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Re-activate project

@Toniher, AKeen, Tomclarke, Acomas, Elizium23, Liam987, Rwxrwxrwx, Culex, Carlstak, AlanWCollins, and Eloi Montes: Pinging all active editors who have registered interest in the project. I think there's a great scope for the project here, if anyone wants to join me and start discussing a to-do list, starting at historical biographies and the current politics of Catalonia could make this project semi-active (or even active) again - I think these may be some of the more popular Catalan-related areas of coverage, and re-activating the project gives editors looking for info/help on these topics a defined area on WP that can support them! Let me know (comment below) if you're still interested in the WikiProject, and we'll take that inactive banner off :) Kingsif (talk) 15:27, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Hello. I'll try to take some time these days to take a look at User:PereBot/1000/missing to start with. Still a lot of articles are missing. Culex (talk) 19:22, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Hello. I apologise for my absence and delayed response to this call. Yes, I am interested in helping. Let me know how we can get started! --Tomclarke (talk) 14:19, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

@Tomclarke: - mostly working through the missing articles list for now! Thanks for the response, no worries Kingsif (talk) 16:40, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Occitan speaker needed

Hello, if you speak Occitan, or know it well enough to proofread a short excerpt, can you please have a look at this edit at Judaeo-Spanish? This resulted in the following text, claiming to be in Occitan:

Lo judeocastelhan es la lenga parlada pels jusieus sefarditas expulsats d’Espanha en 1492. Es una lenga venent del castelhan que 150 000 personas la parlan dins de comunautats en Israèl, Turquia, èx-Iogoslavia, Grècia, Marròc, Malhòrca, las Americas, entre fòrça autres luòcs.

If you can comment on this text excerpt at Talk:Judaeo-Spanish, or simply make any needed adjustments directly to the article, that would be great. Mathglot (talk) 02:08, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

@Mathglot: I do not speak or read Occitan, but that is definitely able to be read in Catalan. Which probably helps very little. Occitan is uncommon enough that the only dictionary I can find is from the Catalan government... I'm not sure if anyone here can help or suggest any resources you could find. Kingsif (talk) 02:26, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

@Kingsif:, thanks. Yes, I know enough Catalan to be aware of that as well. But that isn't the problem; the problem is whether that is proper Occitan. The article has the excerpt in Catalan, as well as in seven other languages (see this table). Pinging native speakers Lembeye and Aussie Oc, and fluent speakers Jfblanc and Capsot for assistance. P.S. Kingsif, if you know Asturian, Galician, or Mozarabic, those snippets could use a proofreader as well. Mathglot (talk) 03:11, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

@Mathglot: Ah, now I see. And the Galician looks good to me. Kingsif (talk) 03:25, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

@Mathglot: The text in Occitan is correct. Regards, --— J. F. B. ^{(me´n parlar)} 10:23, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

@Jfblanc: thanks! Mathglot (talk) 01:41, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

@Mathglot: I am Occitan speaker from Provençal dialect. I can assure you this is Occitan, Lengadocian dialect ("pels" being merging of "per los", "del" meaning "de lo" typical from Montpelhièr / Montpellier for example where in Provence it would have been "per lei" and "dau"). Aussie Oc (talk) 07:54, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

@Aussie Oc:, Thanks! Mathglot (talk) 10:06, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

Catalan-language women without English biographies

As a contributor to Women in Red, I thought I'd drop some Catalan-language-related women bios that need translating here!Kingsif (talk) 04:43, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

Illa Sonora notability

I just read some of this article on Illa Sonora, a website collecting information on just about every band and song pertaining to Mallorca. It seems notable enough for an article, but does anyone knows anything more to better judge that? Kingsif (talk) 01:49, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Style advice

If you wish to participate with the debate on style advice, please do so here: [[1]] ping me when responding, gràcies! TheKaloo talk 14:14, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

New home page for the WikiProject

Hello @TheKaloo, Avocado J, Kingsif, Eloi Montes, AlanWCollins, Carlstak, Culex, Rwxrwxrwx, Liam987, Elizium23, Alexandrecomas, Tomclarke, AKeen, and Toniher: I've been working on a new home page for this WikiProject over in my draft space, my main goal being to make it all more coherent and lovely. I'm not making any radical changes and will be covering most of the content already on WikiProject Catalan-speaking countries. I'd welcome any feedback you may have down below. The draft is located at User:Bernat Tortajada/sandbox/WP:CATALAN. Bear in mind that it's still a work in progress! Bernat (talk) 22:34, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Great job, Bernat ! For the moment, I just made two minor corrections on your draft. Culex (talk) 00:57, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Bernat, thank you! I am not very active at the moment, but I saw the major edits and I'm happy about them. Good Job! Jxlarb (Talk to me) 14:29, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

User script to detect unreliable sources

Main page: User:Headbomb/unreliable

I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like

• John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14. (John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.)

and turns it into something like

• John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.

