Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/John Lloyd Waddy
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- promoted --Eurocopter (talk) 15:10, 11 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Nominator(s): Ian Rose (talk)
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Nominating this article on a leading RAAF ace, "Morotai Mutineer", post-war head of the Citizen Air Force, and state government minister, because I'm reasonably satisfied it meets the criteria for referencing, detail, structure, style and supporting materials. Any and all comments welcome...! Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 08:17, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Can you direct ref the quotes in the SW Pacific section?
- Done. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 05:02, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Given this person was a minister in the largest state in Australia. I was hoping for a bit more on the political stuff, eg his policies or bills he sponsored that passed. Also do you have numbers on his election campaign. You said he was reelected a few times, the years should be added. Also I presume as it was a north shore seat it must have been very safe Liberal. Was there a large battle to get control of this blue ribbon seat? Was there any factional basis for him being turfed out in a power struggle? YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 03:03, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Tks for that, mate. I agree the ministerial achievements look a bit light on, however there's surprisingly little out there in the web and secondary book sources I've checked. I'll see if I can find any other books that talk about him, otherwise if you think it's an issue I might have to just pick out some facts from the parliamentary record at the Mitchell Library. Regarding his deselection, again you'd think they'd be something but all I've found is the fact of it in his NSW Parliament web page, plus one of his colleagues describing the act as unfair, but not why it happened. Anyway, I'll do some more digging and see what turns up. If that doesn't work, I might write to son Lloyd for some pointers - after all, his father and mine were both in 250 Squadron... ;-) Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 05:02, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Nothing more on deselection but expanded ministerial career details - not all riveting stuff but such is the nature of state government business... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 13:45, 10 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Tks for that, mate. I agree the ministerial achievements look a bit light on, however there's surprisingly little out there in the web and secondary book sources I've checked. I'll see if I can find any other books that talk about him, otherwise if you think it's an issue I might have to just pick out some facts from the parliamentary record at the Mitchell Library. Regarding his deselection, again you'd think they'd be something but all I've found is the fact of it in his NSW Parliament web page, plus one of his colleagues describing the act as unfair, but not why it happened. Anyway, I'll do some more digging and see what turns up. If that doesn't work, I might write to son Lloyd for some pointers - after all, his father and mine were both in 250 Squadron... ;-) Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 05:02, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support Comments - excellent article, just a few points:
- Would you be able to specify the exact date of his enlistment in the RAAF?
- Should do. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 01:17, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually I remember why I said "late 1940", because one source says September and the other December, so hedged my bets... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 13:45, 10 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- World War II Nominal Roll? Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 01:45, 11 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Yep, that's the September source - unfortunately it also says he was born in 1914, not 1916 which pretty well everyone else says, so I'm a bit dubious about giving it more weight than my other source which says December (Newton's Australian Air Aces)... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 06:41, 11 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- World War II Nominal Roll? Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 01:45, 11 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually I remember why I said "late 1940", because one source says September and the other December, so hedged my bets... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 13:45, 10 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Should do. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 01:17, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The mention of Waddy's Mention in Despatches seems rather off hand, and as if he was awarded it for joining the Citizen Air Force. I think it would be best if this snippet was added back up into the World War II section, and, if you are able, add ruffly why he was awarded it.
- Unusually, neither the AWM recommendations nor the Gazette entries offer much in the way of reasons for his awards, except the DFC. However, I agree about placement of the MiD bit; will put it in the SW Pacific subsection and just say when gazetted, similar to how I did with the DFC mention. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 01:17, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Done. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 13:45, 10 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Unusually, neither the AWM recommendations nor the Gazette entries offer much in the way of reasons for his awards, except the DFC. However, I agree about placement of the MiD bit; will put it in the SW Pacific subsection and just say when gazetted, similar to how I did with the DFC mention. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 01:17, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- "a seat on the Air Board, the service's controlling body" - the "service" seems to be alluding to the CAF, rather than the Air Force as a whole. This should be clarified.
- Okay. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 01:17, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Done. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 13:45, 10 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Okay. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 01:17, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm not the most knowledgable in this area, so why was Waddy permitted to retain the title of "Honourable" following his retirement from politics?
- It's not that unusual apparently, judging by a list I've seen of all those who can. However I haven't seen a particular reason in Waddy's case. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 01:17, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The award of Waddy's US Air Medal is mentioned in both the lead and infobox, but not the prose.
- Quite so - tks for picking that up, and for the review in general. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 01:17, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Done. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 13:45, 10 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Quite so - tks for picking that up, and for the review in general. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 01:17, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 05:55, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, I am now satisfied that any and all of my comments have been addressed, so I'm happy to support the article. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 01:45, 11 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Tks mate. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 06:41, 11 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Support.
- Can you mention the cause of Richard's 1941 death? Accident or enemy action?
- Unfortunately this isn't made clear; one source says it occurred in the UK and, since the B of B was over by then, I think it was probably an accident, but there's nothing that specific. The two sources I cite don't even agree on the aircraft he was in, one says Hurricane and the other Spitfire, which is why I hedged my bets with "single-engined fighter"... ;-) Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 01:17, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I would also like to see some more information his post-military career, you seem to briefly mention some things but not explain them in depth, such as his directorship of an airline - that could be a pretty major thing, but it doesn't even receive one sentence. I understand if the information just isn't out there, but if it is, I'd like to see it. – Joe N 00:32, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Tks for review mate. I'll have a bit more to add soon re. his parliamentary career. Re. the airline, it appears to have been a small seaplane concern, nothing major/public, but I wouldn't say that additional info is from what we'd term a reliable source. Again, I'll see what more, if anything, I can find. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 01:17, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Support There are no dab links, alt text is present and external links all work according to the link checker. The article is well written and comprehensive in my opinion and well illustrated and referenced. Well done. — AustralianRupert (talk) 09:25, 11 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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