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New talk page!

Yep, I archived it- AnemoneProjectors said to do it when there's been no replies for 48 hours, and it's been four days... Trampikey ^{(talk to me)(contribs)} 17:53, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and...

Number	Character	Section completed?
1	Ian Beale
2	Lou Beale
3	Pete Beale
4	Kelvin Carpenter
5	Tony Carpenter
6	Arthur Fowler
7	Mark Fowler
8	Michelle Fowler
9	Pauline Fowler
10	Kathy Hills
11	Lofty Holloway
12	Naima Jeffery
13	Saeed Jeffery
14	Dr. Harold Legg
15	Andy O'Brien
16	Ali Osman
17	Sue Osman
18	Sharon Rickman
19	Ethel Skinner
20	Mary Smith
21	Den Watts
22	Angie Watts
23	Debbie Wilkins
23	Nick Cotton

- retrieved this from the old talk page! Still needs doing! Trampikey ^{(talk to me)(contribs)} 17:54, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Is there anything similar about Reg Cox in those brilliant books you guys read? — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 20:11, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

I dont think so, altho i havent read it properly. I tend just to skim the text until I see the name of the character i'm writing on, and only read the relevant text. so there might be some facts I can add. There is a character bio for Nick though, so I will do him too when I can be bothered. Now that i've started to do this out of universe stuff I think it is do-able for most of the characters. certainly the major ones anyway.

I was thinking that maybe we should add about including an out of universe section in the guide to writing EE articles on the main page. Any facts like controversy in the media and viewing figures can be bunged in, and it will stop them getting tagged. What do you think?Gungadin 21:01, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Only Nick Cotton to do now! May I ask how we're going to do the out of universe sections on the other characters that we don't have character outlines for? Trampikey ^{(talk to me)(contribs)} 19:21, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

It's definitely do-able for the major characters, but not for the minor ones. It will require analysis of the character's storylines, reason for their introduction, their effect on the show and possible influence in society, popularity, controversy, ratings, character changes etc. Characters like the Mitchell's, Pat, Dot, Wicksy and Cindy. Even someone like Honey can have the controversy containing the downs stuff from recently. They wont be as long as the originals though, but that doesn't matter so long as it's enough to stop them getting tagged.Gungadin 21:09, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

I can do one for Stella Crawford, based on info about her in Inside Soap last week! Trampikey ^{(talk to me)(contribs)} 20:27, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Go for it! Just don't copyvio ;) — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 20:39, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

I won't, don't worry! Trampikey ^{(talk to me)(contribs)} 20:46, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Harry Osbourne

When did he appear? I need to add him to the past character list... Trampikey ^{(talk to me)(contribs)} 18:24, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Got it now! Trampikey ^{(talk to me)(contribs)} 21:06, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Ian Beale

Hi, I have added some more stuff on Ian Beale's early history to the article, but I wanted to know what kind of format this article should take before i do anymore. Whether it should be chronological or not? At the moment I have only included the early stuff before Ian and Cindy got married, so nothing overlaps. There is still quite a lot that happens in between Ian's marriages concenring his businesses (like the loan shark stuff and meal machine stuff, bankruptcy) that havent been mentioned yet. I can either

a) include the above stuff in the sections with his wives where applicable (i.e. Ian went Bankrupt with Laura, ran the meal machine with Cindy, chip shop etc)

b) I can alter what I've aready put by making two sections Businesses and Relationships, obviously putting all the wives in the relationship section, which might make more sense seeing as Jane isnt his wife. Or

c) I can take out the wives section and make it all chronological giving differet headings where appropriate.

let me know what you think I should do, i couldnt work out what was decided from the talk page. Gungadin 22:12, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

I think C - chronological order. I don't particularly like the sections about former lovers/spouses on Ian Beale and Phil Mitchell, so yeah, I think it'll be better just in alphabetical order! Trampikey ^{(talk to me)(contribs)} 22:18, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Also, from the Ian article: "...Darren, but he neglected to inform them that the equipment was only on HP." - what is HP? Trampikey ^{(talk to me)(contribs)} 22:25, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh that means Hire Purchase, I forgot to change the abbreviation Gungadin 22:47, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Chronological order please, to match other characters. And I assume that's what Trampikey meant when he said "alphabetical order" ;) // AnemoneProjectors // talk // 09:38, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Oops, yes! I feel like Honey now! Trampikey ^{(talk to me)(contribs)} 15:40, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Ok Ive made most of it chronological. Most of his business ventures are included in the sections ive updated. Just the enemy section now. Would you prefer his feud with Phil to appear broken up, as and when it happened chronologically, or should it just be left as it is? There also seems to be a lot of repeated information in the 'Jane', 'Phil' and 'other storylines' sections, regarding custody of Ben mostly. Let me know how you would prefer this stuff to be sorted. Gungadin 18:07, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I think the Phil Mitchell bit should be merged with the rest, so there's no duplicate/non chronological information! Trampikey ^{(talk to me)(contribs)} 18:52, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Right it is finally all chronological. I hope it's ok. I couldn't remember when the Ian/Wellard stuff occurred, so that might not be in the right place, so if anyone knows can you amend it please Gungadin 19:43, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