It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{cite web}}, {{cite journal}} and {{doi}}.

The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.

Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.

- Headbomb {t · c · p · b}

This is a one time notice and can't be unsubscribed from. Delivered by: MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:01, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Question about demonyms in lead

Hello all. I recently made an edit to the article about Lluís Companys, changing the lead from describing him as a "Spanish politician from Catalonia" to simply "Catalan politician".[2] However, this edit was reverted by an IP user, who stated they were "applying consensus".[3] So I thought I'd ask if/where/when consensus was formed on the issue of demonyms in the lead, specifically regarding "Catalan" vs "from Catalonia".

Personally I didn't think anything of the edit, given Companys was first-and-foremost a Catalan politician, not a Spanish politician that happened to be from Catalonia. But I thought I'd bring this up here, both in order to avoid a potential edit war and as it presents a possible inconsistency with other article leads about Catalan persons. Regards. --Grnrchst (talk) 11:43, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

The closest that I know of consensus for that would be when the Spain demonym categories were almost all changed from e.g. Murcian/Galician/Catalan X to Spanish X from Murcia/Galicia/Catalonia. That change was based on loose consensus that saw many objections to it being applied to Basque and Catalan people, but only Basque was not changed. I personally found it ridiculous that the category "Exiled Catalan politicians" was also changed, becoming "Exiled Spanish politicians from Catalonia", which is not only a ridiculous description but also ignores the point.

To really answer your question, there is no consensus for the IP to have reverted you. The policy on the matter is WP:NATIONALITY, which is generally interpreted to allow for ethnic and regional-specific demonyms where this is important. As you say, in the case of Companys his political career was entirely Catalonia, especially during a period of much more separation from Spain, and there is no reason not to say that. Kingsif (talk) 23:29, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

Article Societat Civil Catalana

A user has been repeteadly removing content from the article stating that it was bias. He also added other content at first without adding sources but it was from unrelated entities or entities stating the same exact things as SCC, in the end no new content or views. We have maintained a conversation but he insists in that the content he wants to remove is biased. The page is now locked and with the changes reverted prior to his edits until March 28. As I understand it, he is threatening to continue removing that content. Can't someone give some insight? He says that stating in the article that SCC says the same as Spanish nationalists regarding an alleged indoctrination in Catalonia school model is bias. For that sentence a reliable source is used to state that SCC denounces indoctrination into Catalan nationalism in Catalonia's school model [4] and another reliable source which states that Spanish nationalism attacks the Catalan school model saying that it is being used to foster separatist sentiments [5]. The user says that stating SCC agrees with Spanish nationalists in that regard is bias. 95.17.250.138 (talk) 15:40, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Andorra's adoption of Català

Hello, I was reading Andorra's page when I've noticed this statement:

"The Catalan Pyrenees were embryonic of the Catalan language at the end of the 11th century. Andorra was influenced by this language, which was adopted locally decades before it expanded to the rest of the Crown of Aragon" followed by this reference:.

Now, I've briefly read the reference but can't find a direct mention of Andorra actually adopting the language before the rest of the Crown of Aragon, am I missing some lines or does the source actually lack reference? If it is the latter case, does anyone know wheter the the statement is true at all? Thank you! Sacesss (talk) 09:08, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

References

Catalonia nation discussion

There is a discussion at Talk:Catalonia#Lead whether the phrase

is a historical European nation, currently administered as an autonomous community of Spain

should be used as the first sentence at Catalonia. Thanks DankJae 11:12, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Women in Green's October 2024 edit-a-thon

Hello WikiProject Catalan-speaking countries:

WikiProject Women in Green is holding a month-long Good Article Edit-a-thon event in October 2024!

Running from October 1 to 31, 2024, WikiProject Women in Green (WiG) is hosting a Good Article (GA) edit-a-thon event with the theme Around the World in 31 Days! All experience levels welcome. Never worked on a GA project before? We'll teach you how to get started. Or maybe you're an old hand at GAs – we'd love to have you involved! Participants are invited to work on nominating and/or reviewing GA submissions related to women and women's works (e.g., books, films) during the event period. We hope to collectively cover article subjects from at least 31 countries (or broader international articles) by month's end. GA resources and one-on-one support will be provided by experienced GA editors, and participants will have the opportunity to earn a special WiG barnstar for their efforts.

We hope to see you there!

Grnrchst (talk) 09:59, 13 September 2024 (UTC)