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Article promoted Hawkeye7 (talk) 12:12, 27 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Reg Saunders

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Nominator(s): AustralianRupert (talk) and Ian Rose (talk)


This article is the result of a recent collaboration between myself and Ian. It has recently passed a GA review and I am nominating it for A-Class review because I believe it meets the criteria and would like to ultimately take it to FAC. I personally find Saunders' story to be an inspiring one; a man who rose from the ranks purely on the basis of his leadership in combat and in doing so, helping to cut through some of the barriers of race that may or may not have existed within Australian society at that time. Beyond that, in many ways (to me at least) Saunders epitomises the characteristics of a generation of Australians who, forged by the hardships of the Depression and the bush, proved their mettle in the crucible of war. I present this article for your scrutiny and hope that you too will be able to take something from the story of a remarkable, albeit imperfect, Australian. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 05:55, 12 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comments' I've added content to this article over the years, but not to the extent that I think that I'm unable to comment on it. Overall, I think that this is an excellent article which does justice to its subject. I have the following comments:

  • "the first Aboriginal commissioned officer" - I think that "Indigenous Australian" is now used more frequently than "Aboriginal"
  • "After the ship was attacked in Suda Bay by German aircraft and began to sink, the men from the 2/7th, including Saunders,[19] were picked up by several British destroyers and disembarked on Crete" - Souda Bay is part of Crete, so this is a bit confusing. I'm not all that familiar with the Australian role in Greece and Crete, but I presume that the 2/7th Battalion was being transported to the island.
  • Can anything more be said about Saunders' time in hiding on Crete, and how he escaped from the island?
  • The sentence which begins with "He subsequently returned to Australia..." is rather long, and should be split into a couple of sentences. Nick-D (talk) 10:46, 25 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support My comments have now been addressed. It's fantastic to see this important article in such good shape. Nick-D (talk) 23:54, 26 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support I had a good read of the text and made a couple of minor tweaks to justify my existence...also did a passover of some of the refs and didn't notice anything untoward there. When mentioned in the text, there is no wikilink to the First, Second or Korean Wars, although there is one for the (Second) Boer War - I thought it might be a particular style thing so didn't add them myself. Zawed (talk) 00:47, 27 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Heh, your existence is more than justified Zawed, it's been great to see another editor come along with an interest in Australian military biography... ;-) As to the links, I started delinking WWI and WWII in articles I edited a while back in response to what I saw as valid suggestions that they're such well-known and major conflicts that links were unnecessary, if not meaningless. Korea is probably not in that category however; I think I delinked in the infobox because we had some of its battles listed/linked. So I don't actually object to Korean War being linked but I don't think we should bother for WWI/WWII. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 02:26, 27 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the review, Zawed. Cheers, AustralianRupert (talk) 11:21, 27 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Image review With the proviso that I uploaded one of the images (File:Reg Saunders with Tom Derrick 1944.jpg), those included in this article are all PD. File:Reg Saunders leading his company in Korea.jpg might fall foul of the crackdown on post-1946 Australian images on Commons, but a) as it's a historically significant and irreplaceable image of Saunders leading his company in Korea it could definitely be uploaded under a fair use claim if that happens and b) based on the emails which have been sent to the Wikimedia Australia mailing list, I have some hopes that the AWM will add CC tags to these images in the next few weeks, though this may not eventuate. Nick-D (talk) 11:38, 27 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Nick. That would be good news. Cheers, AustralianRupert (talk) 11:48, 27 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
(ec) Tks Nick. Yep, something the image nazis don't seem to get is that their interpretation of the law (which still doesn't convince me) will likely result in a mess more images being uploaded to en-wiki, either as PD-Australia or under FURs. Anyway, we'll cross that when we come to it... ;-) Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 11:53, 27 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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