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Applied for Wikimedia Foundation grant - seeking comment and support

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• meta:Grants:Project/Public Domain Day event toolkit

Since March 2018 I have been Wikimedian in Residence (meta:Wikimedians in Residence Exchange Network) at the University of Virginia. Among other things I organize collaborations with the library. Some notes on my projects are at meta:University of Virginia and WP:UVA.

In the above proposal I am assisting some librarians, researchers, and our copyright lawyer in requesting US$15,000 from the Wikimedia Foundation in the November 2018 call for projects as described at meta:Grants:Project. With this money the library would, in summer 2019, develop a tool kit and event package for more libraries to celebrate Public Domain Day and to incorporate Wikimedia engagement into their program. We will be hosting a Public Domain Day event of our own with Wikimedia engagement in January 2019 to get experience before starting the grant funded project. I am posting here because I want to connect the concept and commemoration of the January 15 Wikipedia Day with the 1 January Public Domain Day. Wiki NYC already celebrates WP:Wikipedia Day enthusiastically.

If anyone can sign to support then I appreciate that. If anyone has comments of any kind please post to the talk page. Thanks. Blue Rasberry (talk) 23:32, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Meetup NYC 13 Jan 2019

I signed up here, but so far I cannot see how to signup on Eventbrite. Perhaps it is too soon?

I am thinking about a lightning talk, but I am unsure about the topic. Perhaps Jersey. No, no, not New Jersey, across the river, Jersey in the Duchy of Normandy.

I need to stay overnight. Ace Hotel is reasonable, but perhaps a New Yorker can make a suggestion here. --Dthomsen8 (talk) 22:41, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

@Dthomsen8: Glad you can make it! You can register on Eventbrite here: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/wikipedia-day-2019-tickets-53454508875

The Paul is another hotel that's right nearby and a bit cheaper, though I've never stayed there. Beyond that, and you'd probably want to factor in the cost of transportation. Ace Hotel is pretty nice, though, so it may be worth it for the convenience of being there in the hotel. I'll ping some other NYC people in case they have tips.

Pharos can answer any questions you may have about the lightning talks. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 05:44, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Will there be a projector available for the Lightning talks? What formats if so?--agr (talk) 17:41, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

@ArnoldReinhold: We will have a projector with a dedicated Chromebook. Slides aren’t required, but if you have them, we have a Google Drive folder where people can upload them. Not linked publicly for obvious reasons, but if you sign up someone will email it to you. Given it's a Chromebook, Google slides or live demos (in a browser) work best, but we can work with PowerPoint as well (Keynote probably will not work, though). Pharos is coordinating the lightning talks, so pinging him here. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 04:12, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for all the organizers for the wonderful event today! I was wondering if the presenters will link to and/or upload their presentations on commons. 03:05, 14 January 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Louize5 (talk • contribs)

@Louize5: Happy to say that the videos are live at commons:Category:Wikipedia Day 18 NYC! — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 23:37, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

Bike parking

If I ride my bike, will there be some secure (i.e. inside) place to put it for the day? -- RoySmith (talk) 03:17, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

@RoySmith: I checked with the venue (Ace Hotel). They said they do not have bike storage either inside or outside, unfortunately. @Jim.henderson: do you have any tips for Roy about securing a bike around there? — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 04:12, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

If my wrist injury doesn't get worse I intend to ride Citi Bike. Or else my folding bike and store it inconspicuously behind the coat rack, which is unsecured but hasn't been reported to lose coats in past years. As for my own full size bike, well, insecure parking is a major reason why I seldom ride it in Manhattan. Jim.henderson (talk) 05:26, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Head count

How many attended? I told a news reporter 150. She didn’t put it in the published story but how far off was I? Jim.henderson (talk) 16:59, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Video Fixes

I spotted one small glitch. #16 CUNY is longer than it should be.  Done Also, the afternoon keynote, at 220MB, busts wikimedia's filesize limit. Somehow it squeaked through, but now seems to be broken So that'll have to be fixed too.  Done Magically appears to be fixed. If you see anything else LMK. Wwwhatsup (talk) 13:47, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

March schedule

Is there a schedule that covers edit-athons this weekend and later? Do any of the events have a page? Jim.henderson (talk) 21:14, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Request for comment - NYC subways

• Wikipedia:Naming conventions (US stations)/NYC Subway RfC

This request for comment is NYC-focused and already lively. I thought that I would share. Blue Rasberry (talk) 10:23, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Adding an Edit-a-thon page

