Wikipedia talk:The Wikipedia Library/Citoid/Archive 1

Archive 1

Sign messages

Someone just used MediaWiki message delivery to mass message a lot of users and ask them to come to this page.

That is fine - but please, if you use mass messaging systems, would you please sign your name in the message? The message did not really come from that tool, it came from a person, and Wikipedia works best when people sign their messages. Thanks. Blue Rasberry (talk) 18:54, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

That was me. I can manually add a link to my page in the future (Unfortunately, MassMessage converts a normal four tildes into its own signature, something I often forget). PEarley (WMF) (talk) 19:00, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Most commonly used URLs

This list of the most commonly cited URLs that may interest some of you: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/P587 Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 17:34, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Installation

How do I turn this on? I pasted the contents of User:Salix alba/Citoid.js to User:CorporateM/vector.js, but it didn't do the trick. I've never used these kinds of modules before, so I'm sure I just don't really know how it's done. CorporateM (Talk) 04:03, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Hey CorporateM, I'd actually say it's better if for the moment we just test the tool as available to everybody inside VisualEditor, for the purpose of verifying sources and TemplateData. Thank you! --Elitre (WMF) (talk) 09:38, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

User:Salix alba/Citoid.js seems broken - I get server error messages for a week now trying to use it. @Salix alba: --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:12, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

I think I've fixed it now. They changed the URL used for the service. @Piotrus:. --Salix alba (talk): 08:28, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Is Citoid down?

I'm getting the Cite dropdown menu with the choices for Website, Book, etc., instead of the Cite button that brings up a form for entering a URL and having a citation autogenerated. —Largo Plazo (talk) 12:18, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Hmm,not sure. Pinging: Jdforrester. Thanks for the heads up! Jake Ocaasi (WMF) (talk) 15:32, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

That's unfortunately because of a bad open bug. I followed the instructions provided on Phab and it should be working now. Thanks a lot for reporting - please use that Phab task for the future and encourage others to do the same, so that the team can react more quickly. --Elitre (WMF) (talk) 16:04, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. —Largo Plazo (talk) 17:05, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Potential webinar on Zotero translator coding

Behind Citoid and likely any of our future citation parsing services is are a series of Zotero "translators". I recently wrote one and it had a bit of a learning curve. However, Sebastian from the Zotero project has offered to give a webinar on translator coding if there is interest. It would include basic scraping by manual code and the streamlined "Framework" (less coding). I'm trying to gauge interest, so please leave a note on my enwp talk page with the nature of your interest (e.g., are you just curious or do you plan to write translators for specific sites?) czar 16:59, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

I had replied here. --Elitre (WMF) (talk) 15:54, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks to Czar the Tech Talk is actually happening. Join us! --Elitre (WMF) (talk) 10:27, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

• The training is scheduled for next Monday, the 29th, at 20:00 UTC (more details) czar 06:44, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

Confusing publisher and via parameters?

Moved to mediawikiwiki:Talk:Citoid#Confusing publisher and via parameters?

Someone mentioned to me that this tool is incorrectly outputting values like |publisher=Google Books. If it's still doing that, it needs to be fixed ASAP to correctly use the |via= parameter for such intermediary distributors as Google Books, YouTube, Project Gutenberg, PubMed, JSTOR, etc. (if it hasn't been fixed in this regard already). I don't use VE, so I'm not even sure how to test this.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  20:17, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Centralize

I would recommend moving Citoid issue reporting to a more centralized location, perhaps the Mediawiki page? Otherwise the issues are even less likely to get attention czar 10:12, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

One natural venue is WP:Visual Editor/Feadback. That it the specific Visual Editor page, and is likely to get the attention of people involved in Citoid as well. There is only 20 odd people linking to my non VE version. --Salix alba (talk): 14:24, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

Except probably spelled "feedback". Heh.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  20:17, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

For others' convenience: Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:18, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

On reflection, I'm not convinced that's a good venue. Not everyone who uses Citoid is using VE. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:04, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Url

When a pmid is provided a url is not also needed. Wondering if this can be fixed? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 08:48, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

@Doc James, my understanding is that the citation should use both, per the examples at Template:Cite journal. If the url field should be disabled when a pmid is specified, that's best discussed at the template's talk page, as Citoid only follows suit. czar 15:17, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Google Books pages not understood

Unlike my favorite tool, https://reftag.appspot.com , Citoid does not seem to understand Google Book page parameter, which has to be added manually. Compare: my manual fix of Google Book ref, and the better code generated by reftag: [1]. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:33, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

Track at T113262 czar 15:20, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

It hasn't worked for me for months

Moved to User talk:Salix alba/Citoid

 – czar 15:25, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

New translators

How often are new Zotero translators (and updates to existing ones) added to Citoid? Is it done automatically, or do we need to post a request somewhere? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:16, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

It's manual: Post a ticket à la T137950/T158675. You can also check current translator compatibility at this link. Side note: There is a ticket related to automatic deployment of changes at T91646. czar 18:11, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Metadata

Where does Citoid draw its data from? [https:// moz.com/learn/seo/meta-description Meta description tags]? I've had a look at the source code but can't quite work it out. — Hugh 22:48, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

@Hl, it's based on the citation manager Zotero's technology. Zotero scrapes websites for pre-packaged metadata (not working with Citoid) or user-submitted "translators" (site-specific scrapers written in JavaScript). czar 22:55, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

Assistance request: Enabling citoid templates on Wikiversity

Hi, I'm trying to enable Citoid templates on Wikiversity (discussion). The configuration process is slightly beyond my technical expertise. Would someone from Wikipedia be able to help me to make sure I don't break anything? Secifically, I need to enable the ability to autogenerate the {{cite journal}} from a DOI and PMID code. T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)^talk 11:36, 22 October 2017 (UTC)