Wikipedia:WikiProject Highways/Assessment/A-Class Review/Michigan State Trunkline Highway System
Michigan State Trunkline Highway System
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Michigan State Trunkline Highway System (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) review
- Suggestion: Promote to A-Class
- Nominator's comments: 2013 will be the centennial of the creation of Michigan's highway system. We have no formula for system articles yet, and an attempt to have this peer-reviewed didn't solicit any comments. The previous ACR closed without much review either. The goal is to get this sent to FAC early in 2013 so that the article could be the TFA for May 13, 2012.
- Nominated by: Imzadi 1979 → 10:37, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- First comment occurred: 10:42, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
Review by Rschen7754
editI plan to make some general comments about the content and structure, but don't plan to actually review until other editors have made comments on the structure. --Rschen7754 10:42, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- You know, the overall structure seems fine. Awaiting other comments before reviewing. --Rschen7754 08:48, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- If I'm the last review left and we've hit 3 supports, go ahead and pass it; I'll just move my review to FAC. I'll see how quickly the other supports come. --Rschen7754 08:24, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comment by TCN7JM
editI may or may not review prose later, but I do have one comment on the lead.
- "These unsigned trunklines are mostly segments of former highway designations that have been moved or had the designations decommissioned."
Does the word "designation" need to be used twice in that sentence? I think it would look better as "These unsigned trunklines are mostly segments of former highway designations that have been moved or decommissioned." TCN7JM 16:13, 16 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Dough4872
editReview by Dough4872
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Most of these comments were taken from the review I did last year.
Since the article has been significantly revised since my first review, here is an updated review:
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- Support - My concerns have been addressed. This article sets a model for what state highway system articles should look like. Dough4872 15:05, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comments by Viridiscalculus
editThe History section is very unbalanced and suffers from the opposite of recentism. There are nine paragraphs about the road system in the 19th century and earlier. This is great except for the fact that there is more information there than in the section about the 20th century, when the Michigan State Trunkline Highway System was actually created and constructed. There are only two paragraphs devoted to everything that happened in the last 85 years, and many major areas of discussion have been only glancingly mentioned or not at all. The prose also has a high density of superlatives. Although superlatives are great to have and are juicy morsels for readers, they lose their punch if they comprise most of the prose. The superlatives need to be tied together into a narrative.
Here are some themes you should explore to expand the article's 20th century history, roughly in chronological order, based on my impressions of how most state highway systems developed. No two state highway systems developed the same exact way, but there were enough analogous actions and motives to be able to put together similar narratives. You have addressed many of these already, but there may be facets you have yet to explore.
- The Good Roads Movement causes state resources to be devoted to modern road construction. At first, the state offers expert advice to the counties and conducts statewide studies of the highway system.
The state sweetens the pot by offering funding or rewards to the counties for building modern roads paved in macadam or concrete. - However, these state-aided roads constructed by the county are poorly constructed, seem to be placed at random, or both.
Therefore, the state steps in and starts constructing the roads itself and laying out a system, with a goal of connecting all county seats and major cities and towns in the state.Little regard was paid to coordinating with neighboring states at first. Many of the most important existing roads in the state are turnpikes, plank roads, and the like in varying levels of quality. The state acquired the roads or the road right of way by one or more methods and used the routes for this new statewide system.- Early roads are narrow by modern standards, often being 14 feet or less in width. The state developed or parroted methods of widening roads, particularly along heavily traveled thoroughfares.
- World War I affected the state highway system. Heavy military traffic and truck traffic related to the war effort damaged the existing roads and created lessons in building roads that can stand up to the heavy traffic. Many roads were improved or proposed to be improved due to their wartime importance.
- Especially in northern states, not expending effort to clear snow from the roads in the winter led to the roads being closed to many automobiles for months. When spring comes, the roads are found to have been heavily damaged. Thus, snow removal became an important task.
- The rural versus urban conflict came into play with state road systems. Rural areas often were favored in construction of new roads by the state. Conversely, the cities often resisted being pulled into the state road system.
- There were conflicts between the railroads and the state highway system on what to do when the two crossed. Construction of grade separations became important to improve traffic flow and eliminate the danger of fatal collisions. Many state highways in urban areas doubled as streetcar routes, with all of the entailing conflict until the streetcar routes were discontinued and the road was then only used for automobiles.
- Federal aid for lateral and post roads affected which roads were improved and spurred such construction.
The U.S. Highway system is introduced, affecting which corridors are deemed most important and resulting in route number changes.- Early on, roads were improved in place. New pavement was laid on trails used for decades. As road planning, engineering, and construction improved, dangerous curves were bypassed and dangerous and deficient bridges were replaced with modern ones. In addition, roads were built on an entirely new path using the latest methods. New roads were constructed through rural areas to better connect two locations. New roads were constructed to bypass towns and separate local and long-distance traffic. Passage through major geographic barriers like mountains was improved by building on a new alignment.
- In many cases, existing roads could no longer be expanded in urban and suburban areas. To avoid this problem, new highways were built with two carriageways or designed in such a way to allow a second carriageway to be built when necessary without needing to acquire more land. Twin carriageways also mostly solved the problem of head-on collisions.
