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Current Discussions bot needs to do better than copy, wrap, paste

It seems that Wikipedia:Requested moves/Current discussions is maintained by a bot that copies everything inside the user's original subst'd {{Requested move}} template, and wraps it all into one paragraph that begins with an asterisk (*), which encodes for a bulleted list entry. Moreover, it appears that upon editing the lead paragraphs of a talk page section created with this template, the bot automatically updates Wikipedia:Requested moves/Current discussions. More intelligence is needed. Talk:Sloboda#Requested move 24 August 2024 has a discussion that includes {{hidden}}. Putting this template in a paragraph beginning with asterisk causes four lint errors: two missing end tags for <div> and two stripped tags for </div>. I edited that talk page and inserted a blank line above {{hidden}}, to see what the bot would do. Well, the bot inserted two spaces before {{hidden}}, but the template is still in a paragraph beginning with asterisk, so the four lint errors are still there. Similarly, Template talk:WP LGBTQIA has a discussion that includes {{Not a ballot}}. Putting this template in a paragraph beginning with asterisk causes a multiline table in list lint error. And that's what the bot did. The bot needs more sophistication to avoid creating lint errors in Wikipedia:Requested moves/Current discussions.

Also, near the top of Wikipedia:Requested moves/Current discussions is the markup

'''This list is also available''' in a '''[[Wikipedia:Requested moves/Current discussions (alt)|page-link-first format]]''' and in '''[[Wikipedia:Requested moves/Current discussions (table)|table format]].''' nnn discussions have been relisted.''

which has a spurious close italics ('') at the end, which needs to be removed. —Anomalocaris (talk) 00:32, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

P.S. Wikipedia:Requested moves/Current discussions no longer includes the discussion on Template talk:WP LGBTQIA, but you can find it in the version of 00:08, 24 September 2024 (UTC), just before that section was removed. —Anomalocaris (talk) 00:41, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

If the hidden note is causing issues, it should be moved from the request itself to the first comment. In general, the request shouldn't be a wall of text. Gonnym (talk) 08:26, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

I concur with this. There are times when it is helpful to add a copy of the signature closer to the top of the request to prevent a wall of text from appearing here. Dekimasuよ! 09:20, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Heh, the point of using {{hidden}} was to not make it a wall of text :)

Please update the software and/or the instructions if people filing RMs should do something differently in the future, I don't recall ever seeing any warnings against the use of the hidden template there. --Joy (talk) 15:17, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

My original proposal was to modify the bot to avoid picking up templates that shouldn't be bulleted. That still might be worth doing, but it seems that we should also ask users to avoid using templates that shouldn't be bulleted. Template:Requested move/doc#Specified new name includes the bulleted item "Why ... = your rationale for the proposed page name change, ideally referring to applicable naming convention policies and guidelines, and providing evidence in support where appropriate". We could put, right below that, a two-asterisk indented bullet something like, "Please do not include templates that expand to tables, such as nav templates or {{Not a ballot}}, and also avoid collapse templates such as {{collapse}} and {{hidden}}." Comments? —Anomalocaris (talk) 22:42, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Yep, that sounds like an improvement over the current phrasing. And obviously saying something like "Please post any such extra information afterwards, as a comment." after that. --Joy (talk) 08:51, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

 Done —Anomalocaris (talk) 06:23, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

I enhanced the bot in October 2023 to support {{collapse top}} & {{collapse bottom}}. – wbm1058 (talk) 17:37, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

wbm1058: Could you add support for {{hidden}}? Is there a systematic way to support the whole family of collapse templates? —Anomalocaris (talk) 19:34, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

It took me a while to realize that though the {{hidden}} problem was only reported here yesterday, it was created a month ago. Was it really "hidden" for that long, before anybody noticed any problem? Of course, that means this discussion, which generally is only supposed to run a week, has been open for over a month, too. – wbm1058 (talk) 22:34, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Yes, in the grand scheme of things it would actually be more helpful if more people read the Sloboda discussion and said "yeah the medieval settlement type is what we really want everyone to read first" or "yeah the English reader doesn't know this term, it's really ambiguous" and we get over it sooner rather than later :D --Joy (talk) 09:58, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 October 2024

Please move Tzemile Giousouf article to previous title Cemile Giousouf 194.219.206.56 (talk) 01:39, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

