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The following discussion is an archived proposal of the WikiProject below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the project's talk page (if created) or the WikiProject Council). No further edits should be made to this page.

The proposed WikiProject was not created. Per nominator's requests. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 16:02, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Description

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Our scope and goal is improve articles about events in 2021, the Current event portal for 2021, articles of people who died in 2021, and anything else that relates to 2021. 2021 has a lot happening in it, from wars, to COVID-19, to weather, to politics around the world. Having a WikiProject dedicated to just improving those articles would be very beneficial to Wikipedia. Elijahandskip (talk) 18:47, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

List of important pages and categories for this proposed group

List of WikiProjects currently on the talk pages of those articles
Please invite these and any other similar groups to join the discussion about this proposal. See Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Directory to find similar WikiProjects.
Why do you want to start a new group, instead of joining one of these existing groups?
Having a WikiProject dedicated to a specific year, especially the 2000 years, might help improve articles based in that year. WP Years cover mostly lists, WP Current events only cover a short period of time, and WP history covers way too much to improve specific year amounts. Elijahandskip (talk) 18:54, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support

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  1. Elijahandskip (talk) 18:47, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  2. StopBoi (talk) 23:02, 19 May 2021 (UTC) (slightly)[reply]

Discussion

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  • I accidentally started a discussion (See this discussion) a few days ago before checking on this. My bad. Elijahandskip (talk) 18:47, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I strongly oppose this; 2021 is not exceptional enough to warrant its own taskforce let alone a whole project, and could easily slippery slope into every year. WikiProject Years more than adequately covers this scope for perpetuity, and you would basically be eradicating the function of WikiProject Current Events for the next six and a half months. The only modern year I would even remotely consider for its own project would be 2020, and to think that 2021 has been proposed instead absolutely boggles my mind. Kingsif (talk) 20:50, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I do want to say that it was an idea, so we could change the proposal to 2020 if that would change your mind. Elijahandskip (talk) 21:23, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think 2020 would be the best year to start with. An alternative would be to have a project for each decade rather than year; many people are particularly interested in one decade. Jim Michael (talk) 21:54, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I would go along with that. If a few people agree with what Jim Michael just said, I will change the proposal to the 2010-2019 decade. Elijahandskip (talk) 22:03, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
yes, I agree with that. A WikiProject for a decade sounds fine.---Sm8900 (talk) 🌍 15:36, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, even just for historicity - "the 60s" is an identity. 2021 is a grouping only by chronological coincidence for many events. Kingsif (talk) 21:53, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Kingsif: & @Sm8900:. I started a proposal for a decades WikiProject. See the bottom of this discussion for the link to it. Elijahandskip (talk) 14:15, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strongest oppose, I do not see the point in having yearly wikiprojects. What articles would be considered "2021"? You mentioned the COVID-19 wikiproject, but that is strongly a 2020 thing. This is all without mentioning that WikiProject Current Events already exists for this purpose, and it does a pretty damn good job of it. I could consider a WikiProject Twenty-first Century, but still, I don't think its needed. JackFromWisconsin (talk | contribs) 01:52, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Everything relating to the year/decade in question. At any given time, current events only covers a small minority of the current year's events, and very little outside it. Many projects overlap with others - that's not a reason to not have them. Jim Michael (talk) 10:11, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose WikiProject for 2021 Personally, I don't think we need a whole WikiProject for just one year. We could however possibly have WikiProjects by decades or centuries, but we don't need one for each specific year. ~ 🌀HurricaneCovid🌀 12:17, 19 May 2021 (UTC) Changing to slight support for a different version of this. As several people have suggested, we could have WikiProjects by decades, like for 2010s, 2020s, etc. I am leaning support of that idea. ~ 🌀HurricaneCovid🌀 14:33, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment for @Kingsif: & @JackFromWisconsin:. Jim Michael sort of already said it, but the Current Events WikiProject doesn't cover all of 2021. Not even close. If you