news articles that discuss him with significant coverage. Can you try to find some news coverage that specifically discusses him, and is more than just a passing mention? Please leave any findings on my talk page.
Be careful about comparing your article to existing ones. Many of the articles on Wikipedia were created before we began the rigorous Article for Creation process. That means a lot of ...honestly junk articles were created, and many of them have slipped through the cracks. You can read more about the logical fallacies involved in article comparison at WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 02:36, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

18:20:04, 9 April 2020 review of submission by Chelseam5

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I created this draft, and abided by the terms and conditions, disclosing paid editing. Needless to say, all of my edits on WP are constructive and are always done voluntarily. This draft was recently rejected, after half a year(!) of pending, clearly because of the paid edit disclosure. The official reason was supposedly lack of notability, yet any amateur editor can see that this isn't true. The article is written in a NPOV, backed by over 20 independent and secondary sources, and its subject is notable. If this help desk can be of assistance, I believe this case deserves its attention. Thanks. Chelseam5 (talk) 18:20, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I would probably decline ANY draft that had the word "solutions" in the first sentence too. See WP:SOLUTIONS. Theroadislong (talk) 18:29, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I have now changed that word. Is there anything wrong with the draft now, that is actually not in line with Wikipedia's guidelines? If so I would like to know, before re-submitting it. Thanks, Chelseam5 (talk) 22:45, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Chelseam5, It needs a general cleanup for buzzwords. Also the sourcing needs to improve. PRnewswire is a bad one, don't use the company's own press releases. I would go through all the sources to ensure they are reliable and not promotional/related to the company. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 02:21, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I removed the PRnewswire article now (it should be noted that such sources are often properly used in WP articles and do not cancel out dozens of other independent articles). DGG, the draft's sources include TechCrunch, Nuance Communication, TIME magazine, Fortune, to name just a few -since you disapproved it for notability reasons, would you be so kind to explain why these aren't enough, or whether there are enough now. CaptainEek, maybe it's because English isn't my native tongue but I candidly couldn't find buzzwords (I tried to improve the article with a minor edit now), if you find something specific please tell me. Chelseam5 (talk) 08:04, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

20:54:45, 9 April 2020 review of submission by Denis99999

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Denis99999 (talk) 20:54, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

20:54:45, 9 April 2020 review of submission by Denis99999

Denis99999 the subject of your article must have multiple independent reliable sources that mention the subject significantly (not just routine or trivial coverage). A reviewer has determined that these sources likely don't exist, so your submission has been rejected. If end up finding these sources, put them here and then perhaps a review could be considered. Also, autobiographies are strongly discouraged. Sam-2727 (talk) 22:10, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

22:11:05, 9 April 2020 review of submission by Matrixfundaments

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Hi! I recently submitted a Wikipedia page for artist, "Jamie Kai". I manage all of my own artist relations, and have recently signed a distribution deal with Symphonic Distribution, who will be releasing my first official single in all DSP's available as of tomorrow 10. April 2020. I recently submitted a Wikipedia page as well to have presence within the community for all listeners to match the presence in other outlets, YouTube, Soundcloud, Instagram, and all other social media platforms.

However, after submission to the Wikipedia database, my submission was declined although it did meet Wikipedia standards as quoted, "show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of music-related topics)."

My question is why was my submission rejected, as sources for the first submission were provided, from reliable, published, secondary sources, which show significant coverage.

The artist began their career in Germany, on the spin-off of the German franchise of "American Idol", Deutschland sucht den Superstar or DSDS. I have provided articles and videoclips as references. What am I missing? Here by the suggestion of Tatupipla. THX! :)

Matrixfundaments (talk) 22:11, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Matrixfundaments, which sources exactly do you think qualifies the subject as notable under WP:GNG? I can offer you more specific advice (per source) if you give examples of ones you believe are part of the guidelines. Also I'm wondering: you refer to the artist in the first person at the start of your comment, but shift into third person at the end. If you are the artist, you should declare a conflict of interest on your userpage (follow the instructions on the page I linked). Sam-2727 (talk) 22:32, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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