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Q561
editWho holds the record for scoring most fc runs after his last Test match ? Tintin 15:57, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
- Barry Richards must have a chance, roughly 21,000 by my count. --Jpeeling 18:05, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
- Roy Marshall must be well up there. 20 years of heavy scoring for Hampshire after relocating himself there from the West Indies. Got a few other guesses if not him. --Travisbasevi 18:08, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
- It is Roy Marshall. After his last Test v NZ in 1951/2, he scored 33419 fc runs (from PO) [1] Tintin 06:38, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
Q562
editWhat Test record does the South Africa v Australia 1st Test at Johannesburg in 1993/94 have? It improved by 1 the previous best in the England v India 3rd Test at Birmingham in 1967. --Travisbasevi 09:44, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
Number of overs bowled by a single bowler in the 2nd innings of a match? Warne bowled 44 in 1994, Illingworth bowled 43 in 1967. Jonesy 09:51, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
- Decent spot but no. Ramadhin has that record with a mind-blowing 98! --Travisbasevi 09:57, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
- Most number of dismissals "bowled" in a Test? Rprpsych 12:04, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
- Nope, never going to beat the 19th century matches there. [2] --Travisbasevi 13:56, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
There were seven different catchers in the England second inns and nine in the two England innings but the Jo'b Test doesn't come anywhere near. Tintin 15:30, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
In the first match, every player on both sides scored at least 10 runs in one of the innings; in the second match every player on each side scored at least 11 runs in one innings or the other. Johnlp 15:43, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
- Blimey, it's not the exact answer I was after but I'm going to give it to you as it's so close, you're perfectly accurate, and it would be a tease not to. My version was that the minimum total runs in the match for each of the 22 players was 13 in the Joburg match and 12 in the Brum match, but your version for the minimum high score is equally valid. In fact, yours is better - these are the only two matches where all 22 players made it into double figures in an innings. There should be a rule of double points for trumping the question! Over to Johnlp. --Travisbasevi 00:19, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
From Ask Frindall, No.154, http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/tms/2007/09/ask_bearders_154_1.shtml : Q: It is relatively unusual for a team's innings to have all 11 players reaching double figures. My question is: has there ever been a first-class game in which all 22 players in the match reached double figures in both innings? John Martin
Bearders' Answer: No. There has not even been any instance at first-class level of all 22 players scoring ten or more in ONE of their two innings.
Q563
editWho is writing here about whom? "He strode out to bat, full of purpose and confidence, white cravat as always neatly tied, face burned bright red by the fierce Australian sun - looking every bit John Bull on his Saturday off, indulging in his favourite pastime." Johnlp 07:22, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
- The player isn't Warwick Armstrong is it? --Travisbasevi 09:25, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
No, not him. More recent. Johnlp 10:12, 19 September 2007 (UTC) Time for a clue? Johnlp 19:48, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
- Blowers? WillE 21:50, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
Not that recent. Think of a long-running rivalry: this is a player (and fleeting captain) from one side writing about the captain of the other side. Johnlp 22:10, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
- Complete stab in the dark then: Arthur Morris the part time writer and fleeting captain talking about Len Hutton. No firm idea that Hutton was a cravat wearer, but looking at the list of English captains around then, I can picture them all with that bit of fashion... --Travisbasevi 04:40, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
You're halfway there. Morris is indeed the writer, but it's not Hutton. Johnlp 07:00, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
- "face burned bright red by the fierce Australian sun" makes me guess that this is a Sheffield Shield battle between NSW and VIC? Hassett then? although he doesn't seem like John Bull. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 07:25, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Nope. Not him either. Hassett as John Bull does take a bit of imagining, though the same could be said for the chap Morris actually was writing about. The book it's taken from came out in about 1964 and possibly holds a world record of its own: most cliches and platitudes in a single volume... Johnlp 08:28, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
- If he's that cliched a writer, I'll persist with it being an English captain because of the John Bull reference. How about Wally Hammond? --Travisbasevi 10:15, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Under the cruel rules of the Quiz, Tintin gets it. Freddie Brown it is. Before I get accused of libelling Arthur Morris, I should point out that his is one of the better contributions in a Rothmans book that charts Ashes Test series from 1946 to 1964 in the words of "leading participants". It was never likely to be a formula for literature, one feels. Anyway, bad luck Travis, and over to Tintin. Johnlp 10:35, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Q564
editWriting in Sportstar in 1987 when Gavaskar completed 10,000 runs, Scyld Berry analysed the different faces of Gavaskar as a batsman. He described Gavaskar's 121 at Delhi (50 in 37 balls, 100 in 94), 90 at Ahmedabad on a vicious wicket, both against 1983/4 West Indians as "strokes of purest brilliance".