exclude every COVID article, then the WikiProject really has less than 100 articles that it actually works on. The entire point of the WikiProject is to be that "unique" one that deals with the breaking news articles...aka anything listed on ITN or Portal:Current events. That's it. I always exlcude COVID, because it is considered a 'current event' and posted on ITN's ongoing section, so every COVID article is a 'current event'. But in reality, the WikiProject only deals with articles for a max of 2 weeks. A perfect example is the Zamfara kidnapping in February 2021. Was notable enough to make ITN even. All incidents related to the article were done in early March. That is no longer a "Current event", so the WikiProject doesn't work on it any more. This comment was more to help fix understanding about the Current events WikiProject. It doesn't cover 2021, only 'current events'. Elijahandskip (talk) 14:54, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • While not everything 2021 will permanently be a current event, every current event for next 6 and a half months will be 2021. It's like we already have a well-established WP Rectangles and you want to make WP Oblongs. A large chunk is covered, you'd be eradicating the function of something that's running well, and the difference isn't significant enough to get its own. And certainly not until it's over, I think is another point. RECENTISM is already a problem without glorifying the current year. Kingsif (talk) 15:04, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Every current event for the next 7 months will briefly be in CE, but projects of years/decades will continue after the events & years/decades cease to be current, so the rectangle/oblong comparison isn't valid. Also, having a large amount of overlap can be avoided by not starting a year project until that year has ended. Jim Michael (talk) 20:13, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Slightly support. This would be a very tough project to keep together, multiple people would have to be watching the different sections of this group. I also think there would be a bit of a disconnect between different sections sometimes, due to the difference of some "areas of event", if that makes sense. Right now I support it a little, I think it could be a good project if managed well... but the difficulty of doing so would be great. StopBoi (talk) 23:01, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Super Weak Oppose – 2021 has been a pretty notable year so far... but I still don't think it's that necessary, however, if managed well this could be a big success. ~~ 🌀𝚂𝙲𝚂 𝙲𝙾𝚁𝙾𝙽𝙰🌀 12:14, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Partial support, in a much different form. Sorry, but I can't support this proposal in its current form. However, I would highly support a WikiProject for specific decades, i.e. WikiProject 2020s. I would support this, especially since i may have been the first person to initiate a current decade overview at Wikipedia, at 2020s in political history. thanks.---Sm8900 (talk) 🌍
  • Oppose individual years. Support decade projects. – This seems to be too niche of a topic. What about by decade? Then, as we get into decades with less documentation (i.e. the Middle Ages), then it can be split up by century. Then, after that, maybe even more generalized, such as WikiProject Prehistory? codingcyclone advisories/damages 19:26, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Proposal: So it appears majority of editors wouldn't be opposed to a decade based WikiProject. Since I did the original nomination, let's refocus the discussion and have the !votes be about a 2010-2019 based WikiProject, instead of 2021. I don't know what to specifically do in this circumstance, since the original proposal and formatting stuff was for a 2021 WikiProject, however, we sort of "decided" on a decades based one. Would an admin be kind and give advice on what to do for discussion to keep it formatted correctly and stuff? I am thinking of SNOW close on this, starting a new proposal based on the decade WikiProject idea, and a copy/paste of this discussion, since it had the idea of the decade WikiProject, but I am not sure if that is the right way to do this. Elijahandskip (talk) 21:16, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think a 2010s project would be the best place to start. If that's successful, start projects for the 2020s, 2000s, 1990s etc. Jim Michael (talk) 20:22, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Jim Michael:, @CodingCyclone:, @StopBoi:, @Kingsif:, @HurricaneCovid:, @Sm8900:, @JackFromWisconsin:, Would any of you have an opposition to me pinging an admin to SNOW close this and me to open up a new proposal discussion for a decades WikiProject? This is not if you are in opposition to that decades WikiProject, just if you are in opposition to a SNOW close on this (2021 WikiProject) discussion. Elijahandskip (talk) 21:47, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Elijahandskip: I think I would be fine with an admin closing this discussion. codingcyclone advisories/damages 22:19, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You can just start a new discussion and let this one eventually get closed by an admin or otherwise. JackFromWisconsin (talk | contribs) 02:49, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Sounds like a good idea. I'd join it. TomCat4680 (talk) 18:47, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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