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Toning down articles

After the GA review of Tifa, I tried also toning down Squall Leonhart and Tidus's reception section while expanding a bit their creation to be safe from a possible reassessment. Feel free to edit to find any other issues. I'm pretty sure Sephiroth and Aerith might need one too.Tintor2 (talk) 00:53, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

@Tintor2: Probably, especially Sephiroth, but thanks for cleaning up Squall and Tidus! --PresN 03:06, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

Two Kingdom Hearts articles

Last year I created [[Riku (Kingdom Hearts)]] and [[Xehanort]] from the Kingdom Hearts series. While a user noted it had to be copyedited, he removed several sources focus on the two of them which are quite important for their notability since they focus primarily on them rather than random comments. I restored at least the most notable from Riku https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Riku_(Kingdom_Hearts)&diff=prev&oldid=1096367992 but I don't know if Xehanort is properly organized so I would appreciate somebody to help. Cheers. Tintor2 (talk) 19:52, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

Yozora

The newly created Yozora was nominated for deletion here Yozora. I'm not really sure if the sources are okay but I tried using analysis from gaming journalists rather than reviews which are apparently not approved the nominator.Tintor2 (talk) 00:35, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

Analysis and potential free images

I noticed that a certain editor left several sources in Cloud Strife's further reading subsection. When reading them, I noticed there was far more content that could heavily expand his reception section but rather than praise or a dislike it was a heavy analysis about his portrayal and comparison with Christian religion. The more I added sources and balanced it with the reception, I realized I could add one or two free images (I almost added a Jesus image) like a messiah figure (which I found okay considering the figure I noticed was supported by symbols similar to the ones from the game or his portrayal as an atoner. From more what I read Tifa and Aertih have more potential for this type of commentary Sephiroth is even compared with Satan as hilarious as it might sound. I just noticed Kefka's article had a similar analysis. Feel free to revise them. There is sure more material to cook. Tintor2 (talk) 21:23, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Remaster article?

Is it possible to give Crisis Core Reunion its own article? I made a brief skeleton of it in my sandbox but I don't know if I should keep on going unless you agree. There sure are a lot of reviews to work on it in the reception section. Tintor2 (talk) 19:07, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

@Tintor2: Speaking for myself, I'd have thought a section within the article on the development/release and incorporation into the main reception would've been better. It's basically the same game mechanically and narratively. I can hunt up sources and put them on the talk page if you want to. I don't have much interest in VII-related stuff, but I'll happily search for valid information. --ProtoDrake (talk) 19:41, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

I see. Kinda like I did with Judgment (video game). Still, I was having doubts due to X and X-2 remaster article. Tintor2 (talk) 19:45, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

@Tintor2: That was more substantial due to the Will audio drama, a more major graphical upgrade which had to account for a change in aspect ratio, more extensive audio changes, the inclusion of region-exclusive content worldwide with new localization, and the fact that it was two games released together. And I know Type-0 HD was something similar (PSP to High-def console remaster), but again that featured more radical changes including the original being Japan exclusive, redone music and new theme song, removing a core gameplay feature, featuring an anticipated demo, and adding new content. CC Reunion doesn't seem to have had that many changes, or maybe I'm in a prejudiced position. This is just my opinion. --ProtoDrake (talk) 19:59, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

@ProtoDrake: Thanks. I'll try expanding Reunion in the original Crisis Core then. If you find any sources, feel free to add them to the talk page.Tintor2 (talk) 21:24, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Note: I had to rewrite most of the original Crisis Core reception section since it was mostly "X says that" and replaced them with generalizations. I also tried writing a reception section for Reunion but is not that big since I had some issues with my computer.Tintor2 (talk) 01:03, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Project-independent quality assessments

Quality assessments by Wikipedia editors rate articles in terms of completeness, organization, prose quality, sourcing, etc. Most wikiprojects follow the general guidelines at Wikipedia:Content assessment, but some have specialized assessment guidelines. A recent Village pump proposal was approved and has been implemented to add a |class= parameter to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, which can display a general quality assessment for an article, and to let project banner templates "inherit" this assessment.

No action is required if your wikiproject follows the standard assessment approach. Over time, quality assessments will be migrated up to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, and your project banner will automatically "inherit" any changes to the general assessments for the purpose of assigning categories.