In Berry's opinion, "of all cameos played by great batsmen in Tests", there was only one innings that could be placed on the same level as SMG's - a sub-50 innings played by an English batman some time in the 20th century. Who, where ? Tintin 11:13, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
- Just in case it is too vague, it was played in a Test match in Australia. Tintin 11:15, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
- Was it Wally Hammond's 32* on a Brisbane sticky? [3] WillE 12:35, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
- Not that one. Tintin 12:37, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Sounds like a pretty odd observation of Berry's. The question hints that it must have been earlier than the 80s, but Botham's quickfire 46 at Melbourne in 1982 was pretty important in the context of the match and the series [4] --Travisbasevi 13:15, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
- John Edrich, 34 out of 101 against Australia in 1974-75? Dickie Bird also rated it a top innings. Rprpsych 13:26, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
No. It was fairly close to the second world war. The batsman scored 37 in 24 minutes. Tintin 14:05, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Presumably Hutton in the 2nd innings here. Wisden called his hitting "fierce", and he was out when his bat slipped out of his glove after a hard drive and fell on to his wicket. Johnlp 22.55, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
- It was that innings and somewhat inevitably, some reports likened his batting to that of Victor Trumper Tintin 03:49, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
- What an odd innings, in the context of the match. Why didn't he knuckle down to a limpet effort? What's the story here? --Dweller 13:44, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
Q565
editCan't remember if we've had this one before: if so, apologies. Who played in one Test and was out three times? Johnlp 07:32, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
- William Ashley?? Jonesy 07:47, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
Er, no. Johnlp 18:28, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
That's the one. Well done. Over to you. Johnlp 19:48, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
Q566
editWhat did Everard Baker do twice in one first-class match that no-one ever managed in Test cricket? --Jpeeling 20:02, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
- Stumped Bradman? [5] Johnlp 20:16, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
Correct. Bradman was never stumped in Tests but was 11 times in FC cricket, the only man to do it twice did it in one match. Back to you Johnlp. --Jpeeling 20:38, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
Q567
editAn anatomical question. In which Test match was one body-part caught and bowled by another? Johnlp 21:22, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
- Does Willie Watson, c Hole b Ring count? I'm not sure where my Mansell is located, but Hole was c&b Mansell in 1953? And I won't even mention the 9th wicket in the first innings of this match! The-Pope 22:37, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
Sadly no. Nice work, though! Johnlp 23:15, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
- England Women v Australia Women, 1963 ER Rump c and b M Knee 5 --Jpeeling 11:31, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
Well done, User:Jpeeling, and don't be bashful about signing it! Over to you. Johnlp 11:44, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
Q568
editSorry about that Johnlp, anyway going back to Q512 who are the 'weakest' centurions (i.e. the centurion with lowest amount of runs and the centurion with the lowest average) in Test cricket? --Jpeeling 11:58, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
- Andy Ganteaume with 112 runs, and Saqlain Mushtaq with 14.48 --Roberry 13:44, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
Correct Roberry who like me has forgotten to sign his name, must be catching--Jpeeling 13:41, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
- Signed now --Roberry 13:44, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
Q569
editWhich former team mates have been dismissed by the opposing captain most often in Tests? --Roberry 13:47, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
- Viv Richards and Desmond Haynes with 17 each. Interestingly they are followed by Sobers, Walsh and Dujon, with Marshall and Holding then tied with two others. A West Indian phenomenon! --Travisbasevi 14:10, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
I had not noticed that - looks like there are 20 players that have been dismissed at least 10 times by the other captain and 9 are West Indian (Greenidge and Lloyd being the others). You are correct and the honour of asking the next question belongs to you --Roberry 14:20, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
Q570
editWhat ODI batting record does VVS Laxman hold, where Irfan Pathan holds the corresponding ODI bowling record? However, Nuwan Zoysa holds the equivalent for all ODI players. --Travisbasevi 14:44, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
- Don't know if I don't understand the last bit because I'm not meant to... anyway, I'll go for most runs/wickets in series. No idea about Zoysa. --Dweller 14:49, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