It was in the right place. Well done, it's improved greatly! (Could I direct your attention to the question above regarding Harry Osborne?) Trampikey ^{(talk to me)(contribs)} 20:58, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

extra things to infobox

I was wondering if anyone else thought it was a good idea to add character's first appearance and last appearance dates in the infobox? Gungadin 22:49, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

We don't have them all... with the years, we know most of them... we also have the danger of having an over-crowded infobox soon, so I think we should just stick to having the specific dates in the articles... the years in the infobox provide a quick year-year duration; more specific info can go in the article! - just my two cents! Trampikey ^{(talk to me)(contribs)} 23:37, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

I think adding a "first appearance" and "last appearance" to the info box would be fine. It doesn't matter that we don't have them all. All fields are optional, so we can leave the years. The infobox won't be cluttered. Many other infoboxes have much more information than we have now. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 00:09, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

The main article...

...is pretty much perfect now =].

All we need is a better leading paragraph... anyone wanna help? I'm going to look at lead paragraphs of other TV shows for some ideas, but help would be appreciated!

Also, some images might be nice- good ones!

And should we have a peer review or just nominate it for featured article status when we've done the lead and got some images? Trampikey ^{(talk to me)(contribs)} 16:24, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Well done. It reads really well. What kind of images were u wanting? I was wondering if we should include something on highest/lowest rating episodes too. Or is that already in there? I havent read it all yet. I think get a peer review first. Gungadin 17:34, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

The highest and lowest episodes are there! I'll find some images to include... all the ones I need are probably already on here! Trampikey ^{(talk to me)(contribs)} 17:55, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

What about something like this for a lead "EastEnders is one of Britain's most successful television soap operas. It was first broadcast on BBC1 in February 1985 and continues today. It holds regular half hour primetime viewing slots, originally twice and currently four times a week, repeated in an omnibus edition on Sundays. Within eight months of its launch it reached the number one spot in the ratings and has almost consistently remained amongst the top programmes in Britain ever since (average viewing figures per episode today are around blah blah). The invention of producer, Julia Smith, and script editor, Tony Holland, EastEnders has remained significant in terms of the BBC's success and audience share and also the history of British television drama; tackling many controversial and taboo issues previously unseen on mainstream television in the UK." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gungadin (talk • contribs)

I've added it, and I'm adding a bit more about awards. Then I'll do the images, and apply for a peer review. Trampikey ^{(talk to me)(contribs)} 18:21, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

cool, I will have a readthrough later and try to up the sources where possible so they dont call it up on that Gungadin 18:26, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Trampikey would you mind putting in the source for EE audience share? Better include that if we're citing figures, ive been told off for not doing that in the past Gungadin 18:32, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

It's later on in the article... I don't know where it came from. Trampikey ^{(talk to me)(contribs)} 18:40, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I've added a few images and nominated it for a peer review here. Trampikey ^{(talk to me)(contribs)} 19:07, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I need time to go through the whole article and clean it up. It's extremely long. I'll add the inuse tag when I'm making my changes. I also think one of the sections should be separated to its own article (I suggest the history section). — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 19:55, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I went through most of it (I skipped bits I know hadn't changed since I last checked) and I didn't really need to change much. Other than the length of the article, my only criticism is the trivia section. I hate hate hate hate hate hate hate it. Can we try to merge the paragraphs to the relevant sections of the article? I did one of them but couldn't figure out where to put some others. Things like the Ferreira bit and Pat's earrings can probably be deleted altogether (as long as they are mentioned on characters'/actors' articles). — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 21:15, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I'll look into doing some of it - if I can't I'll leave it to you Trampikey ^{(talk to me)(contribs)} 21:20, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Well I put the bits about the silence and the Queen's visit in the history section... after all, history didn't end when the show started ;) — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 21:25, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