However, if your project has decided to "opt out" and follow a non-standard quality assessment approach, all you have to do is modify your wikiproject banner template to pass {{WPBannerMeta}} a new |QUALITY_CRITERIA=custom parameter. If this is done, changes to the general quality assessment will be ignored, and your project-level assessment will be displayed and used to create categories, as at present. Aymatth2 (talk) 14:31, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Done (we're technically custom, since we don't support A-class.) --PresN 15:26, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

There is quite a lot of discussion about what to do with A-class going on at the moment. (See Wikipedia talk:Content assessment if you're interested.) The vast majority of projects do not use A-class so you are not alone there. Might it be worth joining the discussion and moving forward together, rather than opting out and going your own way? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:59, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Square Enix Europe move discussion

Could we get more eyes on talk:Square Enix Europe#Requested move 12 April 2023.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 11:02, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Enix

Hi. This is just a heads-up for anyone interested. I've recently completed a long-gestating expansion of the article for Enix. I've recently GA nominated the article for Square (another long-gestating project), but I don't think I have the energy to do it for Enix too through a combination of real-world stuff and not being as interested in Enix as a company. If anyone wants to take up Enix, I hope I've left a solid basis of work for someone. ProtoDrake (talk) 13:41, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

FFXVI PC

Hi. Coming here for wider opinions. In an interview with ASCII for Final Fantasy XVI, Naoki Yoshida has said and I quote from a translation "In regards to the development of the PC port, we plan to slowly work on it after release [of FFXVI for the PS5].". This is prompting editors to remove the PS5-only category (which may be applicable here) but also to put in Windows and a "TBA" release date for it, which just seems wrong to me. I'm of the mind that we keep the article as if it were PS5-exclusive until a PC version is actually announced with a date, not confirmed to be planned. Opinions? (One other thing, this Game Informer interview has more context from Yoshida on any PC ports) ProtoDrake (talk) 13:58, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Agreed, unless a PC port has been announced, it's crystal ball to say that they're going to make it. --PresN 15:10, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Old 2 GA articles

I feel like Terra (Kingdom Hearts) and maybe Yuna (Final Fantasy) isn't notable at all now. Pretty sure about Terra. GlatorNator (ᴛ) 12:35, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Why are you sure of this? - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 12:36, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

::Nvm, Yuna is probably notable but needed clean ups to withstand GA criteria. GlatorNator (ᴛ) 12:45, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

@GlatorNator: Found some sources for Terra. Some comment on his first appearance as the boss Lingering Will and the other compare him with Anakin Skywalker due to the similarities of the plot. Don't know if that's enough.Tintor2 (talk) 19:53, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

:The thing is, they do not talk to the character directly. GlatorNator (ᴛ) 21:58, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

PresN, ProtoDrake and anybody else. I'm trying to bring GAs up to current quality standards and I'd like to make sure the SE GAs are up to standard before goingto GAR. These articles will be potentially nom'ed for GAR soon. It is Kefka Palazzo, Yuna (Final Fantasy) and Balthier (If it survives afd). Thank you. GlatorNator (ᴛ) 23:27, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

I'm not actively working on GAs in the SE space (might do cleanup work on the Chrono character articles soon), if anyone needs cleanup assistance LMK. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 12:26, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

:Aerith Gainsborough is now tagged as "sources exist". Needed to be cleaned up also. GlatorNator (ᴛ) 02:33, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

All articles above have been handled already, except Kefka Palazzo (At GAR). The remaining problem of the 2 GA articles are Rikku and Kefka. GreenishPickle! (🔔) 09:14, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

XIII GT nom

Hi. So this doesn't vanish into the aether, just to let the project know that I started a supplementary nomination for the Final Fantasy XIII GT since Kung Fu Man brought it Vanille to GA. Did my best to fulfil all the necessary steps, but it's been literally ages since I did anything like this, so apologies if I missed anything. ProtoDrake (talk) 23:02, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for doing this man, I have absolutely no idea about this whole process myself.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 02:26, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Chrono Cross under Featured Article Review

I have nominated Chrono Cross for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. George Ho (talk) 09:56, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Recurring elements in the Final Fantasy series

It's in the title. The article has been nominated for deletion. Comments welcome. ProtoDrake (talk) 12:49, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured topic removal candidates/Final Fantasy series/archive2