- Nope. To give a bit of a clue about Zoysa, Laxman is second in that list behind him, and Pathan is fourth. --Travisbasevi 14:56, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
- How about Laxman has the most matches batting but not bowling. Pathan has the most bowling but not batting. Zoysa the most without batting or bowling? --146.235.0.126 16:14, 24 September 2007 (UTC)--Roberry 20:43, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
- No, there's longtimers like Gilchrist who've never bowled in an ODI. --Travisbasevi 17:14, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
Time for a clue? These records don't exist for Tests (or if they did, they wouldn't make sense and/or be very illuminating). So think of something that ODIs have that Tests don't have. --Travisbasevi 09:57, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
- Day/nighters? Zoysa most % appearances (61/95=.64), Laxman most % runs (1362/2338=.58), Pathan most % wickets (59/115=.51). --Jpeeling 14:24, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
- Not a bad guess, but no. Depending on your qualifications, it seems Hussey would trump Laxman for the batting in floodlit matches, and Lee would beat Pathan in the bowling. You could say there's a reason for the vague correlation between the high percentage of day/nighters by Zoysa/Laxman/Pathan and the actual answer. --Travisbasevi 14:37, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
- Neutral venue games? Zoysa most % appearances, Laxman most % runs, Pathan most % wickets. Not much sense for Tests, as virtually no tests are at neutral venues, vague correlation is neutral/specialised/Sharjah venues often have lights? The-Pope 18:04, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
- No, although neutral games are certainly in the mix. Another hint: It is most career runs/wickets/matches for a certain subsection of players. Nothing to do with percentages. --Travisbasevi 18:23, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
- Most runs/wickets/matches never to have played in a World Cup? --Jpeeling 18:54, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
- Spot on. And the vague correlation coming from how relatively few day/nighters there have been in the past few World Cups. And I'm suitably chuffed from finally getting a question to last more than 24 hours. All yours Jpeeling, well done. --Travisbasevi 22:23, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Q571
editWhat links this bowler friendly XI: Brendan Taylor, Chetan Chauhan, Aftab Ahmed, Upul Chandana, Kumar Dharmasena, Deryck Murray (wk), John Emburey, Shane Warne (c), Malcolm Marshall, Curtly Ambrose, Waqar Younis. --Jpeeling 09:49, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
- None have scored test centuries? I'm sure there's more to it than that but am I on the right track at least? Jonesy 09:53, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
On the right lines but a bit more needed. --Jpeeling 09:57, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Correct. Q572 awaits Travisbasevi. --Jpeeling 12:24, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Q572
editWhat's kept Gerry Gomez, Glenn Turner and Graeme Hick awake at night? --Travisbasevi 12:47, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
- Not out 99 overnight in test? 164.36.38.240 13:07, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
- As with the last question, on the right track, a bit more needed. --Travisbasevi 13:30, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
- Knew I shouldn't have delayed answering the previous question. This one it they were all 99* overnight on the first day of a test match on the way to their maiden test century (was also the first time each of them had reached the nervous nineties in tests). The-Pope 14:05, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
- Correct. They're the only Test players to be 99* overnight for their maiden century (on the 1st day is a coincidence). Turner repeated the effort for his fourth Test ton. Over to Benedict. --Travisbasevi 14:25, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
- Knew I shouldn't have delayed answering the previous question. This one it they were all 99* overnight on the first day of a test match on the way to their maiden test century (was also the first time each of them had reached the nervous nineties in tests). The-Pope 14:05, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
- As with the last question, on the right track, a bit more needed. --Travisbasevi 13:30, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Q573
editI like to think I'm more old school, ghost of JPII style, than Benny. What links the following team: Stephen Fleming, Mohammad Azharuddin, Rahul Dravid, Mark Waugh, Jonty Rhodes, Clive Lloyd, Allan Border, Shaun Pollock, Jason Gillespie, Craig McDermott, Courtney Walsh. The-Pope 14:45, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
- Maybe a bit too obscure as there are no. 5 players are there because of they hold test records, 6 are there because of ODI records. 6 ODIs are there because I couldn't split two of them. The-Pope 17:50, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
- I believe this is similar to Q548 but involving catches. In tests Fleming of those with 5 in an innings has taken the most career catches, Waugh most with 4, Dravid 3, Lloyd 2 and Gillespie has reached 27 career catches in singles. While in ODIs Rhodes is the only man to take 5, Azharuddin has the most with four, Border 3, Pollock 2 and McDermott and Walsh (like Gillespie) reached 27 catches in singles. --Jpeeling 20:00, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