Hello, I created an event page in my sandbox for the Frick Art Reference Library edit-a-thon this August. I have no idea how to move it off there on onto the Meetup/NYC pages. Any advice on how to do this would be appreciated. Hafabe (talk) 00:30, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Monthly skillshare

Couple nights ago we had our monthly meeting. They've become bigger, but in my opinion they have a serious imbalance which has only gotten worse. That is, they are almost entirely about organizational matters. Things like how well we did last month, what we're doing next month, upcoming elections to the master Wikimedia Foundation, etc. Moderately boring to me (that's one reason why I'm not on the Board of Directors anymore) and not useful to the most important audience: newcomers. One newbie politely complained that the promised skill share didn't happen. He's right; it should happen. Others have either complained to me privately or told me of friends who attended one meeting, found it lacking in this regard, and did not return.

The monthly meeting is already too long for the comfort of some members. It is definitely as long as our current landlord will allow, so I do not propose to add an early or late extension. If the organization meeting is to be shortened, it shouldn't be for this reason. Instead, we should have a separate session. Possibly simultaneously in another, smaller room, but more likely a second monthly skill share directed mainly at newbies.

Far as I see, edit-athons are our main recruiting ground. Our host organizations publicize them by using a topical focus, which generally encourages people to attempt a new article, particularly a biography of the living. The least experienced thereby get the toughest job.

Those who found hope, pleasure and understanding from the experience can go to another session with a different topical focus, and sit through the same introductory lecture. That's pretty much a wasted, boring half hour, especially when they hear it a third time. We also tell them how to find all our events (also a less than perfect matter) but when they come to the monthly, they get nothing. Everyone is talking familiarly about matters they don't understand or have a reason to care about. The main thing they need is a chance to learn more of the technical and social aspects of editing. How to judge a good reference, how to weave articles together by links, how to dispute content without sparking explosions, things like that.

There wouldn't be the usual lecture with Five Pillars and Conflict of Interest and such, as long as the majority have already had it. If several have pretty nearly the same questions, then yes we do a long answer but not one requiring slides or other prep work. We could try publicizing a particular technical matter, such as article intros or pictures or Wikidata for some sessions or many, thus requiring a short lecture. Short, thus not taking much time from coaching and, well, sharing skills learned recently or long ago.

Not quite every month. March for example is always crammed; all hands on deck for edit-athons, and in the summer many of the experienced are out of town and others would rather do outdoor things. But, we should do something like this, several times a year and publicized (invited) at edit-athons. Jim.henderson (talk) 15:19, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

• @Jim.henderson: I would be in favor of more thoughtful agenda planning that determined in advance how much time goes to administration versus discussing content editing. I was at the May meeting and the schedule was tight and included a presentation from the Interference Archive, who regularly host Wikipedia events. I thought that was new and different and enjoyed it.

I agree that people are not attracted to Wikipedia because of the administration - they want to share information. Blue Rasberry (talk) 10:28, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

This past meeting was much improved. Presentations were informative and, more important, half an hour remained for chitchat, much of it highly useful. Being completely unstructured it wasn't what I had in mind but it worked at least as well as my idea would have. Jim.henderson (talk) 19:40, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Wikimedia Foundation fundraiser in NYC September 2019

• WIKIPEDIA & THE FUTURE OF FREE KNOWLEDGE - NYC

Thursday 26 September 2019 at 6:30pm. Tickets are US$100 for 2. Blue Rasberry (talk) 18:00, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Events can be posted on the new Wikimedia Space

Would you all like to post your events in the new Wikimedia Space as well? https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/c/events/l/calendar shows the current list, and it will display on a map, too. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:20, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

@Whatamidoing (WMF): You are asking for a significant labor commitment when there is already years of Wikimedia Movement-wide labor scarcity to do orthodox event marketing. Typical Wikimedia affiliates have challenges posting their events in email, which is easiest, then choose meetup.com, twitter, facebook, and conventional channels next. Wikimedia Space seems like the option to consider after all those are in order first. Is there some reason to consider it further? Blue Rasberry (talk) 19:07, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

In the future, I think that it may be possible to take content from the Wikimedia Space and send it out semi-automagically to some other spaces (e.g., post it on wiki or to a Facebook page).