The overall FF series topic is up for removal, as no one's gotten FF16 to GA. Ironically, this is exactly what happened in 2017 when FF15 was released, too, and then the topic was re-nominated a year later once someone worked on that article. --PresN 15:02, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, I had intended to get the article up to GA, but things were so idiotically chaotic on the article for so many reasons that it slipped out of my priority pile. --ProtoDrake (talk) 15:14, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Well, that was fast- now at GAN. --PresN 12:55, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Holy hell Drake, that was actually impressively fast.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 13:17, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

@PresN and Kung Fu Man: It could collapse. I'm just winging it. The nom for the FRC said they'd hold off for a fortnight to see if the GAN could pass in that time. Fingers crossed.

Eh, traditionally as long as you still have the GAN open the FRC stays indefinitely- the God of War one was open for like 3 months this summer, so I wouldn't feel too rushed now that you have the nomination posted. --PresN 15:59, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

List of Square Enix video games

The list is becoming unwieldy long, maybe we should split it by decade? Also List of Eidos Interactive games appears like a "See also" instead of being linked in lead. Harping about "SEE" again (sorry), I believe it is original to exclude them from the list (maybe this WP talk page is better for organization discussions?) IgelRM (talk) 21:07, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Chrono Cross (again)

I'm sure people are aware, but: Chrono Cross is likely to be delisted as an FA soon. Several sections need a rewrite pass, and no one (including me) has stepped up to do more than cursory fixes. If anyone was unaware or considering trying for it, now's the time. --PresN 04:27, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Whelp, it's delisted. The Chrono topic will follow in 3 months unless it's brought back to at least GA before then. --PresN 01:25, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

I can see what I can do if I get a moment, honestly never played it. It might be worth bringing up on the main VG project too, see if folks are willing to jump in and help like what happened with Samus.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 01:34, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured and good topic candidates/Final Fantasy series/addition1

Right, it's happened. After finally getting Final Fantasy XVI to GA status, I've nominated it for addition to the FF series topic. This is just so there's an easy link for people to follow, as I'm still new to this. I've done my best to follow the instructions. ProtoDrake (talk) 21:33, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Not sure you need a formal addition nom since there's an FTRC open, but who knows. Glad to see it all working out, either way! --PresN 22:25, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Compilation of FF7 Good Topic

Wikipedia:Featured topics/Compilation of Final Fantasy VII is currently listed as in need of an update at the GT retention periods notice due to Final Fantasy VII: Ever Crisis. Now, 3 months is too short IMO (definitely cases where very important sources come out more than 3 months after a game is released), but nobody's moved on it yet anyway. It's a mobile game, though, and even worse, gacha. So... sourcing is inherently worse, and also tends to fall out of date. Anyone interested in taking a shot at getting it to GA? (A ping for @ProtoDrake:, original nominator of the topic as well.) SnowFire (talk) 08:15, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

@SnowFire: So long as I didn't do it alone, I'd be willing. Also, we've got Final Fantasy VII: The First Soldier to consider here. I can look for sources for the reception/gameplay and development, and may be able to take one of them through GAN process. --ProtoDrake (talk) 14:51, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

By rights, Remake and Rebirth (soon to be released) should be in the "Compilation" topic as well. Axem Titanium (talk) 17:41, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Given its renewed scope, I think we may have to let it die and be reborn. --ProtoDrake (talk) 18:23, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, got a lot on my plate right now but I'd be interested in helping down the line. No harm in letting the topic lapse for now until we're ready to do a good job of it. Axem Titanium (talk) 22:48, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

FF Music GT supplementary nom

Hi. Now that Music of Final Fantasy XVI has successfully passed GAN, I nominated as a supplementary addition to the FF Music GT so that topic doesn't die. ProtoDrake (talk) 13:43, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Possible SE studio structure/naming change

https://www.siliconera.com/creative-business-unit-iii-name-and-naoki-yoshida-job-title-changed/

Just now starting to get reported on. No action is needed at this time (due to COMMONNAME), but something to look out for. Axem Titanium (talk) 17:57, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

