Wikipedia:WikiProject Elements/PTG/state-of-matter

PTG (talk)
Periodic Table Graphics
Themes
(the sciences)
WT:ELEM
Graphics
(the presentations)
Blocks
(BLOCK) (talk)
Micro-PT
(MICRO) (talk)
See also this parallel talk
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Elements § Emergency edit: remove fontcoloring State-of-Matter
Current version (~2020)
Developing
    • Set: "2021-som1" (edit)
    • Theme=000000
    • Set-page=000000
    • Set-tests=[[2021-som1/tests]]
    • Status=dev
    • Descr=solve wl-blue contrast issue
    • dob=2021-01-23

State of Matter theme

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  • In this theme, as a science, there is discussion on SoM should be noted as "of the real world material" (like O2, diamnd/graphite C), or plasma-phase (more physical) property. WT:ELEM.

Emergency edit: fontcolors into black (2021-01-23)

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See also this parallel talk: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Elements § Emergency edit: remove fontcoloring State-of-Matter

Details (2021-01-23)

These two edits did it:
[1] ({{Element_color}})
[2] {{Periodic table legend/State of matter}}
Mainspace articles affected:

2020

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Color set

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By font color
  • A  solid → #000000 
  • A  liquid → #000000 
  • A  gas → #000000 
  • A  unknown phase → #000000 
Wikilink blue
  • A  wikilink → #0645ad 
  • A  wikilink visited → #0B0080 Note: wikilink, visited
Legend=empty by Emergency edit.

Contrast

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sort name bg font ratio conf
w3c
lum
[0–1]
Hue
[0–360]
HSL
Sat
[0–1]
HSL
Lum
[0–1]
HSV
Sat
[0–1]
HSV
Val
[0–1]
RGB dec
[0–255]
note
61 s-block #ff9999 #000000 10.27
AAA
0.46 0 1 0.8 0.4 1 255-153-153 AlkMetal
61 s-block #ff9999 #cb0000 2.9
none
H, He
61 s-block #ff9999 #646464 2.89
none
Unk
61 s-block #ff9999 #0645ad 4.17
none
wl
62 p-block #fdff8c #000000 19.86
AAA
0.94 61 1 0.775 0.451 1 253-255-140 solid
62 p-block #fdff8c #007000 5.99
AA
Br
62 p-block #fdff8c #cb0000 5.61
AA
N, O, F etc.
62 p-block #fdff8c #646464 5.6
AA
Unk
62 p-block #fdff8c #0645ad 8.06
AAA
wl
63 d-block #99ccff #000000 12.44
AAA
0.57 210 1 0.8 0.4 1 153-204-255 solid
63 d-block #99ccff #007000 3.75
none
Hg
63 d-block #99ccff #646464 3.5
none
Unk
63 d-block #99ccff #0645ad 5.05
AA
wl
64 f-block #9bff99 #000000 17.16
AAA
0.81 118.8 1 0.8 0.4 1 155-255-153 solid
64 f-block #9bff99 #646464 4.83
AA
Unk
64 f-block #9bff99 #0645ad 6.97
AA
wl
65 g-block #fd99ff #646464 3.15
none
0.51 298.8 1 0.8 0.4 1 253-153-255 UNK all in g-block
65 g-block #fd99ff #0645ad 4.54
AA
wl

Combinations not present

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sort name bg font ratio conf
w3c
lum
[0–1]
Hue
[0–360]
HSL
Sat
[0–1]
HSL
Lum
[0–1]
HSV
Sat
[0–1]
HSV
Val
[0–1]
RGB dec
[0–255]
note
61 s-block #ff9999 #007000 3.1
none
----
63 d-block #99ccff #cb0000 3.51
none
----
64 f-block #9bff99 #007000 5.17
AA
----
64 f-block #9bff99 #cb0000 4.85
AA
----
65 g-block #fd99ff #000000 11.18
AAA
----
65 g-block #fd99ff #007000 3.37
none
----
65 g-block #fd99ff #cb0000 3.16
none
----

Blind PT

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"xxxline-height:1em;"

2021-som1

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(lol name/id: has nothing to do with SoM because we don't want to go back to (SoM)-fontcolors). -DePiep (talk) 01:03, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

SOM-icons

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April 5, 2021
Group 1 2   3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18
Hydrogen &
alkali metals
Alkaline earth metals Pnicto­gens Chal­co­gens Halo­gens Noble
gases
Period

