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Statement by BrownhairedGirl
editHaving reach read through the statements made so far by others, it seems to me that there may be some disagreement not just on the naming of the articles but on some points which editors on both sides of the argument consider to be fundamental.
I am therefore making this statement as a series of short propositions, in an attempt to measure support for each of them.
My hope is that the responses here will help us to identify any fundamental disagreements, as well as to hopefully find many points of agreement. I have restricted this list to thirteen propositions, and I do not claim that it covers a particularly wide range of topics. Please consider it as an experiment.
Proposition 1
edit"Ireland" is the name of an island in Europe which lies in the Atlantic ocean to the north-west of continental Europe.
Users who endorse proposition 1
edit- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:57, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- User:Jeanne boleyn--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 08:12, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- Mooretwin (talk) 09:06, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- Kittybrewster ☎ 10:05, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- Nuclare (talk)
- --Snowded (talk) 12:35, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- Rockpocket 20:40, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- MusicInTheHouse (talk) 23:22, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- RashersTierney (talk) 10:45, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
- ClemMcGann (talk) 13:58, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
- — Blue-Haired Lawyer 14:39, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
- --HighKing (talk) 13:11, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
- waggers (talk) 14:29, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
- 78.152.254.197 (talk) 00:44, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
- ras52 (talk) 18:41, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
- Sarah777 (talk) 22:09, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
- 86.44.111.162 (talk) 00:56, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
- Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:20, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
- BastunBaStun not BaTsun 21:41, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
- Jaqian (talk) 14:11, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- Endorse. BigDuncTalk 15:05, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
- Robertbyrne (talk) 22:21, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
- ~Asarlaí 16:47, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- SarekOfVulcan (talk) 14:27, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- Ω ENGLISH LOCK Ω 13:21, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Users who oppose proposition 1
editProposition 2
edit"Ireland" is the name of an independent state which covers approximately five-sixths of the island called "Ireland".
Users who endorse proposition 2
edit- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:57, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- User:Jeanne boleyn
- Nuclare (talk)
- --Snowded (talk) 12:35, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- Kittybrewster ☎ 19:16, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- Rockpocket 20:40, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- MusicInTheHouse (talk) 23:22, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- RashersTierney (talk) 10:46, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
- ClemMcGann (talk) 13:59, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
- --HighKing (talk) 13:14, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
- waggers (talk) 14:29, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
- 78.152.254.197 (talk) 00:44, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
- ras52 (talk) 18:41, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
- Sarah777 (talk) 22:10, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
- 86.44.111.162 (talk) 00:56, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
- BastunBaStun not BaTsun 21:42, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
- Robertbyrne (talk) 22:21, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
- ~Asarlaí 16:47, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- SarekOfVulcan (talk) 14:27, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- Ω ENGLISH LOCK Ω 13:21, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Users who oppose proposition 2
editProposition 3
editThe English-language name of the state is defined in Article 4 of the Constitution of Ireland, which says in full: "The name of the State is Éire, or, in the English language, Ireland."
Users who endorse proposition 3
edit- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:57, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- User:Jeanne boleyn
- Nuclare (talk)
- --Snowded (talk) 12:36, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- Rockpocket 20:40, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- MusicInTheHouse (talk) 23:22, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- Kittybrewster ☎ 23:37, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- RashersTierney (talk) 10:47, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
- ClemMcGann (talk) 13:59, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
- — Blue-Haired Lawyer 14:39, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
- --HighKing (talk) 13:19, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
- waggers (talk) 14:29, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
- 78.152.254.197 (talk) 00:44, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
- ras52 (talk) 18:41, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
- Sarah777 (talk) 22:10, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
- 86.44.111.162 (talk) 00:56, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
- Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:20, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
- BastunBaStun not BaTsun 21:42, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
- Jaqian (talk) 14:12, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- BigDuncTalk 15:05, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
- Robertbyrne (talk) 22:22, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
- ~Asarlaí 16:47, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- SarekOfVulcan (talk) 14:27, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- Ω ENGLISH LOCK Ω 13:22, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Users who oppose proposition 3
editProposition 4
editThe description of the state is defined in law as "the Republic of Ireland", by Section 2 of the Republic of Ireland Act 1948, which says in full: "It is hereby declared that the description of the State shall be the Republic of Ireland."
