Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation/January 2023 Backlog Drive

Leaderboard updates?

When and how is the leaderboard updated? (Just curious.) -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:16, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

The leaderboard is updated by IngenuityBot. The code for it can be found at User:IngenuityBot/backlogdrive.py. It essentially just tallies up the points for each user, sorts them, and then creates the wikitext for a table. — Ingenuity (talk • contribs) 19:19, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Review log anomaly

On my review log, entry #31 shows me accepting Draft:Muhammad Tahir Panjpiri, and a few minutes later #32 has me declining it. Only the latter is correct. I did, however, clean the draft before declining it, and the time stamps are the same or very close, so I can only assume it's counting that for some reason. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:17, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

@DoubleGrazing: thanks for spotting that. It was caused by a bug in the bot's code; it looked for edit summaries matching "Cleaning up" when it should have looked for "Cleaning up accepted". I've fixed the code, so it shouldn't happen again. — Ingenuity (talk • contribs) 19:17, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

@Ingenuity: don't know if this is the same or different issue, but my log #48 and #50 show two acceptances of James Grier; again, the earlier of them was just a clean-up. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:47, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Whoops, forgot to remove that when I removed the previous one. Should be good now. — Ingenuity (talk • contribs) 14:51, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Deleted drafts

Another thing: I've rejected a few drafts, but the leaderboard shows 0 rejections. I think they were all subsequently speedied. Is this why the bot isn't picking them up? And if so, should it? Or put another way: should reviews, where the draft ends up being deleted, count? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:33, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

@DoubleGrazing the bot doesn't have access to deleted stuff. Possibly this is the reason and it doesn't work every second either. ─ The Aafī (talk) 09:57, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

Fair enough. In previous drives (whether AfC or NPP, can't remember which) there was the option to manually adjust the final tally to take any such missed work into account. Obviously it helps if you know you need to track things in the first place. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:15, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

@DoubleGrazing, @Ingenuity, I'm not sure how do I include Draft:Baba Mahir on my log. Shouldn't there be an automated process which includes drafts right way in the log when we accept/decline them. Manually doing this much is quite troublesome. ─ The Aafī (talk) 07:39, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Just noting, for my own interest more than anything, that based on a quick scan it looks like I've so far (during this first week of drive) reviewed at least 35 drafts which were subsequently deleted and which therefore don't show up in the tally. This number will obviously grow further before the drive is over. And I clearly can't be the only one with a similar stack of 'ghost' reviews. Would be nice to have these included in the figures, even if only to stroke my petty vanity. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:49, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

@Ingenuity: please take a look here. ─ The Aafī (talk) 18:09, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

@TheAafi: there are two possible solutions to this: 1) allow the bot to see deleted revisions, which isn't possible since I'm not an admin, or 2) have the bot run constantly, instead of running it 1-2 times per day. This would require a rewrite of its code, however. It's a bit late to do it for this backlog drive, but it's something I'll consider for the next one. — Ingenuity (talk • contribs) 22:13, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

If a reviewer's userspace afc log is turned on, that will have a record of deleted drafts in both the wikitext and the revision edit summaries. With some reprogramming by the bot operator, an sql query on the comment table could be one approach to get the bot to detect deleted accepts/declines/rejects. –Novem Linguae (talk) 00:38, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

@Novem Linguae: how do I turn on the AfC log? ─ The Aafī (talk) 08:16, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

Visit a draft. When the helper script appears, at the top, it says "AFCH v0.9.1 (preferences). Reviewing "draftNameGoesHere"". Click Preferences. I think there's an option in there. Hope this helps. –Novem Linguae (talk) 09:02, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

@Ingenuity As an interim measure, perhaps you might consider running the bot every couple of hours. It will lower the "gosh it got deleted" error rate 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 13:39, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

This is why last time I we had an adimn (Enterprisey) run the final stats, but the ongoing leader-board was the same as this missing the deleted. They used this code that probably could be used again (by an admin) with some tweaks for whatever scoring differences their are. Not that it rally matters, I'm only missing about 20% on mine :p - in the end as long as the reviews are mostly good ones and the backlog is reduced all is good. KylieTastic (talk) 11:52, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

