Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates/Hurricane Bud (2018)/archive1
Spotchecking the Spanish language sources
editPer Nikkimaria request, setting up this section on talk for what I gather is a request for a thorough review of the Spanish-language sources ... will get to it bit by bit. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:51, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
- I have added |trans-title= for some of the Spanish language sources to give readers an idea of what the source is about. I see there are a lot of sources to review here, so it would help if the nominator would add the rest of the |trans-title= parameters. There are also multiple instances of curly quotes or double quotes within quotes that should be single quotes. Also, see El Universal, there are many. El Universal (Mexico City) should be specified to distinguish from, for example, El Universal in Caracas, and many other places. I added one, but there are others. Sample edits, adjustments needed throughout. I will chip away at checking these sources over the next few days. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:32, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
Hurricane Noah for future reference, one of the things you might do is link these lesser known sources to our article on them where we have one. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:50, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
- Stopping for now, will chip away at this as I have time, but see the issues so far raised, and in the interest of saving time, please try to look for similar before I do. Best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:35, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
To check
editI'll be checking for source-to-text integrity, reliability of sources, accuracy in translation, and avoidance of too close paraphrasing (keep in mind that exact translations are plagiarism). SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:28, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Ealdgyth and Nikkimaria: could one of you point us at that handy-dandy page that one of you has somewhere that explains how to address my reliability queries? Thx, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:11, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
List 1
edit- CNN en español
Reliable.
- https://cnnespanol.cnn.com/2018/06/11/huracan-bud-se-intensifica-y-causa-fuertes-lluvias-e-inundaciones-en-mexico/
- https://cnnespanol.cnn.com/video/metro-de-jalisco-mexico-se-inunda-nadan-con-ayuda-inflabes-tablas-de-surf-pkg-digital-original/
- https://cnnespanol.cnn.com/video/intensas-lluvias-por-bud-en-mexico-gunajuato-vo-cafe/
- Double cited text (in conjunction with expansion.mx), it appears that the CNN video is mirrored in the expansion.mx text, although neither support "extensive" or "throughout". SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:44, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
- Colima Noticias
Reliable.
- https://www.colimanoticias.com/cerrado-acceso-a-playa-el-paraiso-ante-cercania-de-huracan-bud-pc/
- https://www.colimanoticias.com/la-playa-el-paraiso-fue-la-mas-afectada-por-el-paso-del-huracan-bud-pc-colima/
- https://www.colimanoticias.com/afectaciones-menores-dejo-bud-en-manzanillo-pc-municipal/
- Various
Reliable
- https://www.debate.com.mx/guamuchil/Precipitaciones-afectan-cultivos-de-chop-suey-en-Rosamorada-20180616-0198.html
Done
- Our text says: "Several hectare of chop suey crops in Mocorito spoiled after excessive rainfall." All good, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:25, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
I cannot locate any "About us" information for diariobasta or https://grupocanton.com/ ... what makes them a reliable source?
- https://diariobasta.com/2018/06/15/restablece-su-servicio-la-linea-a-del-metro/
- Article says: "The line was fully operational by June 15 after the water was drained at one location by four stationary sump pumps, four mobile pumps, and two emergency teams. Another point was cleared by eight mobile pumps." All checks out. But, I suggest the excess detail about number of pumps and number of teams is not needed here (after water was drained by emergency teams with pumps). If that is done, then I don't see the need to worry about how highly reliable this source is, although it may be possible to find that the Line was fully operational by June 15 in a better quality source. The detail provided by this source just does not seem necessary. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:39, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
I cannot find any page indicating editorial oversight for Diario de Mexico; what makes them a reliable source?
Cannot determine reliability because https://www.diarioelindependiente.mx/quienes-somos is a dead link; they do have a staff page at https://www.diarioelindependiente.mx/ver-directorio
Reliable
I cannot locate any About Us page for El Informante; what makes them a reliable source?
I cannot locate an About Us page for El Nuevo Diario; what makes them reliable?
- El Sol de Acapulco
Marginal: their About Us page is only a privacy policy https://www.elsoldeacapulco.com.mx/info/quienes-somos/ but they do have a staff directory https://www.elsoldeacapulco.com.mx/info/directorio/ and contact info, so I will look at what is being sourced.
