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Momčilo Đujić

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Momčilo Đujić was a Orthodox priest that led a significant proportion of the Chetnik movement in the fascist puppet state the Independent State of Croatia during WWII. He openly collaborated with the Italian and then the German occupiers. He survived the war by surrendering to the western Allies, was tried in absentia by the Yugoslav authorities for war crimes, and went into exile in the US, where he was a leader in the Serbian diaspora. This article went through GAN a few years back, and while I've copy edited it recently, there are no doubt some things that need tweaking. All comments gladly received. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:36, 12 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

  • Captions that aren't complete sentences shouldn't end in periods
  • File:Momčilo_Đujić_crop.jpg: if my math is right, this would have become PD in Yugoslavia in 1991, not before - don't think the first tag is correct, unless there was an earlier publication? Same with File:Momčilo_Đujić_with_an_Italian_officer.jpg
  • File:Chetniks_Flag.svg: don't think this is quite simple enough to qualify as simple geometry. File:Flag_IMARO.svg on the other hand is and should be so tagged, as should File:Flag_of_Montenegro_(1905-1918_%26_1941-1944).svg
  • File:Flag_of_Albania_(1943-1944).svg is tagged as lacking author info and should include a tag for the original design
  • File:Flag_of_the_Slovene_Home_Guard.svg should include a tag for the original design, as should File:Flag_of_Independent_State_of_Croatia.svg. Nikkimaria (talk) 12:56, 13 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I've deleted all the flags, I've never been a big fan of them anyway. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 07:02, 14 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • the couple received twins seems an odd turn of phrase
  • Fixed.
  • assassinated Yugoslavia's King Alexander wouldn't it be clearer to link the whole title "King Alexander", not just the name?
  • Fixed.
  • The king's assassination was partially orchestrated by the Ustaše, a Croatian fascist movement. Đujić then armed himself and began organising Serb paramilitary groups in and around Knin. That sentence seems abrupt and out of place where it is, considering it has nothing immediately to do with Đujić and the surrounding sentences do.
  • It is intended to show that the Ustase assassination of Alexander led to Đujić becoming a Chetnik.
  • "I knew that the country would not survive," punctuation should generally go outside of quote marks, per MOS:LQ
  • Fixed.
  • I don't think it hurts.
  • Do we know much about his apparently contradictory politics? Were his beliefs just that inconsistent, or did he change his speeches depending on who he was talking to?
  • No source I've seen makes this clear, although the article does note that his speeches changed depending on political developments (ie whichever way the wind was blowing).
  • In May 1937, Đujić gave a sermon interesting that you've used "sermon" here. Was he speaking here (and above) as a priest or as a Chetnik? Do we know much about the relationship between the two roles?
  • He was a politically active cleric, and in this case, he was preaching in his priestly role.
  • criticised Niko Novaković-Longo, a minister without portfolio ministers without portfolio aren't normally singled out for criticism; do we know what Đujić had against this particular politician?
  • he was deputy from Knin, so he was probably a political rival, although I can't find anything to confirm the rivalry. Perhaps I should state that he was a deputy from Knin to provide more context?
  • wished to minimize the influence that the United Workers Syndicate Union of Yugoslavia Why? Don't left-wing firebrands normally like trades unions?
  • They were communist-dominated, and communists are never popular with the church. I've added that the URSSJ was communist-dominated.
  • heavy pressure on the country to join the Axis might need to specify which country; Yugoslavia was the last mentioned, but several are mentioned in the previous sentence.
  • Good point. Fixed.
  • Do we need all the translations? The names are all linked, so the reader could go to those articles if they wanted the proper Serbo-Croatian names.
  • I retain them as an explanation for the initialisations, as they aren't from the English, ie Royal Yugoslav Army isn't RYA, it is VKJ from the Serbo-Croat. I've trimmed a couple.
  • Đujić was tried and sentenced in absentia Was he given an opportunity to defend himself? What was the sentence?
  • Usually defence counsel was provided, but obviously he couldn't instruct them. I haven't been able to find much info on his trial or sentence.
  • Was his war crimes conviction not an issue in his emigration to the US?
  • At the time, I daresay his anti-communism was more important.

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:07, 24 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Peacemaker67: Just in case you missed this. No worries if you're busy though. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:46, 30 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
G'day Harry, I've addressed what I can. Just one query about Novaković-Longo. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 07:08, 1 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, this slipped off the radar. Feel free to badger me more aggressively in future! If I'm busy I'll tell you to fu I'll get to it when I can! ;) Yes, I think it's worth mentioning that he was deputy from Knin but regardless, support. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 13:14, 19 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Harry, added that detail. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 23:50, 20 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support: G'day, I have the following suggestions: AustralianRupert (talk) 15:33, 17 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • "...was done with money donated" --> "...was financed with money donated..."?
  • in the References, I think Cohen should be before "Croation ministry..."
  • in the References, shouldn't Samardzic be before "Serb Leader Momcilo Djujic Dies..."
  • in the References, suggest translating the non English titles
  • there are a few examples of overlinked terms: Knin, Bihac, Zagreb, Split,
  • possible spelling variation inconsistency: "recognized" but also "organised", "baptised" etc.
  • "force of between 6,000–7,000 withdrew..." --> "force of between 6,000 and 7,000 withdrew..."
  • "...and was subsequently described...": suggest stating in text who described him as such

Support with some nitpicky observations:

  • In section "Early life, education and priesthood", 1st para, ...Rade established himself as a successful agricultural worker seems an odd way to put it. People become successful bankers or lawyers, but don't they become simply become agricultural workers?
    Overly literal translation, I've changed it to farmer.
  • In section "World War II", 2nd para, ...NDH authorities implemented a policy of widespread incarcerations, massacres, forced emigration, and murder of Serbs. I can understand a policy of incarceration and forced emigration, but were massacres and murders carried out as policy, or did they simply happen?
    No, it actually was policy. The Minister of the Interior reportedly said that one-third of Serbs in the NDH would be expelled, one-third converted to Catholicism, and one-third killed.
  • In section "Establishment of the Dinara Division", 1st para, ... the Dinara Division was formed after Đujić was contacted by the Chetnik supreme commander Mihailović, via a courier. The Chetnik commander Ilija Trifunović-Birčanin... is a little confusing. It introduces the "Chetnik commander Ilija Trifunović-Birčanin" immediately after mentioning the "Chetnik supreme commander", and I thought the two were the same. Maybe worth stating "Draža" instead of "Chetnik supreme commander"?
    reworded, see what you think.
  • Same para, Nedić is introduced without explanation. You're a bit constrained because he first appears in a quote, but is there any reason why you couldn't wikilink his name on first, rather than third mention? Also, and this is probably just me being dumb, not being familiar with Serbo-Croat names, I thought "[Milan]" was some kind of reference to Italy, as Đujić's collaberation with them is discussed in the section immediately preceding this one.
    Good pick-up. I've linked in the quote and added some more info about him in square brackets. See if it's better now.
  • In section "Retreat and surrender", the quote reads ...German Army in these area from September.... Is "these area" a typo, or does the original also fail to make "area" plural? FactotEm (talk) 10:03, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    A typo. Fixed.
    Thanks for taking a look, FactotEm! Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:27, 30 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    No problem. Looks good. FactotEm (talk) 08:45, 30 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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