 Done. In the future, please make these requests on the "Project page". Click on "Edit" next to "Requests to revert undiscussed moves" where you will see instructions on how to request the move. Station1 (talk) 02:42, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

but the page is not open for ip 188.4.251.27 (talk) 17:36, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Do not click on Edit at the top of the page or the top of the section. They are semi-protected. Click only on the Edit link next to "Requests to revert undiscussed moves". Let me know if you still have problems if you do that. Station1 (talk) 18:02, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Severance Hall

There have been three RMs on the article about a move to Severance Music Center (currently a redirect). I initiated the first two, but had no idea about the third until recently. All three were closed with a maximum of two oppose votes, both of them by either EurekaLott or Necrothesp, and two only have one oppose, by the latter. I was going to relist this, but that would make three of four that I started, so I decided to put my comments here before doing so. I didn't use WP:MR because all three closers have been different editors. As to RSs, I believe that the last RM, again the one that I didn't start, has an adequate amount of them as examples. I encourage the two opposing voters to comment here. Mapsax (talk) 00:54, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

[Followup] Apparently, this is the wrong place for this. Please let me know where a more appropriate place is. Mapsax (talk) 00:16, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Why aren't my requests working?

I've been trying to do a WP:RM, but whenever I do, it doesn't work properly. Do you know why? GilaMonster536 (talk) 18:04, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

For starters, you have placed it in a comment section. I will move it for you. The Banner talk 18:39, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks GilaMonster536 (talk) 18:42, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

For some reason, it's still not in the correct format. GilaMonster536 (talk) 18:44, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

There was also an unclosed link in the request ([[) that was preventing the template from functioning. SilverLocust 💬 18:52, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Move the "Santería" page to the official name of the religion "Regla de Ocha"

Santeria can be considered a derogatory term and the religion, as it exists in the Cuba and throughout the diaspora, is known as "Regla de Ocha". I believe the page should be moved to "Regla de Ocha" with a redirect in place from Santería > Regla de Ocha. I'm happy to volunteer editing the page to reflect the proper name of the religion once that is done.

Also, there are several misnomers, incorrect statements and "beware of the boogeyman" tactics currently in use on the Santería page. All of this stems, first, from the name being incorrect for the page, so why not show some respect to the members of the religion, worldwide, by migrating the page correctly? Vxla (talk) 19:39, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

 Not done This is a talk page for discussing the process described at Wikipedia:Requested moves. To propose a specific title change, please follow the instructions found at Wikipedia:Requested moves/Controversial and initiate discussion on the talk page of the article you would like to move. Dekimasuよ! 03:11, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

Re the clerking bot at RMTR

I mentioned a long(ish) time ago about creating a clerking bot, and I am working on it, but I was wondering your thoughts on what the responses from the bot should be for the different occasions. Zippybonzo | talk | contribs (they/them) 17:43, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

What would this bot be clerking? Primefac (talk) 11:51, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

@Primefac completely forgot to mention what the bot would do, but it was discussed a few months ago to clerk WP:RMTR, remove requests after they are moved, and move requests to the admin needed section if the pages are protected. Zippybonzo | talk | contribs (they/them) 12:42, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Link: Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 35#Bot to clerk RM/TR – DreamRimmer (talk) 14:08, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Ah, right. I have adjusted the header to be more clear. Primefac (talk) 11:53, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

@Zippybonzo: what do you mean by responses from the bot...for the different occasions? You mean what message the bot should leave on the requester's user talk? Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 00:18, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Basically the message it should leave on the talk page when it's been contested and there's been no action for 72 hours, plus how should it note down that it has moved an request needing an admin to the admin page. Zippybonzo | talk | contribs (they/them) 08:06, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

@Zippybonzo: As a very rough draft for the first, what about this? Your request at Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests has been removed because it remained inactive for seventy-two hours after being contested. If you would like to proceed with your original request, please follow the directions at Wikipedia:Requested moves/Controversial. The third sentence can be something similar to the last sentence of User:Muninnbot/Teahouse archival notification. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 21:11, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Cool, I’ll note that down when finishing off the bot. Zippybonzo | talk | contribs (they/them) 13:02, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Move “Belarusian Peopleʻs Republic” to “Belarusian People's Republic”

I tried to move it a while ago to correct it, and I messed up and used the wrong apostrophe. And I can't fix it. Ironzombie39 (talk) 12:05, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Should be sorted. Primefac (talk) 12:15, 1 November 2024 (UTC)