- Well done, that's it. Interesting that 27 is the record in singles for both forms of the game, and all by the specialist fine leg/mid ons! The-Pope 00:59, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
- I believe this is similar to Q548 but involving catches. In tests Fleming of those with 5 in an innings has taken the most career catches, Waugh most with 4, Dravid 3, Lloyd 2 and Gillespie has reached 27 career catches in singles. While in ODIs Rhodes is the only man to take 5, Azharuddin has the most with four, Border 3, Pollock 2 and McDermott and Walsh (like Gillespie) reached 27 catches in singles. --Jpeeling 20:00, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Q574
editAnother XI: Graeme Fowler, Farokh Engineer, Brad Hodge, Michael Clarke, Andrew Symonds, Shane Watson, Lance Klusener, Sunil Dhaniram, James Franklin, Andy Bichel, Shoaib Akhtar but what links them? --Jpeeling 09:57, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
- Highest overall batting average in all World Cups (without qualification), ranging from Watson with 145.00 to Fowler with 72.00. Lots of freak averages with not outs in there. --80.168.130.223 14:30, 28 September 2007 (UTC). Sod the darn auto-logout! --Travisbasevi 14:31, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
- Correct, over to you. --Jpeeling 14:59, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
Q575
editWhat allround record is held by Vinoo Mankad, followed closely by Graham Gooch, and then George Giffen? --Travisbasevi 15:28, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
- Highest aggregate of runs scored + balls bowled? Rprpsych 17:28, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
- No, although Griffin does hold that record. --Travisbasevi 18:35, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
- Most runs made and conceeded in a test match? Mankad 487 (72+184 with bat 196+35 with ball), Gooch 482 (333+123 with bat, 26 ball), Giffen 441 (161+41 with bat 75+164 with ball). The-Pope 18:52, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
- That be the one. Over to the spirit of JPII. --Travisbasevi 20:21, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
- Most runs made and conceeded in a test match? Mankad 487 (72+184 with bat 196+35 with ball), Gooch 482 (333+123 with bat, 26 ball), Giffen 441 (161+41 with bat 75+164 with ball). The-Pope 18:52, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
- No, although Griffin does hold that record. --Travisbasevi 18:35, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
Q576
editSorry for the delay... very busy weekend. What batting record does Jacques Kallis hold, closely followed by Ricky Ponting, but the equivalent bowling record is much older... Joel Garner holds it, with Fred Trueman second. The-Pope 12:58, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
- Consecutive Tests with a run scored, and consecutive Tests with a wicket? --Roberry 21:19, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
- I was hunting down much the same alley as I knew Trueman and Garner are at the top of the list for taking a wicket in every Test played, but Trueman played more Tests than Garner. Are we on the right track at least? --Travisbasevi 22:50, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
- Nope, it's nothing to do with consecutive games.The-Pope 00:57, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
- Extending the lists: Glenn McGrath, Muttiah Muralitharan and Allan Donald are next in the bowling list, with Matthew Hayden, Viv Richards and Sachin Tendulkar next on the batting list. The-Pope 17:27, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
- I think we need a proper hint! Those additional names would be high on most records. --Travisbasevi 11:37, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
- Most innings without smiling, and most balls delivered without a neutral look on their face. 164.36.38.240 12:08, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
- Most runs/wickets taken during a team's unbeaten run. --Jpeeling 12:37, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
- Most innings without smiling, and most balls delivered without a neutral look on their face. 164.36.38.240 12:08, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
- I think we need a proper hint! Those additional names would be high on most records. --Travisbasevi 11:37, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
- Kallis has gained a bit more breathing space ahead of Ponting this week, and Hayden needs 4 or 5 more innings like the other day to catch his (regular) captain. If I loosened the batting qualifying mark a little, then Sobers would come in at the top (and a bit more would put The Don at the top). Bowling wise, you have to drop the qualifying mark a lot to usurp the Big Bird... although if you dropped it a little bit, Shane Bond is snapping at his heels - 1 good innings could get him to the top. The-Pope 20:00, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
- Best batting average and best bowling average at International level. With requirements of 10000 runs and 250 wickets. --Jpeeling 20:14, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
