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SMS Hessen

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Nominator(s): Parsecboy (talk)

SMS Hessen (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

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This was the oldest battleship to see action at Jutland, but like the other German pre-dreadnoughts, she was not heavily engaged during the battle. The ship soldiered on with the post-war Reichsmarine before being converted into a target ship; in that role, she was one of the only major German warships to survive World War II, and she was taken by the Soviets as a prize. After some 55 years in service between four different navies, the ship was ultimately scrapped in 1960. Thanks to those who take the time to review the article. Parsecboy (talk) 13:19, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support from CPA-5

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G'day another FAC another FA-classe review let we see what we have here. CPA-5 (talk) 13:50, 14 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • What was the rank or job of Franz von Hipper back then in this line. "the retreat of Franz von Hipper's battered"
    • That's a bit too much tangential detail for the lead section of the article - in fact, I think removing the names altogether is a better solution.
  • Please link this words
    • Western Front
      • Done
    • Both of the seas in this line. "Baltic and North Seas"
      • Done
    • Treaty of Versailles in this line "terms of the Treaty of Versailles"
      • Done
    • Czar in this line. "where Czar Nicholas II of Russia met the German fleet"
      • Done
    • Canberra, Australia
      • Done
  • How much is. "250 mm of armor plating"
    • That figure is converted already a line or two above.
  • "at 02:00 CET" --> "at 02:00 (CET)"
  • Please put (CET) after every time like
    • 03:00
    • 03:07
    • 03:10
    • 03:12
    • 05:06
    • 05:13
    • 06:55
      • I don't think that's necessary after the first usage.
  • How much is "five 28 cm rounds, thirty-four 17 cm shells, and twenty-four 8.8 cm rounds" in inches and "The ship's four 28 cm guns"
    • Those are all converted earlier - generally conversions are only given on the first instance.
  • Can you remove VAdm I mean there are some places where it says VAdm and other where it says Vice Admiral even it's the same?

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Support by AustralianRupert

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Looks pretty good to me, Nate. I have a couple of minor comments: AustralianRupert (talk) 03:30, 3 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • seems inconsistent: eighteen 8.8 cm (3.45 in) SK L/35 quick-firing guns (body) v. 14 × 8.8 cm (3.5 in) SK L/35 guns (infobox)
    • Good catch, 18 is correct.
  • suggest adding a translation for the title of the Francois
    • Good idea
  • suggest linking officer and enlisted
    • Done
  • it's preserved as the... --> it is preserved as the...
    • Sometimes I forget about the contraction thing.
  • I Scouting Group is overlinked

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Support from Nigel Ish

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  • " While in reserve at Brunsbüttel, Hessen was jokingly referred to as SMS "Kleinste Fahrt" (SMS "Shortest Voyage") because of a warning that had been painted on the ship's hull..." Is it known what the warning said?
    • Gröner doesn't say, and neither do Hildebrand et. al.
  • "In July, Hessen and the torpedo boat V190 visited Neufahrwasser; they were the first German warships to visit Gdansk since Germany lost control of the city to Poland after the war." - technically wasn't Danzig/Gdansk a free city and not Polish? This could do with a little clarification.
    • Technically, yes, though the city's external affairs were largely controlled by Poland
  • "She and her control ship, the ex-destroyer Blitz, were ceded..." - According to Conways 1906–21, Blitz (former T141, ex-S141) was scrapped in 1933 (i.e. before Hessen was converted to a target ship). Pfiel (ex-T139/S139) also served as a control ship and was scrapped in 1945, while Komet (ex S23) also appears to have been a control boat for Hessen and appears to be the control ship that went to the Soviet Union.
  • The infobox converts the 8.8 cm guns as 3.5 inch, while the body of the text gives the conversion as 3.45 inch - should the article be consistent in conversions?
    • Good catch, fixed.
  • Was the armament of the ship in Reichsmarine service the same as when the ship was built?
    • As far as I'm aware, yeah. I can check Dodson on this tonight to be sure.
      • Added a couple of lines to clarify the changes made to the ship after the war. Parsecboy (talk) 01:00, 28 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
        • Jane's Fighting Ships 1931 gives a secondary armament of 12 6.7 inch guns and a tertiary armament of four 8.8cm low angle guns and 4 8.8 cm anti-aircraft guns. Groner should say something on this - the German (1982, Vol 1) edition also gives a similar armament.
  • The German Official History Der Krieg in der Ostsee volume 3 (there's a copy somewhere on the Internet Archive) refers to Hessen in its index - it may be worth checking that Hessen didn't serve in the Baltic sometime during WW1.Nigel Ish (talk) 18:57, 25 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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