Oh and for a rough look at the deleted figures (only works for people who leave declines on the submiters page) see this (this is all reviews over the period not just signed up people) - KylieTastic (talk) 12:01, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

"Fails review"

I don't know how this is done, scored, etc, but I wanted to note that I have reverted two declines outright (Draft:John Coate and Draft:Yolonda L. Colson) and overturned a third (Draft:2010 Men's European Water Polo Championship Qualifiers) and the leader board may need to be manually updated/fixed. Primefac (talk) 10:42, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

I fear there may be many, many more incorrect declines, I just noticed this one which seems like a clear accept to me, Draft:Bog Meadow Pond. Theroadislong (talk) 11:01, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

I wasn't aware of the drive earlier and I did also revert a decline and accepted Mir Zahid Harawi ─ The Aafī on Mobile ^(talk) 11:19, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

On the subject of incorrect declines, after talking to the author of an article I reviewed earlier (Draft:Central Hotel, Dargaville) I suspect I may have been unfairly harsh on it and it may be worth accepting it. Is there a way I can nominate it for someone else to take a look or potentially revert my own close? Turnagra (talk) 07:04, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

@Turnagra: I suppose you could always just undo your review, which puts the draft back to the pool.

Incidentally, you've declined it for lack of reliable sources, but your comment suggests (?) you wanted to see more in terms of notability. I'm no expert on NZ heritage rules, but that Cat2 listing could be enough to make it notable per WP:NBUILD. Cheers, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:15, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

@DoubleGrazing: thanks, I ended up doing this and it's back in the pool. Still seems to be showing up on my list of reviewed articles though for the drive, do I need to flag it as failing re-review or is there another way to get it to stop showing up? Turnagra (talk) 19:55, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

I've marked the review as invalid in your log, so it won't be counted when calculating scores. — Ingenuity (talk • contribs) 22:08, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

@Primefac, @Theroadislong, @AafiOnMobile: there is a way to fail a review. In a participant's review log, add the wikitext #: '''Fail''' reasoning ~~~~ below the review in question, and the bot won't count the review when updating the leaderboard. — Ingenuity (talk • contribs) 14:40, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Out of curiosity, is anyone actually doing that? Primefac (talk) 20:50, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Is that another way of saying that we can (or even should) already start re-reviewing? And speaking of that, do the re-reviews have to be completed by the time the drive ends (for them to earn points) or will there be a grace period like last time? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:49, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

My view is that re-reviews should start as soon as reviews start. I have no horse in this race, though. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 13:40, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

• Comment. I've marked the two overturned draft declines as failed (Draft:John Coate and Draft:Yolonda L. Colson) on the participant's review log, if anyone disagrees please discuss here. Thanks! VickKiang (talk) 06:02, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Unsubmitted drafts

I rescued an unsubmitted draft today. I decided to submit it so that I could run the AFC script, which does cleanup such as removing AFC tags and fixing categories. I'm thinking about doing more. Is this OK from a backlog drive perspective, or does this unfairly inflate my count? Thanks. –Novem Linguae (talk) 00:04, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

I have this question as well, pinging @Ingenuity:, @DoubleGrazing: if they have thoughts. Thanks! VickKiang (talk) 02:17, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

Since our role is to improve Wikipedia, consider what you would do were there not a drive running. If you would do it then, do it now. Drive leaderboards are fun, but that is, truly, all they are. One might as well ask "Should I abstain from the low hanging fruit of (generally) the user space drafts, lest it inflate my leaderboard position?" It's a similar yet different situation. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 13:31, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

I see it as more work per article than knocking of something already in the queue. Full credit for you. There's a good bit of valuable work waiting for G13 because reviewers make mistakes and authors dissapear. The primary goal of AfC is to identify acceptable articles and move them to mainspace and that's what you're doing. ~Kvng (talk) 15:34, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

For my part (since I was pinged), if you've found a stash of unsubmitted drafts you want to process, go nuts! :) -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:39, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

Cool. I'll continue with this then. Just wanted to make sure it was fair. Thanks for the feedback. –Novem Linguae (talk) 19:19, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

"does this unfairly inflate my count?" ♥ I'm in wikipedia process heaven. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 05:59, 9 January 2023 (UTC)