Having a central place (whatever that central place is) would be helpful to people who are trying to find out when and where events are happening. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 22:34, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

@Whatamidoing (WMF): I am definitely in support of the IFTTT-type solution to post events in one place then see them cross posted elsewhere. This has been a regular topic of discussion in many Wikimedia communities. When the technology is there, even to cross post to just one platform, then I anticipate adoption. Blue Rasberry (talk) 18:02, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

added link to invite list

Hi everyone. I just added some text, at this diff, to let everyone know about the page Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Invite list. this is the page that enables users to sign up to receive updates and invites right on their talk page!!! this resource seems highly important. This data seems to have been omitted here. this seems important to include on this page.

I am tagging bluerasberry, as I want to make sure I get some outside feedback and input on my edit here. I appreciate it. thanks!! --Sm8900 (talk) 22:08, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Question; how do i sign up for talk page notices?

these all look great. but how do i sign up to get notices on my talk page? I don't seem to see that option here. thanks. --Sm8900 (talk) 18:22, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Add yourself to Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Invite list. -- RoySmith (talk) 21:23, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

thanks, RoySmith!! --Sm8900 (talk) 22:10, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia Day 2020

Are there plans for Wikipedia Day in NYC yet? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Milimetric (talk • contribs) 15:13, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

Rumor has it as sometime in February. Jim.henderson (talk) 15:24, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi @Milimetric: Unfortunately the Ace Hotel wasn't available this year, and we struggled to find an alternative space in time. We're planning to host a forum/mini-Wikipedia Day in June, and hope to see you there! Megs (talk) 20:03, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

sure, But let us finish today's work before that (combing through GiΔanὃ's edits to find edits that can get him site banned, going fishing for Corbὲtt socks, begging Laura Hale to come back to editing, closing the gender gap in more forceful ways etc). Don't you want to rebuild our site after WP:FRAMGATE?

watch me from where you are Keilana, i have the people of Wikipedia Women in Red with me ,I hope IJethroBT will keep you company...

thanks for info on brooklyn event

@Megs: thanks so much for the info on the climate event on seventh ave in brooklyn. I am in brooklyn as well, and active on climate issues. I hope to go to that event. I may have some new activities, maybe, that I can let you know about. anyway, thanks for the info!! --Sm8900 (talk) 19:17, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

@Sm8900: Gladly! We look forwad to seeing you there! Megs (talk) 20:04, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

Newark Saturday

Being familiar with the venue, I have signed up. Anybody else? Warning; if the mix doesn't call for so many coaches, I'll leave early and return to Manhattan for the overlapping editathon. Jim.henderson (talk) 19:59, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

ideas for resources for nyc meetup

there are a lot of subpages for meetups in new york. I would like to start trying to help them to be more visible. I have already created Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Index. I was thinking of maybe also creating a set of tab headers for this. I will start working on some ideas for this. feel free to let me know any comments. pinging @Megs:. thanks!! --Sm8900 (talk) 05:06, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi. While I appreciate your desire to engage, these pages are maintained by the Chapter and you should not be editing them. I've reverted what I can and would ask that you delete the categories and index page created. Thank you. Megs (talk) 14:54, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

@Sm8900: Thanks for moving things back and getting rid of the extraneous category. As Megs said, these are the types of pages we maintain as a Chapter.--Pharos (talk) 03:10, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

@Megs and Pharos: sounds good, thanks. --Sm8900 (talk) 04:06, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Note re meeting MArch 18, 2020

hi. the NYC meetup meeting yesterday was very helpful and informative. I was wondering, is it possible to transmit all such meetings via ZOOM, like the one yesterday which was transmitted via ZOOM and via conference call?

that would make it much easier for editors like me to connect and to listen to many such meetings! thanks!! Just wanted to ask is that possible, Megs, or Bluerasberry, or Rhododendrites? please feel free to reply thanks!! --Sm8900 (talk) 22:05, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

It's certainly something we can talk about doing. I've been in some mixed attendance meetings before, and they're challenging once you get beyond a small number of people. With a group of 20, having 5 remotely connected would be hard to integrate into the meeting in any smooth way. That said, it would work to have people connect in order to present something (planned) or in order to watch the meetings, and we could have at least one person monitoring the Zoom chat to allow for that level of participation at minimum. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 14:59, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Zoom recordings

There was a conversation a few weeks ago about recording Zoom meetings. Unfortunately, I don't remember exactly what page that was one. In any case, this article might be of interest. -- RoySmith (talk) 17:24, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

The head of Zoom sent out an email this morning saying that they're working on dealing with the security holes (tacit public acknowledgement of the program's issues). - kosboot (talk) 17:36, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

April 2020 meetup note

thanks so much for the great meeetup that took place tonight. I really enjoyed hearing everyone's insights there. thanks! if you want to view the pages that I referred to, I have posted a set of links, right on the page that pertains to the specific meetup that took place today. thanks again for all your ideas, everyone. cheers!! --Sm8900 (talk) 01:52, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Location