Users who endorse proposition 4
edit- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:57, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- User:Jeanne boleyn
- Kittybrewster ☎ 10:06, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- Nuclare (talk)
- Rockpocket 20:40, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- — Blue-Haired Lawyer 14:39, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
- --HighKing (talk) 13:19, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
- 78.152.254.197 (talk) 00:43, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
- ras52 (talk) 18:41, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
- 86.44.111.162 (talk) 18:20, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
- Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:20, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
- BastunBaStun not BaTsun 21:43, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
- ~Asarlaí 16:47, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- SarekOfVulcan (talk) 14:28, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- Ω ENGLISH LOCK Ω 13:23, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Users who oppose proposition 4
edit- Sarah777 (talk) 22:11, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
- MusicInTheHouse (talk) 12:37, 25 March 2009
Off topic text added by Snowded was removed from this section by Gnevin. This may lead to a confusing flow in this section's text. For the original text see [1].
Proposition 5
editThe phrase "Republic of Ireland" is not the official name of the 26-county state, either in statute law or in the constitution
Users who endorse proposition 5
edit- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:57, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- User:Jeanne boleyn
- Nuclare (talk)
- --Snowded (talk) 12:37, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- Kittybrewster ☎ 19:17, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- Rockpocket 20:40, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- MusicInTheHouse (talk) 23:29, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- RashersTierney (talk) 10:49, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
- ClemMcGann (talk) 14:00, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
- --HighKing (talk) 13:19, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
- 78.152.254.197 (talk) 00:42, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
- ras52 (talk) 18:41, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
- Sarah777 (talk) 22:11, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
- 86.44.111.162 (talk) 18:28, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
- BastunBaStun not BaTsun 21:43, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
- Robertbyrne (talk) 22:23, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
- SarekOfVulcan (talk) 14:28, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- Ω ENGLISH LOCK Ω 13:24, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Users who oppose proposition 5
edit- — Blue-Haired Lawyer 14:39, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
- misleading. technically no but the words are just about always used to clarify. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:20, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Proposition 6
editThe official name of the state is the same as the name of the island
Users who endorse proposition 6
edit- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:57, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- User:Jeanne boleyn
- Nuclare (talk)
- --Snowded (talk) 12:37, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- Kittybrewster ☎ 19:17, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- Rockpocket 20:40, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- MusicInTheHouse (talk) 23:22, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- RashersTierney (talk) 10:49, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
- ClemMcGann (talk) 14:01, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
- — Blue-Haired Lawyer 14:39, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
- --HighKing (talk) 13:19, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
- waggers (talk) 14:31, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
- 78.152.254.197 (talk) 00:41, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
- ras52 (talk) 18:41, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
- Sarah777 (talk) 22:13, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
- 86.44.111.162 (talk) 18:29, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
- Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:20, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
- BastunBaStun not BaTsun 21:43, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
- Robertbyrne (talk) 22:23, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
- ~Asarlaí 16:47, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- SarekOfVulcan (talk) 14:28, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- Ω ENGLISH LOCK Ω 13:24, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Users who oppose proposition 6
editProposition 7
editThe following statement was true in 1998: "Lough Neagh is a lake in Ireland"
Users who endorse proposition 7
edit- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:57, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- User:Jeanne boleyn
- Mooretwin (talk) 09:08, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- Kittybrewster ☎ 10:08, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- Nuclare (talk)
- Rockpocket 20:40, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- MusicInTheHouse (talk) 23:23, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- --Snowded (talk) 06:22, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
- RashersTierney (talk) 10:50, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
- ClemMcGann (talk) 14:01, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
- — Blue-Haired Lawyer 14:39, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
- --HighKing (talk) 13:19, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
- 78.152.254.197 (talk) 00:41, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
- ras52 (talk) 18:41, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
