Wikipedia talk:Transclude text

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I support more transclusion than we do now, but the devil is in the details. G-guy did some related work on templates; see WT:Summary style. - Dan Dank55 (talk)(mistakes) 02:45, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

I created a recent one that is being used on several articles. Wikipedia:Accessibility TT lead section - Note the use of show/hide. On one article we have it defaulted to show and defaulted to hide on the others. I think this might be a good way to go as the primary guideline have have it shown, and other guidelines can have a summary, with details expandable. Morphh ^(talk) 19:00, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

A solution to the Balkanization problem

Many more editors are likely to monitor the main MOS pages, but may forget to monitor the TT. So an editor could make a small change that effects multiple MOS pages, without the normal oversite involved with changing an MOS page. If use of TT becomes used more often, we should consider ways to better inform the MOS pages that are linked. Perhaps a bot or something. Morphh ^(talk) 16:39, 05 October 2008 (UTC)

Oy!

This is terrible. I'm trying to clean up Wikipedia:MOS#First_sentences, and just finding the text is a frickin' treasure hunt. How are editors supposed to deal with this? (More of my opinion at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style#MOS_or_video_game.3F.)

Every editor knows how to edit a page (unless it makes use of this “experimental solution”), and how to make a link. Just put the guideline in one place and link to it from others.

Now if anyone can untie this knotted spaghetti, would you please just clean up the section I mentioned above? —Michael Z. 2008-11-09 18:38 z

Yes, there is a learning curve and that can be frustrating. I am not sure what you have in mind with regard to "clean up" of the First sentences text, but you can do it here Wikipedia:Lead_section_TT_first_sentence_content#TRANSCLUDE TEXT and here Wikipedia:Lead_section_TT_first_sentence_format#TRANSCLUDE TEXT. Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 22:40, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

With regard to your "Just put the guideline in one place and link to it from others" suggestion: the reality is that folks edit the page they are on regardless of whether there is a link. The result: Balkanization. Using transclude text solves that problem. Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 23:12, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Request for Comment

It is proposed that summaries of articles be kept in a subpage ~/Sum and that a (to-be-written) template transcludes the summary into (a) the lead after the first paragraph and (b) any other article that needs to summarize the article. Please comment at Wikipedia_talk:Lead_section#Proposal_for_a_new_template_and_/Sum_summary_pages.

Hpvpp (talk) 08:03, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Compare it to the template documentation page pattern

The template documentation page pattern is really easy to understand after you try to edit the entire page & find no doc text there. :) The first time I edited a template page, that's what I did! Then I went back to view the template page, saw the notes about the transcluded documentation text and then went to edit it. So, I had no problem after my initial misstep.

Since quite a few editors are used to that template documentation layout anyway, why not adapt it to the MoS? Thanks and I hope this helps! --Geekdiva (talk) 02:13, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

And just now, for the first time, I skimmed relevant help pages to find possibly helpful links to add here (see below). Doing so reminded me that I was able to edit the transcluded documentation subpages all this time with the only guidance being the few bits of info in the layout.

In this example, the content of file B is transcluded into the document A.

I also realized, looking at how old some of the above comments on this page are, that I don't know if this project is still active. I think using TT (transcluded text) for documentation makes sense but not for articles' body text in general. --Geekdiva (talk) 03:39, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

• Transclusion - good intro to the general concept
• Wikipedia:Transclusion - compare and contrast with Wikipedia:Substitution
• Help:A quick guide to templates
• Wikipedia:Template documentation
• Wikipedia:Template messages § Related pages for specific types of templates - interesting examples, such as:
  • Wikipedia:Hatnote and Template:Hatnote templates documentation - documentation for hatnotes.
• Wikipedia:Template standardisation - to create a coherent theme for templates across Wikipedia.
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Templates - WikiProject for template standardisation.
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Inline Templates - earlier WikiProject for template standardisation.

Permission to redirect or delete

Butwhatdoiknow, the original author of (and primary contributor to) this essay, has given the OK to remove the essay. I’m redirecting for now because, at present, entering wp:transc into the search field generates no dropdown results that point to Help:Transclusion, a very likely intended destination. —jameslucas ^{▄▄▄ ▄ ▄▄▄ ▄▄▄ ▄} 12:24, 22 February 2021 (UTC)