- https://www.elsoldeacapulco.com.mx/local/denuncian-alta-mortandad-de-peces-en-la-laguna-negra-de-puerto-marques-1761193.html
- Article says: "Heavy rainfall from Bud caused the waters of the Laguna Negra of Puerto Marques to become contaminated with sewage, which in turn sparked a die-off of at least four fish species." This is an overstatement of what the source says (may be a consequence of possible contamination from sewage discharges). And the source is marginal. And the source is stating one person's speculation. A stronger source for this claim might be better. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:47, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
- https://www.elsoldeacapulco.com.mx/local/empresarios-de-pie-de-la-cuesta-piden-apoyo-y-activacion-del-fonden-1758109.html
- Article says: "Businessmen in the resort town of Pie de la Cuesta requested that Fonden, the National Disaster Relief Fund, be activated due to the damage sustained as a result of the storm. Approximately 123 businesses suffered losses and infrastructural damage after strong waves compromised the stability of the sand the buildings were on. The waves swept away furniture and almost killed a family after short-circuiting electrical components." Per the text of the source of June 11 (yesterday from June 12 publication) as of date needed on the number of businesses affected. Also, the 123 comes from the president of the local Chamber of Commerce; since the source is marginal, that should be attributed (the president of the local Chamber of Commerce stated that approximately 123 businesses ... ) Not a big concern, but the paraphrasing is a wee bit close on this and might be improved to avoid too-close. (Por su parte, el presidente de la Cámara de Comercio de Pie de la Cuesta, Joel Castillo Gómez, aseguró que son 123 negocios que resultaron con pérdidas y daños en su infraestructura, debido a que el fuerte oleaje socavó la arena propiciando el arrastre de mobiliario, daños en la infraestructura y cortocircuitos que por poco le arrebatan la vida a una familia.) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:59, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Reliable, but another one that should be disambiguated per El Tiempo (Colombia) and El Tiempo
- El Universal
Reliable, but should always be disambiguated per El Universal
- https://www.eluniversal.com.mx/estados/mazatlan-mantiene-navegacion-cerrada-ante-huracan-bud
- https://www.eluniversal.com.mx/estados/hay-alerta-en-7-estados-por-paso-del-huracan-bud
- https://www.eluniversal.com.mx/estados/reportan-afectaciones-leves-por-paso-de-bud-en-sinaloa
- This is the first one I've checked and it has one problem. Our text says, "Waves produced by Bud flooded several homes in Navolato, Sinaloa, causing one to collapse. A palapa near a housing complex sustained damage." The use of several is misleading, as the source mentions only two (to my mind, several implies more than two): an uninhabited house that collapsed, and a palapa that was damaged. Paraphrasing is good. Also, it does not say near a housing complex; it says the recreation area of a housing complex. On the other hand, this source (Noticieros Televisa) does say "several" houses, including the uninhabited one, so it could be used instead. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:15, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
- Expansion.mx
I can't determine what this site is, what makes it reliable, and why some of the citations indicate it is somehow related to CNN, while others don't. I find no "about us" page, and can't understand the relationship to CNN. https://expansion.mx/nacional/ SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:19, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
- I found something from a company's profile on Expansion here. It also appears CNN owned/partnered with them in the past (they still may be partnered) [1] and [2]. here, they discuss their history and the partnership with CNN. They claim to have been sold by CNN to another group and thus why the [CNNExpansion.com] domain redirects to the current expansion.com. I found an archived version which supports they are the same site. I guess I kind of fudged up the relations a bit on these refs, but I found out what it was now. NoahTalk 20:08, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
- From the one piece of text I've checked so far (double cited to CNN and expansion), it does appear that expansion is a mirror of CNN, so likely somehow affiliated. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:43, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
- https://expansion.mx/nacional/2018/06/11/las-lluvias-provocan-inundacion-de-hasta-4-metros-en-tren-ligero-de-guadalajara (CNN ???)
- https://expansion.mx/nacional/2018/06/13/las-lluvias-provocan-desbordamiento-de-dos-presas-en-guanajuato (not CNN???)
- Our text says: The De la Olla and San Renovato dams overflowed due to excessive rainfall from Bud, causing extensive road flooding and damage throughout the historical district in Guanajuato City, Guanajuato. I do not find that the source supports "extensive" or "throughout"; it says rain caused roads to flood, and also flooded streets in the historic center. This is double cited with CNN, but neither that does that source support "extensie" or "throughout". SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:41, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
- https://expansion.mx/nacional/2018/06/15/las-lluvias-provocan-la-muerte-de-un-menor-en-la-ciudad-de-mexico
I can only find a staff page for expreso, https://www.expreso.com.mx/otros/directorio.html which is not inspiring, as it says nothing about reporters ... convince me how reliability is determined on them?