- 86.44.111.162 (talk) 18:29, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
- Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:20, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
- BastunBaStun not BaTsun 21:44, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
- Jaqian (talk) 14:14, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- BigDuncTalk 15:12, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
- ~Asarlaí 16:47, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- SarekOfVulcan (talk) 14:29, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- Ω ENGLISH LOCK Ω 13:24, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Users who oppose proposition 7
editProposition 8
editThe following statement was true in 1798: "Lough Neagh is a lake in Ireland"
Users who endorse proposition 8
edit- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:57, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- User:Jeanne boleyn
- Mooretwin (talk) 09:08, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- Kittybrewster ☎ 10:09, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- Nuclare (talk)
- --Snowded (talk) 12:38, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- Rockpocket 20:40, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- MusicInTheHouse (talk) 23:23, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- RashersTierney (talk) 10:50, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
- ClemMcGann (talk) 14:02, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
- — Blue-Haired Lawyer 14:39, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
- --HighKing (talk) 13:19, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
- 78.152.254.197 (talk) 00:41, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
- ras52 (talk) 18:41, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
- 86.44.111.162 (talk) 18:30, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
- Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:20, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
- BastunBaStun not BaTsun 21:44, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
- Jaqian (talk) 14:14, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- BigDuncTalk 15:11, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
- ~Asarlaí 16:47, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- SarekOfVulcan (talk) 14:29, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- Ω ENGLISH LOCK Ω 13:25, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Users who oppose proposition 8
editProposition 9
editThe following statement has always been false: "Lough Neagh is a lake in Ireland"
Users who endorse proposition 9
editUsers who oppose proposition 9
edit- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:57, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- User:Jeanne boleyn
- Mooretwin (talk) 09:08, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- Kittybrewster ☎ 10:09, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- Nuclare (talk)
- --Snowded (talk) 12:38, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- Rockpocket 20:40, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- MusicInTheHouse (talk) 23:23, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- RashersTierney (talk) 10:53, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
- ClemMcGann (talk) 14:02, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
- — Blue-Haired Lawyer 14:39, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
- --HighKing (talk) 13:19, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
- 78.152.254.197 (talk) 00:40, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
- ras52 (talk) 18:41, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
- Sarah777 (talk) 22:17, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
- 86.44.111.162 (talk) 18:20, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
- Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:20, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
- BastunBaStun not BaTsun 21:45, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
- Jaqian (talk) 14:19, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- BigDuncTalk 15:11, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
- Robertbyrne (talk) 22:24, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
- ~Asarlaí 16:47, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- SarekOfVulcan (talk) 14:30, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- Ω ENGLISH LOCK Ω 13:25, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Proposition 10
editAn event which happened in Belfast in 1890 could accurately be described as having happened in Ireland
Users who endorse proposition 10
edit- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:57, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- User:Jeanne boleyn
- Mooretwin (talk) 09:09, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- Kittybrewster ☎ 10:09, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- Nuclare (talk)
- Rockpocket 20:40, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- MusicInTheHouse (talk) 23:23, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- --Snowded (talk) 06:23, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
- RashersTierney (talk) 10:54, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
- ClemMcGann (talk) 14:04, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
- waggers (talk) 23:14, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
- — Blue-Haired Lawyer 14:39, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
- --HighKing (talk) 13:19, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
- 78.152.254.197 (talk) 00:40, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
- ras52 (talk) 18:41, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
- Sarah777 (talk) 22:18, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
- 86.44.111.162 (talk) 18:20, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
- Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:20, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
- BastunBaStun not BaTsun 21:45, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
- Jaqian (talk) 14:15, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- BigDuncTalk 15:10, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
