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Episode 102: Visual Editor and RFCs - 30 September 2013
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- Google Hangouts, Monday, Sep 30, 9pm Eastern US time. Contact: Andrew Lih or Facebook group [1]
- Facebook planning and discussion page for Wikipedia Weekly [2]
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editThere was a showdown over Visual Editor this week, as the WMF yielded to pressure to change the visual editor's status to non-default, and opt-in. We need to have a serious discussion about what it means to have "community consensus" vs WMF's actions. Can anyone wrap their arms around what "the community" means anymore? People who have the special knowledge and time to seek out RFCs tucked into corners of Wikipedia? Ones who go to Wikimania and are involved with chapters? Newbie editors who don't even know what Village Pump is, much less the many sub-pages where discussions take place?
- Visual Editor showdown and removal as opt-out. Is this really the community consensus? Should we have the concept of "fair notice?" Why does that RFC supposedly speak for the "community?"
- The "Default State" RFC that started in response to Visual Editor, with a majority unfavorable towards VE being the default (472-117, but this is a nonbinding vote) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Default_State_RFC
- Response from Wikimedia, James Forrester - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:VisualEditor/Default_State_RFC#Wikimedia_response
- The chunk of code that was put forth by User:Kww that would disable Visual Editor by anons and new users: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kww/common3.js
- Phillippe Beaudette's comment that this was harmful and dangerous: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AKww&diff=573890336&oldid=573812058
- User:Kww goes ahead and changes the default via Javascript code: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive253#Comments_requested_before_I_implement_consensus_at_WP:VisualEditor.2FDefault_State_RFC
- Visual Editor manager James Forrester announces that they yield, and English Wikipedia will default to opt-in for all users but, "We continue to believe that this is a mistake" - https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=574252698#VisualEditor_now_opt-in_only_for_all_users_on_English_Wikipedia
- The Register's Orlowski takes pleasure in the resulting debate
- Are Foundation employees also community members? Extensive debate on Village Pump - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Wikimedia_Foundation_employees_are_members_of_the_community
- Just announced on WMF blog: ideas to "humanize" mobile editing with new interfaces
- Also on WMF blog: Sarah Stierch on Culture of Evaluation: study " to see if the programs and projects they are doing, often to inspire and engage people to participate in the Wikimedia movement, work"
- Exhaustive Arbcomm workshop on Manning case
- WikiExperts and their press release about Fortune 500 companies
- Jimmy Wales elaborates more on his views on paid editing: paid editing vs paid advocacy
- Should the Wikimedia community logo be trademarked? -
- MUST TALK about Emily's Wiki project -
- News and notes
- Gender difference in German and Swedish biographies (10x in some cases, more males than females)
- Top articles this week
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:West.andrew.g/Popular_pages
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:TOP25
3 Breaking Bad 1,094,844 4 Facebook 663,781 5 Lycos 633,791 6 List of Breaking Bad episodes 605,400 7 Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. 580,701 8 Grand Theft Auto V 554,242 9 Breaking Bad (season 5) 526,088 10 Alive 487,729 11 Undefined 483,923 12 Alive! 467,651 13 Google 400,116 14 Dexter (TV series) 371,813 15 Max Martin 352,775 16 Deaths in 2013 344,294 17 G-force 338,360 18 The Big Bang Theory 323,275 19 List of Bollywood films of 2013 320,177 20 Lorde 305,200
- Podcasters' picks
- Andrew - Conventry University in UK will be doing Wiki Makes Video project - http://pastspeaks.com/2013/09/23/andrew-lih-and-the-future-of-online-public-history/
- Emily - Generation Wikipedia!
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