Wikipedia talk:Copyrights

Can we add translations to this page?

Can we add a brief note on this page to cover translations and link to Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing#Translation? I have seen multiple people mistakenly translate content without realizing they were creating a derivative work? Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 17:39, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 December 4 § List of gender names

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 December 4 § List of gender names. Given the comments that have been made so far, it would be helpful (in my opinion) for this discussion to have input from editors experienced in attribution policy/requirements for copying within Wikipedia. Best, ^user:A smart kitten_meow 14:40, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Court of Appeal ruling will prevent UK museums from charging reproduction fees

Possibly of value?

• "Court of Appeal ruling will prevent UK museums from charging reproduction fees—at last". The Art Newspaper. 29 December 2023.

Fyi only. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 23:16, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Edit request

This sentence in the section "Linking to copyrighted works" appears to be incorrect:

However, if you know or reasonably suspect that an external Web site is carrying a work in violation of copyright, do not link to that copy of the work without the permission of the copyright holder, do not link to that copy of the work.

The last bit should be removed:

However, if you know or reasonably suspect that an external Web site is carrying a work in violation of copyright, do not link to that copy of the work without the permission of the copyright holder.

Thank you for your time. — gabldotink [ talk | contribs | global account ] 06:30, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:42, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Could we use the mbox template for the intro blurb?

I don't exactly like the use of the broken HTML in this matter when there is a template that formats the notice much much better. It is not even center aligned. For example:

How would this look on the page? Awesome Aasim 18:41, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

"Internet archives"

The text currently reads:

The copyright status of Internet archives in the United States is unclear

This is confusing for two reasons:

1. "Internet archives" actually goes to web archives
2. "Internet archives" is easily confused with "Internet archive" which is the name of a specific web archive provider, and one so large and dominate (over 90% of enwiki) that one might be easily mistaken.

I see no reason to use a non-standard name for "web archives". Recommend simply changing to:

The copyright status of web archives in the United States is unclear

..because "web archives" is what they are called. -- GreenC 16:24, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

 Done along with some additional text scope clarifying there. — xaosflux ^Talk 18:51, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Input requested

There is a discussion that may be of your interest including the topic proprietary services, at Template talk:GeoTemplate#Splitting Global/Trans-national services. Your input is welcomed. Sincerely, Thinker78 (talk) 23:09, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

@Thinker78 2806:10A6:13:52DE:7CF0:8C5E:87E:DEDF (talk) 23:40, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 30 March 2024

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'''Important note:''' The Wikimedia Foundation does not own copyright on Wikipedia article texts or illustrations. '''It is therefore pointless to email our contact addresses asking for permission to reproduce articles or images''', even if rules at your company, school, or organization mandate that you ask web site operators before copying their content.

The only Wikipedia content you should contact the Wikimedia Foundation about are the trademarked Wikipedia/Wikimedia logos, which are not freely usable without permission.

Permission to reproduce and modify text on Wikipedia has already been granted to anyone anywhere by the authors of individual articles as long as such reproduction and modification complies with licensing terms (see below and [[Wikipedia:Mirrors and forks]] for specific terms). Images may or may not permit reuse and modification; the conditions for reproduction of each image should be individually checked. The only exceptions are those cases in which editors have violated Wikipedia policy by uploading copyrighted material without authorization, or with copyright licensing terms which are incompatible with those Wikipedia authors have applied to the rest of Wikipedia content. While such material is present on Wikipedia (before it is detected and removed), it will be a copyright violation to copy it. For permission to use it, one must contact the owner of the copyright of the text or illustration in question; often, but not always, this will be the original author.

If you wish to reuse content from Wikipedia, first read the [[#Reusers' rights and obligations|Reusers' rights and obligations]] section.  You should then read the [[Wikipedia:Text of the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License|Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License]] and the [[Wikipedia:Text of the GNU Free Documentation License|GNU Free Documentation License]].
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=== Linking to copyrighted works ===
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A brief summary of non-U.S. copyright laws, including guidelines on determining copyright status of the material in the United States, is available at [[Wikipedia:Non-U.S. copyrights]].

===Works by the United States Federal Government===
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Works produced by civilian and military employees of the [[United States]] federal government in the scope of their employment are public domain by statute in the United States (though they may be protected by copyright outside the U.S.). It is not enough that the employee was working at the time; he/she must have made the work as part of his/her duties (e.g. a soldier who takes a photograph with his/her personal camera while on patrol in Iraq owns the copyright to the photo, but it may find its way onto a unit webpage or otherwise be licensed to the government).  

However, not every work republished by the U.S. government falls into this category. The U.S. government can own copyrights that are assigned to it by others–for example, works created by contractors.
{{quotation|'''United States Code; ''Title 17; Chapter 1; § 105''''' Subject matter of copyright; United States Government works.
 