- The concept of access of control is introduced to avoid the problem of rampant development directly along highways.
- Grade separation of two or more highways is introduced with interchanges to connect the highways.
The first freeways are built, mostly in urban areas.- World War II caused a major shift in priorities. Most highways languished in favor of improving and constructing new highways to serve important military routes and access military bases and crucial war manufacturing centers.
- Following the war, there is a burst of highway-building activity in all areas of the state to compensate for the concentrated priorities of the war effect and explosive population growth, particularly as people flee the cities for the suburbs.
Maintenance deferred during the war is corrected. Minor highways are gradually improved to modern standards over the decades.- Freeways and other controlled-access highways are built to bypass towns and cities. Highways are widened and dualized.
Freeways and other controlled-access highways are planned on long-distance routes through rural areas to connect cities and relieve the older highways. Many of the freeways are planned as toll roads due to the 50:50 federal aid split not being good enough financially......until the state scraps toll road plans with the introduction of the Interstate Highway System and its 90:10 federal aid split.The Interstates take many, many years to be built. Once Interstate routes are completed, the old state highways along a corridor are bypassed, and some are removed from the state highway system or even the U.S. Highway system.- Freeway revolts redirect, delay, inhibit, or kill freeway plans. The rise of environmentalism does the same.
New freeways are built that take advantage of the latest planning, engineering, and construction methods. Old freeways need to be rebuilt to modern standards as much as possible to eliminate sharp curves, narrow roadways, and poorly designed bridges and interchanges.
I am probably missing many helpful themes, especially themes closer to the present day, but these ones should be helpful in adding content. Feel free to add more themes to help this article achieve the proper breadth and depth. VC 01:52, 13 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
What is the status? It's been almost a month. --Rschen7754 08:53, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- The article has not been edited since November. If the Pennsylvania Turnpike ACR got archived for lack of activity, this one should be, too. VC 13:33, 11 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- That article did not get archived for inactivity; concerns were that the article was being entirely rewritten and that necessitated a restart of the review. --Rschen7754 18:10, 11 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- You are right, the situations are different. VC 02:42, 12 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- That article did not get archived for inactivity; concerns were that the article was being entirely rewritten and that necessitated a restart of the review. --Rschen7754 18:10, 11 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Imzadi1979: can you please post onwiki as to the status of this review? Thank you. --Rschen7754 23:57, 8 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- A large expansion of the history has been added, which should address many of these. There are a few minor points to add in (freeway revolts in Detroit from the I-96 article, possibility of adding some the specifics of of the controversy over M-6 and I-696, etc.) but it would be appreciated if VC would strike the points he feels the article covers rather than leaving a laundry list of themes to cover, which imply the article doesn't cover some 24 bullet points. Imzadi 1979 → 01:48, 31 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- I struck the themes that appear to have been addressed in the History section. VC 16:58, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Image review and spotcheck by Fredddie
editImage review and spotcheck
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I intend to do this. –Fredddie™ 00:47, 14 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Images look good. –Fredddie™ 02:03, 14 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I suppose I should own up to the spotcheck part. If I have highlighted a reference with
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- Support. I am sufficiently satisfied with the fix. –Fredddie™ 00:43, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Evad37
editResolved issues
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Usage section:
History section:
Other:
This is my first contribution to ACR, I hope it is useful to you - Evad37 (talk) 08:21, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Some more comments:
- Evad37 (talk) 10:42, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
One more thing, the first paragraph of the lead ends in an incomplete thought: "... by MDOT; some are
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- Support, as all above issues have been resolved - Evad37 (talk) 23:12, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
More comments by TCN7JM
editDespite striking my comment about reviewing this, I will review this article later today. TCN7JM 12:29, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Apologies, but I'm not feeling that well today. I'll get to this tomorrow. TCN7JM 01:11, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Lead
- So, were the road districts created along with the creation of the Michigan Territory? If not, the second sentence in the second paragraph doesn't make sense.
- Usage
- "with a block letter Mat the top." - Missing a space in there.
- The second-to-last sentence of the second paragraph irks me a bit. The way it's written makes me think that trunklines are designated along eight-lane freeways in urban areas and urban areas only, and that they're only designated along two-lane highways in remote rural areas. Is there some way you could rewrite this?
- Numerical duplicatioin
- Consistency error: The third paragraph has a usage of "US Highways", while the rest of the article (as far as I've seen) uses "U.S. Highways".
- County roads and other systems
- In the first sentence, it looks and sounds weird with "in the state" being used twice in the sentence.
- 19th century
- You're missing a space before the last sentence of the second paragraph.
- A bit of a nitpick, but Chicago, Illinois redirects to Chicago, so you can fix the piped link.
- First sentence of the sixth paragraph is missing a period.
- The Grand River Avenue picture needs a comma after "US 16".
- Mid-20th century and later
- You say the Portage Lake Bridge opened in 1959, then in the same sentence you say the International Bridge opened "five years later" in 1962.
- "During the 1960 or 1970s" - I'm sure you see the error here.
That's it. Have fun! TCN7JM 15:44, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- And all are fixed. Thanks for the review! Imzadi 1979 → 15:57, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Great! And I like how you split the Mid-20th subsection. I support. TCN7JM 15:58, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.