List 2
editEl Heraldo needs to be disambiguated or location supplied per El Heraldo; the problem is, this one seems to be El Heraldo de Aguascalientes, not El Heraldo de México. Are they associated? They don't seem to be, and I'm not finding About Us information.
- Infobae
Reliable
- https://www.infobae.com/america/mexico/2018/06/15/declararon-alerta-roja-en-los-cabos-de-mexico-ante-la-tormenta-tropical-bud/
- https://www.infobae.com/america/mexico/2018/06/11/dramatico-rescate-a-los-pasajeros-de-un-tres-que-quedo-atrapado-e-inundado-en-mexico/
- Various
Reliable
- https://lasillarota.com/bud-afectaciones-paso-mexico-guanajuato-guerrero-bcs-bc-colima-jalisco-michoacan/228543 Done
- Article says "In Mexico City, the Collective Transportation System Metro halted service to several stations on its A-Line after roads flooded." All good. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:33, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
Reliable
Sketchy, will check what it is being used to source, https://www.monitorexpresso.com/about/ and https://www.monitorexpresso.com/directorio/
- Noticieros Televisa
Reliable
- https://noticieros.televisa.com/ultimas-noticias/zapopan-y-guadalajara-zonas-afectadas-lluvias-historica/
- https://noticieros.televisa.com/ultimas-noticias/alerta-colima-y-jalisco-huracan-bud/
- https://noticieros.televisa.com/ultimas-noticias/aplican-plan-dn-iii-e-afectados-huracan-bud-guerrero/
- https://noticieros.televisa.com/ultimas-noticias/bud-causa-danos-playas-lazaro-cardenas-michoacan/
- https://noticieros.televisa.com/ultimas-noticias/realizan-limpieza-playas-michoacan-paso-bud/
- https://noticieros.televisa.com/ultimas-noticias/huracan-bud-se-lleva-restos-barco-betula-michoacan/
- https://noticieros.televisa.com/ultimas-noticias/tormenta-bud-derriba-casa-navolato-sinaloa/ Done
- Our text says, "Fourteen people had to be evacuated from their homes due to rising floodwaters. A dam in Culiacán reached maximum capacity, prompting authorities to discharge the excess water. Three people had to be rescued after their vehicle became trapped in a strong water current." All good. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:19, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
- https://noticieros.televisa.com/ultimas-noticias/evaluan-danos-paso-bud-baja-california-sur/
- Article text says: "Bud left behind mostly minor damage in Baja California Sur. The storm caused multiple landslides and flooding on a highway connecting La Paz and Cabo San Lucas. Multiple power outages occurred in La Paz. A traffic accident occurred during the storm, leaving one person dead and two more injured. The ports of San José del Cabo and Cabo San Lucas were closed on June 15, although airports in these cities had reopened." First, for the one person who died, the "mostly minor damage" probably sounds a bit offensive; might it be switched to "mostly minor property damage"? I realize the source does not make that explicit distinction, but I think the text in the source nonetheless supports it, and it is less offensive to the family of the one person who died. Although not technically incorrect (since some is more than one), I am not convinced that the source supports "multiple landslides ... on a highway". It says, Se reportan algunos pequeños derrumbes en el tramo de la carretera vía larga de La Paz a Cabo San Lucas, así como algunos encharcamientos which is "some small landslides". Perhaps just switch the word multiple to small and plural is enough. Similar occurs with "multiple power outages", that is, a tendency to use the word multiple when the source isn't that clear. The source says: En tanto en La Paz, se trabaja en restablecer la energía eléctrica en aquellas zonas donde se vio afectado el suministro, that is, "working to reestablish electricity in those zones where supply was affected". Simply removing the word multiple, which isn't needed anyway, will resolve this. There is nothing serious here, just minor adjustments. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:57, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
List 3
edit- Various
Sketchy, depends on what they are being used to source: https://primerplanoweb.com.mx/?page_id=290
I cannot find an About Us page for Proceso, but it seems to be Proceso (magazine). Can find no indication of editorial oversight or staff, and Wikipedia has them with one reporter (?). Will see what this is used to source.
- https://www.proceso.com.mx/nacional/cdmx/2018/6/14/alerta-roja-en-iztapalapa-cuajimalpa-por-lluvias-torrenciales-linea-suspende-servicio-206825.html
- https://www.proceso.com.mx/nacional/estados/2018/6/11/cierran-el-puerto-de-manzanillo-por-huracan-bud-206565.html
Reliable
Reliable
Reliable
Reliable