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The Orange Box

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As the article recently failed FAC, I'm requesting a peer review before resubmission to ensure that all outstanding issues from the previous nomination are resolved. Please note the previous nomination here. Many thanks! Gazimoff (talk) 14:48, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Check the FA reviews, I'm not sure everything I said was fixed, and no i'm not pasting it here because I already did that when it was restarted.--Otterathome (talk) 18:24, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • It is believed that all outstanding issues have been cleared up, looking through the previous FA comments. Should you feel that this is not the case, please can you detail anything outstanding here. Many thanks. Gazimoff (talk) 11:25, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If there's nothing further, I'm hoping to relist this for FAC in the next few days. Many thanks for your input and please let me know if you have anything outstanding. Gazimoff WriteRead 19:53, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Article is now up for FAC here. Thanks for all your help!Gazimoff WriteRead 12:31, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Review by User: Ashnard

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Okay, let's have a look:

  • "produced through Electronic Arts." ...? I'd replace "through" here. I know what's meant, but it's just poor word choice, and possibly grammatically incorrect.
  • What's going on with the start of the second paragraph? It's like a repeat of the start of the first but with minor alterations. Stating the release dates and formats should be reserved for the first paragraph.
  • "The package has received critical acclaim; while the individual games within the compilation have all been well received, Portal has been the surprise favorite of the package." An excessive way of wording things. Why not put "..., with Portal being the surprise favorite of most reviewers"?
  • "All of these games are built on Valve's Source engine." Built on? Are? Why not say "All of these games were built using Valve's Surce engine".

*"contains in-game commentary that can be enabled for the". Commentary by whom?

*"Half-Life 2 follows the scientist Gordon Freeman. Dr. Freeman is thrust into a dystopian environment in" Obvious reading difficulties here.

  • As I said before, the Half'Life 2 summary mentions nothing of actual gameplay. I don't want loads or anything.
  • Same for Episode One. If it's very similar to HL2, then state that. You've done it with Episode Two.
    • I've addressed both of these comments. Each section now includes a small amount on how gameplay differs from the original, as well as some setting, release date and reception summary Gazimoff (talk) 14:29, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Portal is a single-player first-person action/puzzle game, and was introduced with The Orange Box." Poor prose. The meaning can be retained by removing the comma and the "and was".
  • As I said before, "and is built around two opposing teams competing for an objective." sound so clumsy. I know that it is elaborated upon, but the phrase in itself is still poor.
  • I'd split the first sentence of "Region-specific versions" as it's too long.
  • Done Gazimoff (talk) 14:29, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The review aggregator site Metacritic ranks both the Xbox 360 and Windows versions of The Orange Box with an average review score of 96%, tying them for the highest rated game on both platforms." You're going to have to ask somebody else, but I think a WP:VG discussion came to the consensus that, while stating the scores, we shouldn't state the game's rank due to something like relative and absolute standards, if I remember correctly. Besides that, I don't see the point in the sentence as the score's listed in the table.
  • Maybe a pedantic one "Ben Croshaw admitted" any reason why you've used this word in particular. I'm not sure about the word because of the connotations it holds.
    • I've fixed this. Crosshaw's normally quite acerbic in his reviews, so this was quite surprising. In any point, it's not good style to say that an often-negative reviewer gave praise praise to this game, so I've rephrased it. Gazimoff (talk) 14:29, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • The "Reception" consists predominantly of long quotes. I'd cut down the number and length (if possible) slightly, and replace some with normal prose.
  • "for unreliable voice chat and excessive lag in Team Fortress 2[54][59][60] and long load times". Need I explain?
  • "praised for including a quick-save feature and anti-aliasing" JARGON ALERT!
  • Awards: Not every award should be listed; doing so is worthless. Just give the reader the general idea by including examples.
    • I'm open to ideas here. There are three classes of award - Academy/BAFTA ones where even being nominated is something special, Mainstream press ones such as Spike TV or Time Magazine, and the usual videogaming stuff. I like Otterathome's idea of maybe including a table, but I'd be interested to hear general thoughts on this. Do we go for a prose-based approach or a summary and table? Gazimoff (talk) 14:29, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I hope this helps. Ashnard Talk Contribs 20:28, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestions from User:Otterathome

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My section, which I may add or remove things.

  • The sections on each game seem a little random. Some sections contain information that others don't, for example it says Half-Life 2: Episode One was "criticized for its short length and lack of new features", didn't Portal have the problem of being too short? It seems odd including different types of information about each in each section. Looks like Ashnard touched on this too.
    • Indeed, in each case I've realigned the sumamry structure to have gameplay, setting, release and reception information, in that order. I hope it works better but let me know if it's an improvement. Gazimoff (talk) 14:37, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Infobox question, shouldn't requirements only include the 'Minimum'? Also consider using <br> tags to space it out better.
  • Is an image from the Portal game really relevant in the reception section? Kind of seems a little pointless.
  • Many citations are from IGN but they are not standardized, some include IGN.com as the publisher whilst some say IGN whilst don't at all. Determine the best format and fix them all.
  • Wikilink "voice chat and excessive lag" some of these words? Ashnard already said.
  • There is a lot of Jargon Ashnard pointed out, when all of his issues and mine are fixed I'll look for more.
    • I've tried to clear up or wikify jargon - if you identify any more, please shout
  • The awards reads like a list, consider using a list format or a table. (think Ashnard already pointed this out).
    • I think this is a good idea. Please see the response I've given Ashnard as well - perhaps we can deliver a common way forward.
      • I've worked on this now, please let me know what you think
  • "Valve has been deactivating accounts with CD keys" - has been?

That is all, for now.--Otterathome (talk) 22:56, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Why does the NA release date in the infobox have three references? It is excessive, consider using one reliable one possibly from a news source.
  • Similiar to the above, the minimum requirements only need one reliable source. These two problems just make the infobox look messy.
    • Requirements has three references as it references the requirements for three games. TF2, Portal and EP2 all add up to the Orange Box, and just using one would only verify the requirements for the game referenced (HL2 and EP1 are less demanding, so shouldn't need to be mentioned). If a source can be produced for the Orange Box as a whole, then it should be replaced. But otherwise, this is the only other way of verifying the requirements for all three games. -- Sabre (talk)
  • For maintenance purposes, old versions of Image:HL2-BlackBox PC.jpg & Image:TF2 Group.jpg need deleting. This is also stops them being changed so easily. You can contact an admin to delete them.--Otterathome (talk) 15:28, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Review by User:AO

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The prose is fairly good, and the article is comprehensive; the only thing that bothers me is that quite a few sentences are uncited. · AndonicO Engage. 11:10, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from User:UBeR

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Cheers. ~ UBeR (talk) 00:30, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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