I added the logo to the Mana series

just in case anyone felt it was done without warning, I added the logo to Mana (series). If anyone objects, I'd be happy to discuss it further.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 19:10, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Isn't this the word "Mana" cropped off from the Collection of Mana logo? I don't think this is the logo of the Mana series. BD-1MS (talk) 17:00, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Theatrhythm Final Bar Line

Hi, everyone! I'm working on Theatrhythm Final Bar Line and my goal is to get it up to GA status. The article should be at C-Class after some solid expansions, but the Gameplay section looks pretty weak, and the Reception part is a mess. The following goal is B-Class, but I'm stuck on how to get there. Any tips on what I should focus on next? --For Each element In group ... Next 13:49, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

@For Each element In group Next: I think you're on the right track, you just need to get in there and do it. I'd recommend just picking a section and rewriting it- either by changing what's there or by starting with a blank slate and a few references and going from there. There's some advice at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Video games#Section-specific advice for different sections. You can also check out some examples of GA/FA Final Fantasy articles listed here at WP:SE. Once you think you've gotten as far as you can, you can list it at WP:Peer review to get more feedback, or ask here or at WT:VG for others' opinions on if it's ready for GAN. Good luck! --PresN 17:19, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

@PresN: After a week of expanding, I think the article is almost there. Does it hit B-Class? And what's the main thing we need to do to push GA? --For Each element In group ... Next 03:03, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

@For Each element In group Next: It's looking good! Definitely a B, I think. The last major thing it needs before nominating for GA is a copyedit. There's some more obvious errors of missing words ("Push Square, while agreed that the role-playing elements could be ignored", "However, IGN dissatisfied with that "there isn't a story"", "the "Final Fantasy" was omitted to keep the title with multiple "final"s"), but also more subtle errors ("The title Final Bar Line was determined [...] as it was inspired by the design") and tense issues ("Theatrhythm Final Bar Line is developed by indieszero."). Try reading each sentence individually to make sure it makes sense; you can also try Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests to get someone else to try but there's a pretty long backlog. Other than that, there's minor stuff (the infobox has the date format as m-d-y, but the body has d-m-y (and the citations have y-m-d, which is fine, except for one instance of d-m-y); in general you don't want more than 3 references in a row unless something is very very contentious and you have some blocks of 5 or 7; it can be helpful for non-English references to add a |trans-title parameter with a translation of the title.) --PresN 12:46, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

I've done some fixes. I think it's more manageable to become a GA class now. Not fully ready for nomination yet, but the path is set.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 16:18, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Appreciate the help, everyone :-) --For Each element In group ... Next 23:32, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

And is Theatrhythm Dragon Quest eligible for GA nomination? The main concern is its coverage. The article includes a "Development and Release" section, but it only discusses the development of track library without covering gameplay and other aspects. An interview in Japanese magazine Nintendo Dream seems to address this issue, but it's hard to access. I've cited the interview because the Japanese article about the game director references it, but I remain don't know other contents of the interview, especially regarding the game itself. So is current content acceptable according to the GA standard, or should editors (myself or others) provide further content in the future?--For Each element In group ... Next 05:19, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Laguna Loire

I've been working on a Laguna Loire on my Sandbox. Considering the current difficulties with creating articles, I have been wondering if you guys could revise the sandbox to see if it can become an article. I had assistance from another user to provide Eastern commentary about the character while several Western articles provided commentary for the reception. I'll create it if you guys think it's okay.Tintor2 (talk) 23:38, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

@PresN: Thanks for revising it. I gave it the creation another change based on your comment. The appearances section is mostly taken from the character list but expanded bit. The reception was based first on his personality and the second paragraph focused on his role in the game and theories involving his relationship with Squall. The third smaller paragraph gathers some impact including two scholars. The second one was cited happens to have become a famous novelist but I'm not sure if I can use such source like that. Kinda like the Squall article, I guess the best option is putting the Dissidia 012 image by Nomura as it shows his entire body. I will create it tomorrow unless somebody mentions something. Everybody is welcome to revise the aricle.Tintor2 (talk) 20:21, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

On a second thought, I merged Laguna back. I had no idea there was a good article topic so I don't think I can make Laguna GA so suddenly with my current plans.Tintor2 (talk) 22:31, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Created the draft User:Tintor2/Laguna Loire.Tintor2 (talk) 18:25, 9 October 2024 (UTC)