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War of the Bavarian Succession

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Nominator(s): Auntieruth55 (talk)
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I am nominating this article for A-Class review because...it covers a wikigap, it has been thoroughly researched and is well referenced, it's as well written as anything else I've done, etc. A fun little article on the Potato War, or the Plum Fuss, as it was called then. A War with No Battles. I read everything I could reasonably find on the subject. As usual, my "quirky" citations, using CMS and no named refs. Thanks in advance for constructive comments! Auntieruth55 (talk) 20:40, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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    • The War of the Bavarian Succession (1778–1779) between the Habsburg Monarchy, Saxony, Bavaria and Prussia had no battles, and a few minor skirmishes, but several thousand casualties. Ok, I'll bite: If there were no battles, no major campaigns, and only a few minor skirmishes why did/do they call this a war?
    • More to follow (can't work up here in odessa when dads watching tv, its impossible to focus 100% on article reviews with the Simpsons Movie playing on the tube :-)
      • that's what I always wonder. Who can concentrate on anything when the Simpsons are on?

TomStar81 (Talk) 21:21, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Concern Sorry for expressing this again but I just can't get myself to cope with the following citation/note: "Thomas Carlyle. History of Friedrich II of Prussia called Frederick the great : in eight volumes. Vol. VIII in The works of Thomas Carlyle in thirty volumes. London: Chapman and Hall, 1896–1899, p. 193. The Florentine noble, Cosimo Alessandro Collini (1727–1806), had been Voltaire's secretary, and later accepted the patronage of Charles Theodore, and remained in the Palatine. See (German) Collini, found in (German) Jörg Kreutz: Cosimo Alessandro Collini (1727–1806). Ein europäischer Aufklärer am kurpfälzischen Hof. Mannheimer Altertumsverein von 1859 - Gesellschaft d. Freunde Mannheims u. d. ehemaligen Kurpfalz; Reiss-Engelhorn-Museen Mannheim; Stadtarchiv — Institut f. Stadtgeschichte Mannheim (Hrsg.). Mannheimer historische Schriften Bd. 3, Verlag Regionalkultur, 2009, ISBN 978-3-89735-597-2. The information that "The Florentine noble, Cosimo Alessandro Collini (1727–1806), had been Voltaire's secretary, and later accepted the patronage of Charles Theodore, and remained in the Palatine." is so hidden that it adds little value. MisterBee1966 (talk) 13:30, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
the quote is from the first source. I didn't know who Collini was, so I hunted down the other information, which is listed in the second source. Auntieruth55 (talk) 16:31, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yes I understand that. I'm not that dumb. :-) The point is that the info is hidden in all that text. Secondly, nobody reading the article would click on the citation, expecting to find some more or controversial information. The footnotes (extra information) and citation look the same. And even if one did have a look at the citation section, only by pure chance would someone stumble over the information hidden between two citations. I just happen to feel that this could improve if you would separate the footnotes from the citations. MisterBee1966 (talk) 19:07, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've taken it out of the citation and put it in the text. Auntieruth55 (talk) 19:12, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I am not against your style of citations in general (full cite then followed up by short citations). I guess there are many legitimate ways of doing this. I want to understand why mixing of footnotes (which to me are not pure citations because they carry additional (additional to the reference itself) information) and citations, meaning a reference to the source only, cannot be separated? I just don't get it why you give me the strong impression that they just cannot be separated. Maybe you have a good reason for this but I just haven't understood it yet. MisterBee1966 (talk) 21:44, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
When you read a book (at least books from US publishers) with footnotes, the footnotes include citations and explanatory notes. That's why they are called "footnotes"...notes in the footer. I don't see the point of separating them at all. Why would there be two sections when one will do? On the other hand, I read footnotes, citations and explanatory notes, before I read the book usually. I certainly read them before I read an article, to figure out what sources are used. So to have incomplete citations is frustrating. Auntieruth55 (talk) 23:16, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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