There are only two bit left in the trivia section now. I'm going for a bath - if they're not merged in when I get back, Ill do it! Trampikey ^{(talk to me)(contribs)} 21:39, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Nicely done! I'm busy watching a DVD (of The Others) so you'll probably be back before me ;) I do believe those bits of trivia should stay somewhere in the article though. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 21:54, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

The peer review is taking ages! =[ Trampikey ^{(talk to me)(contribs)} 17:57, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Just enter it for a featured article assessment then. I suppose it makes no difference, and at least u will get input on what needs fixing. It could be successful. Gungadin 18:19, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Have done. It's here: Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/EastEnders. Trampikey ^{(talk to me)(contribs)} 18:44, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Article assessment

You'll all be pleased to know that we can now rate the articles on importance as well as quality, by adding "|importance=" to the talk page template. Ratings are Top, High, Mid and Low (and of course, unknown). I'm currently making sure that ALL EastEnders-related articles have the project template on the talk page (although I'm not rating any of them at the moment). — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 21:03, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Project Directory

Hello. The WikiProject Council is currently in the process of developing a master directory of the existing WikiProjects to replace and update the existing Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. These WikiProjects are of vital importance in helping wikipedia achieve its goal of becoming truly encyclopedic. Please review the following pages:

• User:Badbilltucker/Culture Directory,
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• User:Badbilltucker/Science directory

and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope to have the existing directory replaced by the updated and corrected version of the directory above by November 1. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 21:54, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

It is done. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 22:51, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry if you tried to update it before, and the corrections were gone. I have now put the new draft in the old directory pages, so the links should work better. My apologies for any confusion this may have caused you. B2T2 00:39, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Infobox: Duration

I removed this from a couple of one-episode characters, but thought we should discuss it further. The reason I removed it is that it's basically duplicated information. Obviously it's still needed for characters who have come and gone and come again. But if a character is in the show for say 3 months, or even 3 years without a break, and if we have the exact dates, should we get rid of the duration years in the infobox? I think we should. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 21:43, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

I knw this would happen. That's why I was opposed to the first and last appearences in the infobox in the first place... I think we should leave the duration how it is, it gives a quick overview of what year the character appeared. Trampikey ^{(talk to me)(contribs)} 22:08, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

The date gives a quick overview of what year the character appeared, and if you were opposed to it, why did you add it to the infobox? — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 22:23, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Thinking about it, I think it should be removed for characters who appeared only within one calendar year, i.e. the joined and left in the same year. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 20:06, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Ethel Skinner's Birthday

There is conflicting information regarding her birthday. The infobox and the BBC character profile suggets she is born in February 1916, which would make her 84 when she died. However she is supposed to have died the night of her birthday in August, not february.

As well as this, I have just recently seen that episode, and she is celebrating her 85th birthday, meaning she'd be born in september 1915. But at the end of the episode she tells Dot she lied about her age and her birthday. she said she is actually 86 meaning she'd be born in 1914.

Which piece of information do you think should be used in the article? Gungadin 13:00, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

We've always used information seen on screen, so use September 1914... (Other examples include the names of Eric Mitchell's parents - on screen they were named as Robert and Sandra, but on the website's family tree, they're called Harry and Eva... but in the articles for Phil, Grant and Sam, we use Robert and Sandra as it was seen on screen, and is therefore seen as canon... also, we use the name Hester Samuels, because that's what her name was on-screen, but her name in the novels was Miriam...) Trampikey ^{(talk to me)(contribs)} 16:50, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

I had a look on Walford.net. in 1991 Ethel celebrated her 75th birthday on Feb 19th, meaning she was born in 1916.[1] This episode in 2000 says that Dot is arranging a bday party for Ethel, but Pauline points out her birthday is in February [2] - which implies they were just humouring her and brought her bday forward before she kicks the bucket. However Ethel says near the end of the episode on the 7th that she lied about her age - she's actually 86 - and her birthday (obviously EE's naff attempt at covering their inconsistencies). So shall I just add a trivia section explaining this all at the bottom? Gungadin 17:33, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

OK, put it as 19 Feb... and explain it in the trivia... Trampikey ^{(talk to me)(contribs)} 17:47, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Could someone add details to the Ian Beale article about Ian SORASing? I would, but I don't know the details... Trampikey ^{(talk to me)(contribs)} 20:37, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