- ~Asarlaí 16:47, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- SarekOfVulcan (talk) 14:30, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- Ω ENGLISH LOCK Ω 13:25, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Users who oppose proposition 10
editProposition 11
editAn event which happened in Belfast in 2008 could accurately be described as having happened in Ireland
Users who endorse proposition 11
edit- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:57, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- Mooretwin (talk) 09:09, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- Kittybrewster ☎ 10:10, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- Nuclare (talk)
- --Snowded (talk) 12:39, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- MusicInTheHouse (talk) 23:23, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- ClemMcGann (talk) 14:06, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
- — Blue-Haired Lawyer 14:39, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
- 78.152.254.197 (talk) 00:39, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
- ras52 (talk) 18:41, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
- 86.44.111.162 (talk) 18:20, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
- depends on context. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:20, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
- BastunBaStun not BaTsun 21:46, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
- Jaqian (talk) 14:18, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
- BigDuncTalk 15:10, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
- ~Asarlaí 16:47, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- Ω ENGLISH LOCK Ω 13:26, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Users who oppose proposition 11
edit- User:Jeanne boleyn Off topic text added by Jeanne boleyn was removed from this section by Gnevin. This may lead to a confusing flow in this section's text. For the original text see [2].
- waggers (talk) 23:00, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
- --HighKing (talk) 13:19, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
- Sarah777 (talk) 22:18, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
- True, but creates too many ambiguities to be useful.--Scott Mac (Doc) 15:43, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
- SarekOfVulcan (talk) 14:31, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Proposition 12
editA person born in the Bogside area of Derry in 1950 was born in Ireland
Users who endorse proposition 12
edit- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:57, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- User:Jeanne boleyn In principal, I endorse it.
- Mooretwin (talk) 09:10, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- Kittybrewster ☎ 10:11, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- Nuclare (talk)
- MusicInTheHouse (talk) 23:23, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- --Snowded (talk) 06:24, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
- ClemMcGann (talk) 14:07, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
- — Blue-Haired Lawyer 14:39, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
- 78.152.254.197 (talk) 00:39, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
- ras52 (talk) 18:41, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
- 86.44.111.162 (talk) 18:20, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
- BastunBaStun not BaTsun 21:46, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
- BigDuncTalk 15:10, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
- ~Asarlaí 16:47, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- Ω ENGLISH LOCK Ω 13:28, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Users who oppose proposition 12
edit- waggers (talk) 23:11, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
- True, but creates to many ambiguities to be useful.--Scott Mac (Doc) 15:44, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
- per preceding Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:20, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
- per preceding SarekOfVulcan (talk) 14:32, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Proposition 13
editWhen Ireland was partitioned under the Government of Ireland Act 1920, Omagh ceased to be a town in Ireland
Users who endorse proposition 13
edit- User:Jeanne boleyn. Off topic text added by Jeanne boleyn was removed from this section by Gnevin. This may lead to a confusing flow in this section's text. For the original text see [3].
- MusicInTheHouse (talk) 23:23, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- waggers (talk) 23:08, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
- --HighKing (talk) 13:19, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
- Sarah777 (talk) 22:20, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Users who oppose proposition 13
edit- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:57, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- Mooretwin (talk) 09:10, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- Kittybrewster ☎ 10:11, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- Nuclare (talk)
- --Snowded (talk) 12:39, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- — Blue-Haired Lawyer 14:39, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
- 78.152.254.197 (talk) 00:38, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
- ras52 (talk) 18:41, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
- 86.44.111.162 (talk) 18:20, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
- False, taken one way, but creates too many ambiguities to be useful.--Scott Mac (Doc) 15:46, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
- Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:15, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
- BastunBaStun not BaTsun 21:47, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
- BigDuncTalk 15:09, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
- Robertbyrne (talk) 22:25, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
- ~Asarlaí 16:47, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
- SarekOfVulcan (talk) 14:34, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- Ω ENGLISH LOCK Ω 13:28, 8 June 2009 (UTC)