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Jadran (training ship)

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This article is unusual for me, in that it is about a sail training ship, not a warship. Jadran was commissioned in the early 1930s for the Yugoslav Royal Navy, served with the Italians in a training role after she was captured by them in WWII, and was restored to socialist Yugoslavia following the war. She remained in Yugoslav hands until the wars in the 90s, and is now part of the Montenegrin Navy. Her ownership remains disputed between Croatia and Montenegro. The article recently passed GAN, and has been further expanded using a Serbo-Croatian journal article handily located by Tomobe03 during the GAN review. Have at it. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 01:37, 26 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Buidhe. The Bundesarchiv caption says "Jugoslawien, Bucht von Kotor (?).- erbeutete Schiffe der jugoslawischen Kriegsmarine, Segelschiff (Schulschiff ?); PK 691" This translates as "Yugoslavia, Bay of Kotor (?).- captured ships of the Yugoslav Navy, Sailing ship (training ship?) PK 691". I have no idea what PK 691 means, but according to Freivogel there was only one three-masted sailing ship of this size in the Yugoslav Navy in April 1941, and it was Jadran, which was captured in the Bay of Kotor. For additional confirmation, it is possible to compare the shape of the ship in this image with the infobox image and visually confirm they are the same ship. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:22, 26 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Just to cut in a bit here - PK 691 means Propaganda-Kompanie 691 and identifies no ship.--Tomobe03 (talk) 07:53, 26 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Of course, thanks Tomobe03! Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 09:56, 26 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Nick-D

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I suspect that this is the first article on a sail training ship to be nominated for A-class status. The last sentence of the lead is very on-theme for articles on the poor Yugoslav Royal Navy!

  • Can the background note why a sail training ship was needed? This is implied as being a necessity, but the rationale isn't clear.
Sure, detail added. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 07:13, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The remaining funds were to be obtained via loans and German World War I reparations to the Kingdom of Serbia, the territory of which was now part of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia" - I'd suggest moving this to after the first sentence of this para as it seems out of place at present
Good idea, done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:06, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • The first sentence of the first para of the 'Interwar period' section is over-complex
Split. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:06, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The overhaul and major repairs were completed on 17 December 1948 ... The rebuild was completed in mid-1949" - this is bit confusing.
I tried to clarify this. They still had to make spares and add some items. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:06, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Good idea. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:06, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why does Montenegro want to retain the ship? It seems a luxury for a small navy, and the various uses she's been put to suggest they're having trouble using her in the intended role (and/or financing this). Nick-D (talk) 11:01, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Probably a combination of nationalism and stubbornness, but I haven't found that in the sources. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:06, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. Nick-D (talk) 08:48, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Nick, will crack on with this shortly. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:27, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for taking a look, Nick, see what you think of the responses. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:06, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Those changes look good, and I'm pleased to support this nomination. As a slight aside, the photo of the ship in 1941 is a good example of an image that really lifts up an article by demonstrating that in-depth work has gone into it. Nick-D (talk) 08:48, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support by Zawed

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Very hard to find faults with this one:

  • The spelling of draft/draught is inconsistent between body of article and infobox.
Fixed. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:36, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • link Mediterranean on first mention?
Done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:36, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Suggest rephrasing the last sentence of the 2nd to last paragraph; Croatia is mentioned three times.
replaced one. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:36, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Dupe links: non-commissioned officers, Reichsmark, French protectorate of Tunisia
All fixed. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:36, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's it for me. Zawed (talk) 11:02, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for taking a look, Zawed. See what you think now? Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:36, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
All good, adding my support. Zawed (talk) 09:14, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

CommentsSupport by CPA

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  • operating out of Pola in Istria to cruise Maybe add peninsula here? Average readers wouldn't know what this is.
Sure, done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:12, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • she completed seven long training cruises Here you use figure and "long" without a hyphen and in this sentence "she undertook only five long-distance cruises" uses a hyphen. Are these compound adjectives?
They are different formulations. In the first case separate words are appropriate, as seven, long and training are separate adjectives, but in the second case, while five is separate, long-distance is a compound adjective. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:12, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • In 2006, Montenegro became independent, and Jadran became a ship of the Montenegrin Navy. --> ">When Montenegro gains its independence in 2006 the ship became part of the Montenegrin Navy."?
Well, not really, Montenegro really didn't "gain" its independence, it declared it after a referendum. Do you think I should use "declared its independence" instead of "became independent"? Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:12, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • She had a displacement of 720 long tons (810 short tons) No tonnes?
Not sure why I went with ST here, normally go with LT/t, which I have changed it to. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:12, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Down to Service history. Will do this later. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 14:32, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, CPA-5. Done so far. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:12, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
G'day CPA-5, anything more to add? Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:48, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • A five-day visit to Boston from 10 July followed,[16][6] Re-order the regs here.
Done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:23, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Her ballast was increased to 179.5 long tons (182.4 t). Switch long tons with tonnes?
I'm just keeping it consistent throughout as LT/t. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:23, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • With 48 t (53 tons) of water and a hold full Tons? Which tons?
Fixed, LT/t. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:23, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • – costing €800000 --> "– costing €800,000"
  • for cruising or filming at a rate of €1800 per day --> "for cruising or filming at a rate of €1,800 per day"
Both fixed. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:23, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • The infobox doesn't include the German recommission in 1944? Btw was she renamed by them?
Added, and some additional details. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:23, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Peacemaker67 That's anything from me. Sorry for the delay didn't feel that great. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 15:13, 9 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks very much, CPA-5. All done I think? I hope you are feeling better now? Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:23, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Just checking if there is anything else you think needs sorting out, CPA-5? Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 07:43, 26 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Source review - pass

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  • Sources are of high quality
  • ""Montenegro Ship Sails From Germany After Cocaine Bust" should also have author, access date
  • Spot checks: 21, 23a, 26, 31 - okay

Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:18, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Hawkeye! Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:14, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
author and access-date added, BTW. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:48, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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