Is the meeting near the Empire State Building? Grand Central? Brooklyn? --Personisgaming (talk) 02:26, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Symposium on Wikipedia and COVID-19 is online, you can reach it live on YouTube or Facebook at 6pm tonight.--Pharos (talk) 19:35, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Cemetery

After today’s online wiknic I have to confess delight at the novel notion of wearing a bunny costume to a Halloween party in a graveyard. Jim.henderson (talk) 01:43, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

September 2020 Meeting Announcement

Will the upcoming September 2020 meeting be announced via broadcast to talk pages for interested parties? - DutchTreat (talk) 12:03, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Meetup template

The template {{Meetup}} seems to be the central place to list meetings. Can future meetups be posted there as well? 1Veertje (talk) 20:48, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

St Patrick's Day WikiWednesday

Everyone is welcome to join in 20 minutes at Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/March 2021.--Pharos (talk) 22:38, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

thanks for the great zoom meeting yesterday!! --Sm8900 (talk) 16:09, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Seton Hall, South Orange, April 7

Some may want to join the editathon on Zoom. Walsh Library Art+Feminism Jim.henderson (talk) 21:43, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Bronx photos needed?

My project this summer is to ride every street in The Bronx (solo, masked, and otherwise corona-compliant). I'm about 10% done so far. I'll have have my camera with me, so if there's Bronx photos you want, please add them to Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in the Bronx and drop me a note on my talk page to make sure I see it. That category currently has mostly churches right now. Nothing wrong with that (and I'll grab them as they come along), but churches aren't really my thing. I'm hoping people come up with some more varied requests. -- RoySmith (talk) 00:01, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Bertine Block

Bronx Grit Chamber

Sounds good. I should mention there are probably landmarks out there which need photos, like the Bertine Block Historic District or Bronx Grit Chamber (which I'll try to write later), as well as additional photos needed, like Crotona Park's lake. None of these are particularly close to me, though. epicgenius (talk) 00:08, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Epicgenius, Well, it took a while, but I finally got down there. commons:Category:Bertine Block Historic District, commons:Category:Bronx Grit Chamber. Unfortunately, the shooting environment wasn't great, so the shots are kind of mediocre. The Bertine Block was actually kind of depressing. These were obviously beautiful buildings at one time. Now they're mostly just run-down and neglected. -- RoySmith (talk) 02:07, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

@RoySmith: Wow, I totally forgot about these, but thanks a lot. These are definitely much better than what I could've come up with. Epicgenius (talk) 03:52, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Epicgenius, I just dumped the original images. If there's any you want to use in an article, ping me and I can do some additional cleanup processing. -- RoySmith (talk) 05:05, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

RoySmith, thanks again so much. I really appreciate it, since these would be pretty hard for me to get to myself.

I'm not sure if you know about this or if you're interested, but the NYC Landmarks Preservation Commission has made a map of all city landmarks, and many Bronx landmarks have no images at all. If you're still getting photos of the Bronx, these may be good to look at. Epicgenius (talk) 15:10, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Epicgenius, No, I wasn't aware of the map. Thanks. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:40, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

BTW, this is what I've done so far. I take my camera with me on almost every trip, but I'm finding I'm doing more riding and less photography than I had originally envisioned. In in the Corona Park area about now, so I'll stop and get some pictures of the lake the next time I'm through there. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:44, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

We've got a few. Naturally we could always have better. Allerton Skate Park, congratulations! Jim.henderson (talk) 02:49, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

• I don't remember who it was, but somebody was looking for photos of Allerton Skate Park? -- RoySmith (talk) 01:54, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

WikiWednesday Aug 25 7pm

WikiWednesday starts in 1 hour and 20 minutes.--Pharos (talk) 21:40, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Swedish where?

I registered at Eventbrite for the New York location of the editathon but the E-mail confirmation says DC. Meanwhile, Google gives two Manhattan locations of the Swedish Residence in Manhattan, one at 64th & Park and the other at 47th & 2nd. So, where? Jim.henderson (talk) 02:15, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

So, that all got straightened out. @Pharos: you told me the name of the room, and I forgot. Jim.henderson (talk) 16:20, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Bronx WikNik suggested locations

Parks in the Bronx with BBQ/picnic areas which are convenient to public transportation:

• Ferry Point Park, Soundview ferry terminal in the park. [1]

• Crotona Park, Walking distance from 174th St on 2/5 line.[2]
• Van Cortlandt Park, Walking distance to 242nd St on the 1 line.[3]
• Pelham Bay Park, Walking distance from Pelham Bay Station on the 6 line.[4]

-- RoySmith (talk) 21:14, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

• +1 for Pelham Bay Park — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 16:25, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

Event today, June 23, in the Bronx, at chocobar"

Hi everyone. It was great to see several folks here yesterday at the zoom call. Thanks for all your ideas! Look at this!!

