Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics/Cleanup/Archive/WikiProject Cleanup

Scope

Much as the Comics Collaboration works each month to promote articles to Featured Article status, Comics Cleanup focuses its members attention on individual articles in order to fix grammar, punctuation, spelling, and style, and in some cases to promote the article to Good Article status.

Each week, several articles will be chosen for the team to work on. This includes copy editing, summary reduction, template maintenance, and finding sources for uncited material.

Articles collaborated on

• Magneto

Requests

• Metamorpho - Removal of copyright violation left this article in disarray.

In the Beginning

Several times, Psyphics (talk · contribs) and I teamed up to make articles suitable for merging. The articles were immense, but working together, we cut right through them, copy editing, condensing, and finding sources. Not only did something that had been overwhelming become much easier, the collaborative effort proved to be fun.

In the first few months of editing with the WikiProject Comics, I was amazed by the deication of not just some of the users who had been around longer, but also some of the comparatively newer editors like me. I grew to prefer editing articles within the WikiProject Comics purview because of the sense of community, support, and comeraderie I felt. I didn't just have good faith in my fellow editors; I really believed in them and the work they were doing. In the past month or so, some of the editors I really respect have decreased their participation, often because of stress and an increasing feeling of futility about mainting article quality. I'm one of them.

I'm hoping this project will give editors a boost and make editing more engaging and fun again. We're in this together.

Each week (up for discussion) we'll pick one or more (up for discussion) articles to work on as a group. We each have our strengths: I like to condense plot summaries. Hiding (talk · contribs) has said he likes finding sources. I know Tenebrae (talk · contribs) and others have created articles about comics professionals, something I don't believe I have done. I am of course open to any ideas other editors may have about goals, procedures, and membership.

Among my goals for this project is a page for resource material for citations with information on in it ranging from comics magazines like The Comics Journal, Comicology, Back Issue, and Wizard to online news sites like Newsarama, Comic Book Resources, Ninth Art, and Sequential Tart. Of special note are columns "Comic Book Urban Legends Revealed" and "Lying in the Gutters", both at CBR.

I am excited to focus once more on working with each of you. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 02:38, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for setting this up Chris. I look forward to contributing and hope it helps to alleviate my cynicism and feelings of futility toward WP:CMC and fiction-related articles in general. --Newt_ΨΦ 19:54, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Though I tend to edit and clean up "all over", I tend to focus on lists, categories, grammar, and WP:OR. (I like to organise: )
Please feel free to drop off organizational requests on my requests talk page. - jc37 18:02, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Naming conventions (comics)

Proposal for a clearer standard. Current discussion here. - jc37 17:55, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

So what do we tackle first?

Suggest some articles for group editing. I know Newt and I talked recently about working on Wolverine (comics), and I like the idea for this because it is a large article about a popular character. RobJ1981 (talk · contribs) has worked diligently at the Amalgam Comics articles, particularly their merging, and I know he could use some help with that. Any other areas we should look at? --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 01:34, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

It sounds like your focus is more Marvel? I just split the Batman villains article (into an article and list). It could still use quite a bit of work. - jc37 02:07, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Personall,y I'll work on anything. I was disappointed yesterday to note the lack of an article on Clan Apis, but hopefully I can pull something together for it. Oh, and we could also just work our way through some of the task template or the more links therein. I'll take a look at the article you mentioned now. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 02:13, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

I just looked at Batman villains; did you discuss the split first? --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 02:17, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

No, I didn't/don't think it was necessary. I was being bold (concerns on the talk page months old about page length, and this was an obvious split point) and beginning the clean-up editing. (Similar to you on July 5th, obviously). I also did the merge (polka-dot man), since it's also been almost 2 months of no discussion.

Atm, the article still needs tense fixing (as per tag), and the List just needs general editing throughout. (For example, the "chronological order" of the first section is missing issue references for several villains, and the text could definitely use some work.) - jc37 02:59, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

You're absolutely right. I think it was a good idea; I was just wondering if you were going to see a backlash. And then I remembered that the guy I would expect to be annoyed about something like that just got blocked indefinitely. Certainly no complaints from me. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 03:56, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Given what I've been working on recently, i'd say let's give Magneto a shot. WesleyDodds 11:21, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Magneto sounds fine with me. It'll take me some time, but I'll go ahead and tackle the List of Batman villains. Though I would like more than one set of eyes for fixing the Batman villains article. (At first glance it looks fine, but when you look deeper...) Plus, it could use expansion, actually. Sections on adaptations, and the various imaginary stories/elseworlds, for example. - jc37 13:56, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

I worked a bit on Magneto a couple months back and ran into some problems with DrBat (talk · contribs) who didn't appreciate my attempts. I'd be happy to try to edit things down again with some back-up. --Newt_ΨΦ 14:16, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm up for Magneto. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 18:20, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Sounds good. I'll pitch in. I'd also suggest for afterward Bob Kane and Bill Everett, two major figures with woefully slapdash articles. --Tenebrae 04:10, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Also good. I think all of these are great. Let's hit Magneto first and then do one of the articles about real people. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 06:36, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to throw in Civil War: Front Line to that. For 11 issues, the article feels longer than 52! That's got way to much damn detail. She-Hulk needs help too, but as I'm not a Marvel Girl anymore, I can't fill in the blanks. -- Ipstenu (talk|contribs) 20:28, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Wolverine and project Sundays

OK, let's go to it. I'll start working on condensing plot stuff. Let's set the collaboration timeline at one week. We'll start a new collab each Sunday. Now, maybe we can keep to a schedule and work on this stuff. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 08:02, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