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== Reusing text within Wikipedia ==
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When you [[Wikipedia:Merging|merge]] or [[Wikipedia:Splitting|split]] an article, or otherwise move text from one page to another within Wikipedia, the [[Help:Page history|page history functionality]] cannot by itself determine where the content originally came from. This may violate the attribution clause of the project's licenses. If you are copying text within Wikipedia, you must at least put a link to the source page in an [[Help:Edit summary|edit summary]] at the destination page. It is encouraged to do the same thing at the source page, and to add notices at the talk pages of both.

If you reuse text which you created '''yourself''', the above may still be a good idea to avoid confusion, but it isn't mandatory. 

==If you are the owner of Wikipedia-hosted content being used without your permission==
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'''If you are the owner of content that is being used on Wikipedia without your permission''', then you may request the page be immediately removed from Wikipedia; see [[Wikipedia:Request for immediate removal of copyright violation|Request for immediate removal of copyright violation]]. You can also contact our [[wikimedia:designated agent|designated agent]] to have it permanently removed (but it may take up to a week for the page to be deleted that way). You may also blank the page and replace it with the words {{tlx|copyvio|''URL or place you published the text''}} but the text will still be in the page history. Either way, we will, of course, need some evidence to support your claim of ownership. 

Inversely, if you are the editor of a Wikipedia article and have found a copy hosted without following the licensing requirements for attribution, please see [[Wikipedia:Standard license violation letter]].

== See also ==
* [[Wikipedia:Copyright problems]]
* [[Wikipedia:Designated agent]]
* [[Wikipedia:Example requests for permission]]
* [[Wikipedia:FAQ/Contributing#Copyrights]]
* [[Wikipedia:FAQ/Copyright]]
* [[Wikipedia:File copyright tags]]
* [[Wikipedia:Freedom of panorama]]
* [[Wikipedia:Mirrors and forks]]
* [[Wikipedia:Non-free content]]
* [[Wikipedia:Non-U.S. copyrights]]
* [[Wikipedia:Plagiarism]]
* [[Wikipedia:Scanning an image does not make it your "own work"]]
* [[Wikipedia:Spotting possible copyright violations]]
* [[Wikipedia:Standard license violation letter]]
* [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Copyright Cleanup]]

== External links ==
* [[:commons:Commons:Copyright_rules|Commons:Copyright rules]]
* [[m:Avoid Copyright Paranoia]]

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2003 LN6 23:51, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

 Done. For future reference don't copy-paste the entire page - say exactly what you want changed and nothing extra. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:45, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

"The U.S. government can own copyrights"

However, not every work republished by the U.S. government falls into this category. The U.S. government can own copyrights that are assigned to it by others–for example, works created by contractors.

Wording unclear. If the government own the copyright, does that set the copyright free (PD)? Can we use it? Schierbecker (talk) 18:41, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

No. If a work is PD, there is no copyright; the government doesn't own the copyright, as it doesn't exit. Works made by US government employees as part of their official duties are PD, so there is no copyright to them. If one transfers a copyright to the government, the work is still copyrighted; it doesn't fall into the public domain. We can't use such content (unless released under a free license), as it is copyrighted. Janhrach (talk) 11:34, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Add navbox

{{Wikipedia policies and guidelines}}. Thanks. —Alalch E. 22:19, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Potential citogenesis situation

What do you do when there's a potential unknown Citogenesis situation due to the point of reference being excluded from archive.org? The org's official website is excluded from archive.org

https://copyvios.toolforge.org/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=&oldid=693335104&use_engine=0&use_links=0&turnitin=0&action=compare&url=https%3A%2F%2Foutsidein.org%2Fabout-us%2Fhistory%2F

The source includes the article subject's official website, but some of the matching part was not sourced to the company website. The first paragraph in the organization's current website is pretty much the same as the Wikipedia's version 9 years ago. Looking through the edit history, the organization was heavily involved in messing with the article in the past, so they're quite aware of the page's existence.

This can make it look like Wikipedia ripped it from them, but it might be that their most recent page was in-part written from Wikipedia. Who knows. Since that part of Wikipedia was initially written by an establish user rather than company PR, it looks like part of Wikipedia page might have been used by the organization to write their current page. What should we do in cases like this? I reworded that part of the sentence, but maybe that was unnecessary. Graywalls (talk) 04:34, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

It can be tricky. I have seen a case where a website seems to have copied from WP very shortly after the content first appeared on WP (fooled me for a while), a case where various changes to a web site and a WP article appear to have been copied back and forth, and a case where content on an academic website was apparently not created until a couple of years after the same content appeared in WP, but the website creator insisted that they had originated the content and owned the copyright. Even if you are very sure that someone has copied from WP, if they are insistent that they do own the copyright, it may not be worth fighting. After all, WP contents are not set in concrete. Donald Albury 16:53, 7 November 2024 (UTC)