• Here is a wikipedia meetup event, which will be today in the Bronx!!
  • https://mobile.twitter.com/wikicari/status/1539369817647755264
  • Thurs, June 23, 1-4PM join us and WikiCari in #OldSanJuan and the Bronx as Wikimedia expert hosts a Wikipedia meetup/photo walk focused on #PuertoRico. Both events are at @ChocobarCortes locations in PR and NYC. More info at link below.
• Here is the link for the actual events. Thanks!
  • https://m.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Events/San_Juan/2022-06-23

--Sm8900 (talk) 14:05, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Zoom call with WMF Growth team, June 28

The WMF Growth team has announced an upcoming zoom call for June 28th; you can view it at this page:

• Desktop Improvements update, Zoom Call for June 28.

EXCERPT::

• Have you noticed that some wikis have a different desktop interface? Are you curious about the next steps? Maybe you have questions or ideas regarding the design or technical matters?
• Join an online meeting with the team working on the Desktop Improvements!
• DATE AND TIME: 28 June 2022 at 12:00 UTC and 19:00 UTC on Zoom.
  • Click here to join.
  • Meeting ID: 5304280674. Dial by your location.
• Agenda
  • Update on the recent developments
  • Questions and answers, discussion
• The meeting will not be recorded or streamed. Notes will be taken in a Google Docs file. Olga Vasileva (the Product Manager) will be hosting this meeting. The presentation part will be given in English. If you would like to ask questions in advance, add them on the talk page or send them to sgrabarczuk@wikimedia.org.

I hope this info is helpful. --Sm8900 (talk) 16:39, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Event on July 14: "Conversation with Trustees"

I wanted to let you know about the event below, scheduled for Thursday, July 14, 1:00 pm, NY time, 6:00 pm UK time.

• LINK:
  • Cmty Affairs Committee, July 14th; Conversation with Trustees
• Summary:
  • Community Affairs Committee will host Conversation with the Trustees on 14 July from 18:00 - 19:30 UTC.
  • community members can speak directly with the trustees about their work. The call will be 90 minutes and will consist of updates as well as open Q&A and conversation.
  • call will be interactive, so you are encouraged to join directly in Zoom. All community members in good standing will be able to participate there.
  • Board of Trustees is a volunteer body of leaders and external experts who guide WMF and ensure its accountability.
• To obtain Zoom link:
  • Request the Zoom link by emailing askcacwikimedia.org. If you would like to be added to a list to receive emails with Zoom links for these calls in the future, please indicate that in your email.
• YouTube video link:
  • live YouTube stream.

--Sm8900 (talk) 17:49, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

tagging @FULBERT, @Bluerasberry, the items that I have posted here are one example of how I feel our community can use currently active groups which have already created a dynamic active community, such as the exemplary outstanding events, group calls, and projects put forth by NYC Meetup group, and then use that to create a new communication process, an active "pipeline" to facilitate greater interchange between WMF events and efforts, and the editing community, and how using existing platforms and groups can feed into a broader and more inclusive approach and communication process between WMF and the editing community. I welcome any comments.

I am considering the possibility of creating the first community WikiProject to exist at the Meta website, and to make it one which would have a counterpart here at English Wikipedia. It would be to enhance and broaden communication between the WMF and the editing communtiy, and within the editing community itself. I picture calling it "WikiProject Community Facilitation." It is only an idea right now, but every step forward helps me to slightly refine and work out this idea further somewhat. I welcome any comments. thanks!!

(by the way, when I say "idea phase," I mean it; right now this is just in the brainstorming phase. the final product might be in totally different form; or alternately, the final product might simply be one small component to add some existing group or effort; nyc meetup is absolutely an example of one outstanding group, which typifies the kind of active community that can benefit Wikipedia as a whole. thanks!) --Sm8900 (talk) 01:53, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Right, there are no "wikiprojects" in meta, but there could be. There was not a decision or social planning about this, but how things happened was that instead of WikiProjects people either formed meta:Wikimedia movement affiliates or they set up projects like Wiki Loves X. There is meta:WikiProjects but not much is there.

