Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/John S. McCain Sr.

Nominator(s): Hawkeye7 (talk)

The World War II admiral of Guadalcanal fame. "Slew" McCain and his son "Junior" McCain were the first father and son to become four-star admirals in the US Navy, although Slew's promotion was posthumous. (In fact, the only ever posthumous promotion to that rank.) Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:54, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nick-D

This ACR seems malformed - the usual headings aren't in place.

This is a problem with our Template:WikiProject Military history. See Template talk:WikiProject Military history#A class preload boilerplate for deatils. MSGJ (talk · contribs) is working on it. In the meantime, I have added them manually. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 03:00, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to offer the following comments focused on the World War II section, with the proviso that I'm going to be travelling without Wikipedia access for a month starting next week.

I only just got back from Poland and Paris. Have a great time! Hawkeye7 (discuss) 03:00, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The material in the 'Mariana and Philippine campaigns' section explaining the system where the command teams alternated is a bit unclear - there's too much detail.
Elaborated. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:17, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This section is probably too long, which doesn't help readability.
Broken up. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23

17, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
The engagement described in the final sentences of the para starting with "Task Group 38.1 sortied from Eniwetok on 29 August 1944" actually refers to the Formosa Air Battle, not raids on the Philippines.
Changed as suggested. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:17, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd suggest explaining the difference between a task group and a task force in the Third/Fifth Fleet
Added explanation. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:17, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It would be good to explain the nature of the relationship between Hasley and McCain. From memory, historians tend to note that they made a good team but had roughly the same blind spots.
Looking for something on this. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:17, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
More broadly, the article doesn't really convey the importance of the role McCain held as the commander of the most important part of the most powerful naval force in the world in 1944-45 (yet almost always with a very strong minded commanding officer in direct control of this force).
Added a bit more. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:17, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The para starting wit "After replacing the damaged ships" is a bit unclear, and doesn't really capture the fact that the Third Fleet was in the wrong place at the wrong time due to Halsey's misjudgements.
Elaborated. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:17, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd suggest noting the South China Sea raid
Noted. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:17, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The 'Okinawa campaign' campaign section seems overly brief and is a bit misnamed. It should also cover the series of attacks TF38 made against Japan in the last weeks of the war. Notably, McCain strongly opposed the Attacks on Kure and the Inland Sea (July 1945) and was probably right given the heavy casualties incurred attacking ships that the Japanese could no longer use due to fuel shortages.
Added more about this. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:17, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Did the British knight McCain in recognition of his collaboration with the British Pacific Fleet?
I believe so, but have not found a reference. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:17, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nick-D (talk) 05:12, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]