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Image query

Hello all. I currently have Teddy Wynyard (Old Carthusians 1881 FA Cup winner) at FAC. A reviewer is wondering when/where the following picture was published. Would anyone have any ideas, perhaps a book?

AA (talk) 22:30, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

That picture is on page 25 (and the front cover) of “The Early FA Cup Finals” by Keith Warsop, published by SoccerData 2004 Daemonickangaroo2018 (talk) 10:37, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

ISBN: 9781899468782 ColchesterSid (talk) 10:49, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

The book is one of the sources cited in the article. Daemonickangaroo2018 (talk) 11:01, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

I believe the question that AssociateAffiliate is really asking is where it was first published. If it was never published anywhere prior to 2004 then it isn't necessarily copyright-free and potentially can't be used in the article in question...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:38, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

In the Acknowledgements section of the book, the author says that the picture is used “by kind permission of the Governing Body of Charterhouse” so it looks like the Copyright belongs to them. Daemonickangaroo2018 (talk) 17:13, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Cheers, thanks for finding this. I will try and find an email and see if they will give permission for us to use it. AA (talk) 17:29, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

I've seen this credited to Epilogue to "The Old Vale and Its Memories", published in 1929. Hack (talk) 02:59, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

That book is not available through archive.org but there's links to downloads of it (in various formats) here however they don't seem to work. @AssociateAffiliate: - might be worth contacting the site (contact details here).......? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:33, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

That's a dead end. The Facebook post that mentioned it is actually referring to text from the book. Hack (talk) 01:44, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Cieran Slicker edits be User GiantSnowman

I've made well intended edits to Cieran Slicker. User:GiantSnowman seems determined to demonise the edits, twice so far (and 3rd time ready to happen at any moment), labelling the edits as unconstructive and vandalism. Constructive critique is one thing, why GiantSnowman is driven to take such a negative attitude to this I am unable to comprehend. I know anyone can have a bad day, the persistence of the negativity suggests though GiantSnowman is having more than just a bad day. The edits I added are more informative and use less verbose language.

If this is the life of a wikpedia editor, you can keep it. Whatever you decide among you, adios amigos and all the best to you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 42.200.192.109 (talk) 02:44, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

GiantSnowman’s wording is inline with the article standards for football players across Wikipedia to be fair.

Reverting the article to the wording used by GiantSnowman would be done by most associated with WikiProject Football.

Your Edit:

Cieran Peter Slicker (born 15 September 2002) is a professional football goalkeeper. He is contracted to Premier League club Ipswich Town until 2028.

GiantSnowman’s Edit:

Cieran Peter Slicker (born 15 September 2002) is a professional footballer who plays as a goalkeeper for Premier League club Ipswich Town. Josh (talk) 05:18, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

@GiantSnowman Josh (talk) 05:18, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

I have explained the reasons for reverting the changes on my talk page. The IP reverting against MOS and accusing me of vandalism is concerning. GiantSnowman 07:30, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

The initial edit was not vandalism though, which is how you labelled it. Spike 'em (talk) 08:34, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Fair point, apologies to the IP for that. GiantSnowman 08:39, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

National football team seasons

Is there a consensus to keep yearly pages for all national football teams? Now we have 1950 Saarland national football team 1951 Saarland national football team 1952 Saarland national football team 1954 Saarland national football team 1955 Saarland national football team 1956 Saarland national football team - this seems quite overly detailed to me. We have some national team results by decade, isn't that enough? Geschichte (talk) 22:05, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

I would merge all of those into one article Saarland national football team results. Sgubaldo (talk) 22:16, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Honestly, you could probably even consider just dumping everything in the main Saarland national football team article. Sgubaldo (talk) 22:19, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Totally agree, they struggle to meet WP:GNG on their own but are notable as a collection. If they can fit reasonably on the main Saarland national team page, I would merge there. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 22:57, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

6 articles to list 15 matches is a joke. Spike 'em (talk) 23:01, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

It would be more appropriate to have these "seasons" described in the yearly "in X football" articles, such as 2024 in American soccer. SounderBruce 23:46, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Totally unnecessary forks, the Saarland national team only lasted a few years, everything can be summarized in the main article as Sgubaldo suggested. Svartner (talk) 03:52, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

@FastCube please see above, the pages you created are seen as being excessive. Spike 'em (talk) 07:38, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Agreed that yearly national team articles are not notable and should definitely be merged into country seasons; even I was extremely hesistant of them back then in this discussion in the Australia task force. So long that if we remove/merge the yearly national team articles, then Template:Infobox national football team season and Category:National association football team results by year should be no more as well. FastCube (talk) 09:45, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

So this was all to make a point about the other 'results by year' articles? I do feel those are also excessive / unnecessary and should be merged. On the Saarland subject, there is not even anything to be merged, the results are already listed on the main team article and have been for a few years. Crowsus (talk) 15:11, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Categories

Let's see if, 18 years later, i am still seeing this wrong and thus need a wiki-lesson...

Iván Balliu: i removed the "Albanian expatriate sportspeople in Portugal" category because it seems a wrong one. The subject left F.C. Arouca (thus Portugal) in June 2015, and he obtained Albanian citizenship/won his first cap in August/October 2017.

I explained that reasoning in my edit summary, was immediately reverted and the other user did not use a single word for their actions. Where do we stand regarding this, please? And if the aforementioned category is indeed correct and i had no business removing it in the first place, why is that?

Attentively, enjoy the rest of your day RevampedEditor (talk) 13:19, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

You're correct as far as I am aware, there appears to be no doubt about the citizenship timeline: he wasn't Albanian when in Portugal. Crowsus (talk) 15:05, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Agreed. GiantSnowman 17:36, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Justine Emmanuel

No one seemed to noticed, this was recreated 15 days after it was deleted. Should it not be deleted and SALT? Govvy (talk) 10:26, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

List of Serie A broadcasters

Also recreated after deletion? Or was it recreated after a DRV? Govvy (talk) 10:28, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

If you look at the page history it was CSD/G4ed, but an admin declined as it was expanded from the previous deleted version. You'd have to AfD it again if you feel it's not worthy of an article. Spike 'em (talk) 11:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

New AFD started: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Serie A broadcasters (2nd nomination). Everyone feel free to contribute there. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:55, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Joseph, posted my thoughts on that AfD. Govvy (talk) 17:16, 21 November 2024 (UTC)