More on our infobox

I believe I've just made a major improvement to the way the infobox looks. It's also easier to edit as well. Let me know what you think! Check out any of our character pages. I actually wonder if there's more we can add. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 21:47, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I did the same for {{EEBooks}} — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 21:57, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

It looks the same... but a bit wider... and you changed it to "portrayed by"... And no, I don't think there's anything we can add... Trampikey ^{(talk to me)(contribs)} 22:09, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Well making it wider is a major improvement, as some of them were scarily thin. Now they're all the same standard width. Also, I made it easier to edit the template. And stuff like "Book appearances" is now on one line instead of two. I dunno why I changed it to "portrayed" but that's not important. Must have been a copy and paste thing. Things I thought of adding were (things I've seen on other character infoboxes)... image caption, reason for departure, spouse and children separate from other family members... — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 22:21, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Image captions would be lame - they'd all just be "Anna Wing as Lou Beale" (for example). Reason for departure is quite ambiguous; and could cause problems with long explanations, etc. The infobox includes spouse, children, siblings and parents - and splitting one section into four for when it's fine as it is just seems stupid... Trampikey ^{(talk to me)(contribs)} 22:28, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes the infobox does include spouse, children, siblings and parents, but it doesn't say how they're related to the character. I just thought it might be an improvement. Perhaps Gungadin would like to give her opinion too. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 20:42, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm i'm undecided. I definitely don't think 'reason for deaprture' should be included, that should be in the article in a more descript way anyway. I recently saw some neighbours articles and think their infoboxes look a bit OTT, but maybe i'm biased to the EE ones. Including separate family sections may work, but it might start to get a bit long, and their family is already included at the bottom. It would be fine for those with long articles, like Pat for instance, but some of the ones with barely any info already look a bit silly as their infoboxes are longer than the article. Sometimes having a massive infobox can be annoying, especially when you want to place an image next to relevant text and it gets in the way.You can always try it out and see.Gungadin 21:17, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Well let's just leave it as it is for now then, unless something new crops up. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 22:04, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Newsletter for WikiProject members

On here it says that one of our projects is to start a newsletter for our members... I think I'm going to start this... any ideas, suggestions etc. are welcome =] Trampikey ^{(talk to me)(contribs)} 22:11, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

No idea. Is it worth it? There's only a few active members. I have enough user talk spam already. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 22:17, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

I suppose... then it should be removed from the "to do" template... Trampikey ^{(talk to me)(contribs)} 22:29, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Go on then. Who put it there anyway. Was it you? — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 22:41, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Possibly... I can't remember. I probably left it on there when I copied the to do template from another WikiProject. I've removed it now anyway... Trampikey ^{(talk to me)(contribs)} 22:45, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah you did, I checked the history. What project did you copy it from? I always wondered. Did you know we have three lists of things to do? One in that template, one on the WikiProject main page and one in the portal. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 22:51, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Wow, that's a nice irrelevant piece of information... I think it was The Beatles WikiProject. Trampikey ^{(talk to me)(contribs)} 22:53, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

It's not irrelevant. It's unnecessary to have the same thing in three places. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 23:05, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Then do something about it... Trampikey ^{(talk to me)(contribs)} 23:26, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually I've just found something to do with the to do template. So now I don't have a problem with the three lists. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 23:32, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

May I ask...

...why do we have the character names in italics in the family sections? Trampikey ^{(talk to me)(contribs)} 19:23, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't know. Of course, they shouldn't be, but we did have a discussion about it once. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 20:24, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Well I think we should review our policy again... and also set a real, proper order for the family, as the other one kind of just fizzles out with no consensus. Trampikey ^{(talk to me)(contribs)} 20:36, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

There's nothing wrong with the order of the family that was suggested, I've stuck to it ever since. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 20:42, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

On a similar note, I was wondering if we can try to sort out some sort of format for article headers for the characters. I was thinking that instead of using the heading History we could call it storylines, then use sub-headings to separate things within the section. Or do you think that would look messy? I've done it with Angie Watts, but will revert if you don't like it Gungadin 22:00, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

No, I think your change from History to Storylines was a good one. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 00:31, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Trampikey ^{(talk to me)(contribs)} 00:32, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Two-handers

I was wondering if anyone had any objections to me making an article on two hander episodes. and if no one minds do you remember any of the the two-handers and rough dates that they aired?