As you are planning things, think in advance about how many participants you wish to recruit and what you want them to do. For context on the popularity of English Wikipedia WikiProjects, check Wikipedia:Database reports/WikiProject watchers. When you know the watcher count, then in general only 10% of them will contribute to programs in a given year. Look around to projects in meta and anticipate that there is no precedent for higher success in engagement in meta as compared to English Wikipedia. As an example of meta activity for a popular well developed community, the engagement for meta:Talk:Wikimedia Deutschland which consumes a budget of about $10 million / year.

I do want to see WikiProjects develop on meta and if you want to make a project there then I would support you. I encourage you to ration your time and document your expectations as you go along, because project organization on meta can consume 100s of hours with results that take years to mature. Meta is essential for documentation and development but it is not obvious to me where to invest time to support others usefully.

As always, I would be happy to talk with you by voice and video. Bluerasberry (talk) 14:51, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

@Bluerasberry, those are all really helpful points. I am going to take some time, and give those some real thought. I appreciate your insights. thanks! Sm8900 (talk) 18:56, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Isn't this to be 2PM EDT? I have messed this up a few times in recent months. Jim.henderson (talk) 14:53, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

@Jim.henderson, it's quite possible that I am mistaken. feel free to correct or to clarify the details for this event. I appreciate your note. thanks! Sm8900 (talk) 15:10, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Question re chapter message groups

Hi. It was great to see everyone on the zoom call yesterday. I have a message for the chapter, and also a question. Would anyone be interested in joining the existing threads on Telegram for wikipedia topics. There are a number of Telegram groups for various topics on Wikipedia. They are highly active. Also would anyone like to join a thread on Telegram for the Nyc chapter? I think it might be highly useful. Let me know. Thanks! We already have a channel on Discord, but I'm not sure if anyone is actually using it or not. , and as per the comments below, those channels are actively used by various editors. Since we already have the Discord channel, I was wondering if maybe we could please set up another channel for the nyc group, which would utilize a simple messaging app like Telegram. Let me know, if you want. Thanks!! Sm8900 (talk) 09:45, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

• Hi Steven! What is the exact topic you want to talk about? There are 6 channels on the WMNYC main discord and you can always purpose to add another if you feel there is a topic not covered. --Wil540 art (talk) 12:40, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

  thanks for your reply, but personally I find the app Telegram to be more convenient to use. I appreciate your thoughts on this. my only point was that since Telegram is already used for varioous other active groups at Wikipedia, I felt it might be useful to have a Telegram group for the NYC meetup chapter as well, but obviously, only if other people wish to do so. there is no rush on this at all, of course. I can wait and see what others think of this.thanks. Sm8900 (talk) 13:54, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

• Though it was in a different context, I'd go back to what you and I said in yesterday's meeting: IMO too many discussions suffer because they become fragmented across too many platforms/sites/pages. We aren't a very large community, and spreading the smallish number of people who want to engage in a chat-like platform across multiple platforms would mean discussion threads get lost. It also means one platform would probably languish in relative inactivity. Most people don't know (in part because we didn't advertise it well), but we also had a Slack instance for a long time, too (now dead). It never really took off, and never saw anything close to the amount of activity our Discord has. If it turned out we have a lot of members using Telegram and more people want to use that than Discord, then of course we can explore switching, but I think Discord is going reasonably well. It doesn't fit with everyone's online lifestyle, to be sure, but we have several active channels, have run a few events there, there are maybe 7-10 frequent users, another 10 who pop in now and then, another 30 who regularly use discord but are primarily in other servers (but can be pinged on ours), and about 100 more who created an account or participated in a specific event. I think that's pretty good for a local chapter. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 13:53, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

  hi. thanks very much for your reply. I think your reply and your comment is very reasonable. as you say If it turned out we have a lot of members using Telegram and more people want to use that than Discord, then of course we can explore switching,. I would agree with you on that; if this is even considered at all, then it would only be based on which resource people would find convenient. you have a very valid point about the existing active channel on Discord.

  also, by the way, my only point is that since this Telegram group would a totally new effort anyway,. no one is likely to prefer it to Discord, unless they specifically find Telgram easier, and don't already participate so much on Discord. so that is basically my only reason for offering this suggestion in the first place. I appreciate your comments above. thanks. Sm8900 (talk) 13:58, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

  I would like to keep this topic current, until our next zoom call. thanks. Sm8900 (talk) 21:45, 30 June 2022 (UTC)