hydro­genH1  he­liumHe2 
lith­iumLi3  beryl­liumBe4  boronB5  carbonC6  nitro­genN7  oxy­genO8  fluor­ineF9  neonNe10 
so­diumNa11  magne­siumMg12  alumin­iumAl13  sili­conSi14  phos­phorusP15  sulfurS16  chlor­ineCl17  argonAr18 
potas­siumK19  cal­ciumCa20  scan­diumSc21  tita­niumTi22  vana­diumV23  chrom­iumCr24  manga­neseMn25  ironFe26  cobaltCo27  nickelNi28  copperCu29  zincZn30  galliumGa31  germa­niumGe32  arsenicAs33  sele­niumSe34  bromineBr35  kryp­tonKr36 
rubid­iumRb37  stront­iumSr38  yttriumY39  zirco­niumZr40  nio­biumNb41  molyb­denumMo42  tech­netiumTc43  ruthe­niumRu44  rho­diumRh45  pallad­iumPd46  silverAg47  cad­miumCd48  indiumIn49  tinSn50  anti­monySb51  tellur­iumTe52  iodineI53  xenonXe54 
cae­siumCs55  ba­riumBa56    lute­tiumLu71  haf­niumHf72  tanta­lumTa73  tung­stenW74  rhe­niumRe75  os­miumOs76  iridiumIr77  plat­inumPt78  goldAu79  mer­curyHg80  thalliumTl81  leadPb82  bis­muthBi83  polo­niumPo84  asta­tineAt85  radonRn86 
fran­ciumFr87  ra­diumRa88    lawren­ciumLr103  ruther­fordiumRf104  dub­niumDb105  sea­borgiumSg106  bohr­iumBh107  has­siumHs108  meit­neriumMt109  darm­stadtiumDs110  roent­geniumRg111  coper­niciumCn112  nihon­iumNh113  flerov­iumFl114  moscov­iumMc115  liver­moriumLv116  tenness­ineTs117  oga­nessonOg118 
  lan­thanumLa57  ceriumCe58  praseo­dymiumPr59  neo­dymiumNd60  prome­thiumPm61  sama­riumSm62  europ­iumEu63  gadolin­iumGd64  ter­biumTb65  dyspro­siumDy66  hol­miumHo67  erbiumEr68  thuliumTm69  ytter­biumYb70   
  actin­iumAc89  thor­iumTh90  protac­tiniumPa91  ura­niumU92  neptu­niumNp93  pluto­niumPu94  ameri­ciumAm95  curiumCm96  berkel­iumBk97  califor­niumCf98  einstei­niumEs99  fer­miumFm100  mende­leviumMd101  nobel­iumNo102 
Legend: State of matter
  Gas
  Liquid
  Solid
 
Phase unknown

Icons & templates

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DePiep (talk) 22:11, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
{{Element cell-named/som-image}} -- cell

Icons background

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Icon images development

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These sets of icons are mentioned:

  • LP03, 2021-01-18 [3]
Solid: A black cube, like  
Liquid: A black teardrop, like  
Gas: A black cloud, like  
Unknown phase: A black question mark, like  
  • YBG, 2021-01-25 [4]
  - a cloud for gasses
  - a drop for liquids
  - a cube for solids
  • DePiep, 2021-01-27
 
 
 
DePiep (talk) 22:11, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • DePiep, Unicode characters
  • U+1F4A7 💧 DROPLET
  • U+1F322 🌢 BLACK DROPLET
  • U+286A BRAILLE PATTERN DOTS-2467
Responses & commentary
Worth thinking about: Plasma (physics) phase? -DePiep (talk) 22:19, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No. -DePiep (talk) 22:08, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Plasma is not needed in a PT context, though if there were any chance the icon set would be used in contexts broader that the PT, it would be a plus to have a coherent set of four. But not sufficiently a plus that it should derail progress.
Any of these would work for me. DePiep's has the interesting characteristic that when presented as shown above they look like a candle with a flame and smoke. YBG (talk) 07:40, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
OK, won't create a plasm one then (Double sharp also note this at WT:ELEM). Will work on a PT-implementation. As I mentioned before, for recognisability when font-size small, I prefer the simple 2D ones. And yes, a candle :-) BTW, I think the gas-dots are not randomly enough, can't help thinking about domino tiles ;-) -DePiep (talk) 12:06, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think there might be some benefit to having 3-D effects visible at larger sizes provided they automagically disappear into invisibility at smaller sizes.
As to making the dots more random, consider these possibilities (1) remove the 2nd-from-bottom dot on the left; (2) make some of the dots a different size or different shape.
YBG (talk) 06:07, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
re "3D when in larger sizes" -- in which situation would this help? 2D-to-3D (icon-to-image!) does not make its legend superfluous (iow image still needs clarification). And when these are in here, there are about 5–9 data facts per cell. So imo no need for extra details. We surely should see a full PT mockup first (also, because I think that supports my points ;-) ). Working on this. -DePiep (talk) 22:20, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

FWIW, my favourite is LP03's, but I'd be fine with any. Double sharp (talk) 08:00, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Se my reply to YBG above. -DePiep (talk) 22:20, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The more I think about it - and now especially that I've seen your example - the more I think that the 3D effect is helpful. These black rectangles look to me like so many scraps of carbon paper. YBG (talk) 06:30, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

+1 Double sharp (talk) 07:16, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
−1 We have to show 118 statuses, and showing a pattern with it. So better use icons/symbols, not images.
As with background colors, to do so icons or symbols can do this; a picture does not help at all. The profit is: once you know the mental-easy meaning of a well-chosen symbol, only once, one cannot unknow it and one will recognise it easily by looking not by 'interpreting'. Best illustration for this: A-B-C-... Would you be helpd reading a book or paper when the alphabet was 3D? Images? Above this, the cell has much more info (esp. text and numbers), which makes it hartder to distinguish details (like, giving meaning to serif/non-serif font distinction). All in all, the question here is presenting information, not eh documenting it. -DePiep (talk) 18:00, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Issues

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Information

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Now the result for Fl (predicted liquid) seems to be formally published: [5]. So if one wanted, one could definitely write a cited predicted state for the transactinoids too: all solid, except Cn and Fl liquids. (It may be useful in some cases even if we eventually decide not to do it for the main PT.) Double sharp (talk) 09:17, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]