- That's it, and exactly where I got the idea from... but it is interesting to lump Test, ODIs and Twenty20s in together... of course it was the 10000 run minimum that kept the older batters out. If you drop it back to a 2000 run minimum, then after Bradman, Hussey is 2nd, but then it's the test only list of Pollock, Headley, Sutcliffe, etc down to Kallis, Greg Chappell and KP at 19-21. Ponting has just scored his 20000th international run, too. Bond is on 211 wickets, with as little as a 4/49 needed to get him above Garner. Murali needs a 6/35 (or 7/56, 8/78, 9/100, 14/200) to get above McGrath. The-Pope 20:49, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
- Best batting average and best bowling average at International level. With requirements of 10000 runs and 250 wickets. --Jpeeling 20:14, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
Q577
editWhat batting record does Peter Judge hold? --Jpeeling 21:03, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
- Well, it's presumably the one in the article on him: fastest pair ever. Johnlp 21:46, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
- Correct. I apologise for the worst question in the quiz's history. I saw this on Peter Judge's Cricinfo page but it wasn't on Chandu Sarwate's page so my original question was 'What rare bowling feat did Chandu Sarwate achieve' believing the Cricinfo story that Sarwate took a hat-trick with Judge featuring in it twice. I checked CA but it said he fell second ball. So in a rush to replace the question I asked a Q that whether you checked Wikipedia, CA or Cricinfo you couldn't fail to get. --Jpeeling 09:05, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
- Don't worry: I could do with a lucky day! Johnlp 09:22, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
- Ask Steven confirms it wasn't a hat-trick although their wording sounds like the second ball duck was in the first innings. The previous weeks column gave the case of William Clarke for the only time in a hat-trick where a batsman has featured twice.
- I should let this go but Mohammed Ghazali suffered the fastest pair of Test history 'inside two hours on a spiteful pitch at Old Trafford'. Ghazali played for the Indian first-class side Maharashtra before partition. And who else played for Maharashtra...Chandu Sarwate! --Jpeeling 18:49, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
- Ask Steven confirms it wasn't a hat-trick although their wording sounds like the second ball duck was in the first innings. The previous weeks column gave the case of William Clarke for the only time in a hat-trick where a batsman has featured twice.
- Don't worry: I could do with a lucky day! Johnlp 09:22, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
- Correct. I apologise for the worst question in the quiz's history. I saw this on Peter Judge's Cricinfo page but it wasn't on Chandu Sarwate's page so my original question was 'What rare bowling feat did Chandu Sarwate achieve' believing the Cricinfo story that Sarwate took a hat-trick with Judge featuring in it twice. I checked CA but it said he fell second ball. So in a rush to replace the question I asked a Q that whether you checked Wikipedia, CA or Cricinfo you couldn't fail to get. --Jpeeling 09:05, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Q578
editIn what circumstances was Cyril Foley out, and then not out, in the same single innings? Johnlp 09:22, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
- Extract from obituary in Wisden 1937: At Lord's in 1893 he was the centre of an unusual incident. In the match between Middlesex and Sussex he picked up a bail which had fallen and, on appeal, Henty, the umpire, gave him out; but, at the request of W. L. Murdoch, the Sussex captain, Mr. Foley continued his innings. --Jpeeling 12:30, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
- That's the one. He's the only person to have been temporarily given out "handled the bail". Well done and back to you. Johnlp 13:41, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Q579
editTwo records that Chris Harris held were equalled in the New Zealand v Sri Lanka, 2007 World Cup Semi Final. What were they? --Jpeeling 13:54, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
- Most wickets caught and bowled in ODIs (Murali level with 29 now) and... erm... most wickets for a fielder/bowler combination (namely c Harris b Harris). --Travisbasevi 15:20, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
- Most wickets by a ...err... New Zealand citizen ? Vettori's equalled Harry's 203 wickets in that match but three of those were for the World XI. Tintin 15:28, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
This is the problem with asking a double question but I believe the quiz stats that the person who completes it gets the next question.(Q310) Sorry Travisbasevi but Tintin gets Q580. --Jpeeling 16:18, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Q580
editI guess this one is the sort of question that Travis prefers - Yuvraj Singh improved upon this record by Grant Flower last year; Flower regained the record today. What ? Tintin 16:26, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
- Most ODI hundreds without hitting one twice against the same opposition? --Travisbasevi 17:10, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
- Yes. Yuvraj's first seven hundreds were against seven different teams but he scored his second against Australia today. Flower has six hundreds against different opposition. Tintin 17:15, 5 October 2007 (UTC)