I can work on real-world references; Comic Book Nation is very useful for most major characters and events, and I can find a bit through Google and by searching the comics news sites. WesleyDodds 09:36, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Huh, this is insanely informative: [1]. It even has citations. WesleyDodds 07:18, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Next project

So . . . what next? WesleyDodds 08:38, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Tenebrae suggesterd Bob Kane or Bill Everett. Which do you think? --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 09:07, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Bill Everett gives us more to work with with what's already there, so I suggest that one. WesleyDodds 16:46, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Cool. Bill Everett it is. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 17:55, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Project Directory

Hello. The WikiProject Council is currently in the process of developing a master directory of the existing WikiProjects to replace and update the existing Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. These WikiProjects are of vital importance in helping wikipedia achieve its goal of becoming truly encyclopedic. Please review the following pages:

• User:Badbilltucker/Culture Directory,
• User:Badbilltucker/Culture Directory 2,
• User:Badbilltucker/Philosophy and religion Directory,
• User:Badbilltucker/Sports Directory,
• User:Badbilltucker/Geographical Directory,
• User:Badbilltucker/Geographical Directory/United States, (note: This page will be retitled to more accurately reflect its contents)
• User:Badbilltucker/History and society directory, and
• User:Badbilltucker/Science directory

and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope to have the existing directory replaced by the updated and corrected version of the directory above by November 1. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 22:20, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry if you tried to update it before, and the corrections were gone. I have now moved the new draft in the old directory pages, so the links should work better. My apologies for any confusion this may have caused you. B2T2 14:06, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Happy Death Men

I propose that we work on Sandman (Vertigo), not only because by doing so it'll make us look cool in front of goth chicks, but there's a number of resources to work from. For instance, last week DC published a reprint of issue #1 complete with Neil Gaiman's editorial from issue #4 about the conception of the series and some background sketches and notes. There's also that book The Sandman Companion and a number of articles about the book. What immediately strikes me regarding improvement of the article is how it currently suffers from the opposite problem a lot of comics articles tend to: there's virtually nothing about the actual substance of the series. There's small descriptions the story arcs constructed around the trade listings, but the series didn't exist primarily in trade form, after all. This page certainly needs material about plot, themes, major characters, conception, etc.WesleyDodds 10:06, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Wayne Enterprises

So, my Wiki-presence hasn't been consistent lately (officially, I'm on Wiki-break! Honest!), but the recent goings-on over in Batman brought this article to my attention, and I thought I'd make mention of it here. Wayne Enterprises is badly in need of cleanup. It is in desperate need of citations and the article seems to have some problems in approach. It reads like an attempt to describe the company as if it were real, and not like an encyclopedia article describing the use of the company in a work of fiction. I realize that this is a problem that is pervasive in many comics-related wiki entries, and some of it may be a difference in philosophy in the way fictional institutions are approached, but this article really leapt out at me. I wouldn't mind seeing an image or two as well. ~CS 05:27, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

The more time I spend working on Batman articles, the more I come to understand why anyone ever started a WikiProject Superman. I had thought that seemed excessively specialized. We need a Batman cleanup task list. Doczilla 06:33, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Hey, if you want, I can help you start up a Batman Wikiproject. Wonder Twin powers activate! WesleyDodds 06:35, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I just set up the bare bones of a page to get us started, Wikipedia:WikiProject_Batman, modeled after the Superman project page. I haven't categorized it while it's barely even under construction yet. Let's see who takes an interest in this. (So are you the one who turns into animals or the one who becomes water? Not that I want a monkey carrying me around in a bucket, but with enough imagination, that could be the more powerful character. Form of an ice catapult!) Doczilla 20:00, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

I was hoping we could list it at the Proposed Wikiprojects list first, but since it's already started we might want to start identifying which Bat-articles need work the most (expansion, copyediting, rewrites, merges). Form of a rabid badger! WesleyDodds 01:06, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Task

Would it be better to have this as a taskforce of WikiProject Comics, rather than a separate Project? Have a look at WP:MILHIST for how they have their taskforces set up to see what I mean. Hiding Talk 15:30, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes.--Chris Griswold (☎☓) 16:39, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia Day Awards

Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 16:36, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Current top importance comics articles

• FA-Class articles
  • Batman; Calvin and Hobbes; Superman; The Adventures of Tintin;
• A-Class articles
  • Avengers (comics); The Amazing Spider-Man;
• GA-Class articles
  • Graphic novel;
• B-Class articles
  • Action Comics; All-American Publications; Alternative comics; American comic book; Archie Comics; Buck Rogers (science fiction); Captain America; Carl Barks; Cerebus; Comic book; Comic strip; Comics; Comics Code Authority; Creepy; DC Comics; Dilbert; Doonesbury; EC Comics; Fantastic Four; Flash (Barry Allen); Hulk (comics); Jack Kirby; Jean Giraud; Justice League; Little Nemo; Little Orphan Annie; Mad (magazine); Manga; Marvel Comics; Osamu Tezuka; Peanuts; Popeye; Robert Crumb; Seduction of the Innocent; Speech balloon; Spider-Man; Stan Lee; Will Eisner; Wolverine (comics); Wonder Woman; X-Men;
• Start-Class articles
  • Cartoonist; Detective Comics; Eisner Award; Flash Comics; Harvey Award; Image Comics; Inker; Penciller; Rodolphe Töpffer; Sennin Buraku; The Family Circus; Underground comix;
• Stub-Class articles
  • Letterer; The Yellow Kid; —Preceding unsigned comment added by Warlordjohncarter (talk • contribs) 23:00, 22 October 2007 (UTC)