Here are some I can recall:

• Den and Angie (6 months to live)
• Dot and Ethel (war time nostalgia)
• Sharon and Michelle (Den is vicki's father)
• Sharon and Phil (She sells her share of the vic)
• Kat and Zoe (im ur mother)
• Steve and Matthew (the revenge stuff)
• Dot and Den (cancer)
• Kat and Alfie (stuff about her affair with Andy)
• Pat and Peggy
• Frank and Roy

Gungadin 22:07, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Why would anyone have any objections? EastEnders is famous for them. Go ahead and be bold. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 00:33, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Dr. and Rev...

Why were these pages all moved? (Dr. May Wright, Dr. Oliver Cousins, Dr. Johnathon Leroy, Dr. Anthony Trueman, Dr. Fred Fonseca, Dr. Harold Legg, Dr. Graham Stone, Dr. Annie Grey, Dr. Briony Campbell, Dr. Isla McCulloch, Dr. Jaggat Singh, Dr. David Samuels, Rev. David Walsh, Rev. Tom Stuart and Rev. Alex Healy)

The reason given was "Wikipedia does not usually use titles in article names... BUT, they're ALWAYS credited on EastEnders as "Dr..." or "Rev..." - so surely we should use the name they were credited with? (for example: Libby Fox is credited as Libby, but also known as Squiggle...)

What do you think? I think the issue should have at least been raised here first! Trampikey ^{(talk to me)(contribs)} 15:39, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

A non-WPEE Wikipedian started it, so I finished it. Move them back if you want. Though for an encyclopaedia, I think they shouldn't be included. We don't include Mr. and Mrs., Dr. is really just the same. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 15:44, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Pauline Fowler

The article needs a lot more content! I didn't realise how lacking in information it is! It needs Gungadinising (á la Ian Beale!) (or just someone else who knows a lot about Pauline) - but it's split into Arthur and Joe sections, with hardly anything about her 22 year history!! Trampikey ^{(talk to me)(contribs)} 17:37, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

I'll have a go at it after Ive finished doing Frank. Problem with Pauline is that most of her storylines are basically just her interfering in other people's storylines arent they? I think she had fibroids at one stage, and was in hospital over xmas 1989 having a hysterectomy. She fancied Derek for a while. She uncovered Willy Roper as the real embezzelment culprit. Arthur's affair could be covered in more depth I suppose. Can you think of anything else noteworthy that she's been involved in? Gungadin 18:29, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Again- family section - I think we should vote?

Italics?

Oppose - I don't think they should be there... Trampikey ^{(talk to me)(contribs)} 18:00, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Order?

Proposition:

Father
Mother
Brother
Sister
Husband/Wife
Son
Daughter
Grandfather
Grandmother
Great grandfather
Great grandmother
Grandson
Granddaughter
Great grandson
Great granddaughter
Nephew
Niece
Great nephew
Great niece
Uncle
Aunt
Great uncle
Great aunt
Cousin
First cousin once removed
Second cousin

What do you think? Trampikey ^{(talk to me)(contribs)} 18:00, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Agree with you on the order and Italics, not really bothered about deceased being there or not. If everyone else wants to get rid of it I wont object.Gungadin 18:33, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Lose the italics. Agree with the order. That's pretty much the order I've been using. Though "grandmothers" and "grandfathers" sounds weird, which we would use if we knew of both. And you forgot nephews and nieces. Not bothered about deceased, though it is sometimes difficult to maintain that bit. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 18:58, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

All in agreement so far. I've added greats as well. Do we want to use the word "spouse"? — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 20:35, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

I used the word spouse there because I couldn't be bothered to type husband/wife! I didn;t mean to change it! Trampikey ^{(talk to me)(contribs)} 20:45, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Also...

Why do we include "(deceased)" in the family sections? Is it really needed? Trampikey ^{(talk to me)(contribs)} 18:00, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

As you were both pretty neutral, I've decided to leave it in, as I looked at Johnny Allen (EastEnders)#Family and decided it looks better with the "(deceased)" bit. Trampikey ^{(talk to me)(contribs)} 20:34, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

System for changing them...

OK, as it'll take ages for me to do all the changes on my own, if you two don't mind, can I split the work between the three of us? If you don't mind, it'll be something like:

• Trampikey - A-I and misc in Category:EastEnders characters
• AnemoneProjectors - J-Q
• Gungadin - R-Z

Any objections? Trampikey ^{(talk to me)(contribs)} 20:32, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

None from me. I'll use AWB to belp me :) — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 20:40, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and also, as you're going along, remember to remove and stepfamily and in-laws! Trampikey ^{(talk to me)(contribs)} 20:49, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Was just about to remind you the same thing! — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 20:52, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Are we to re-order the family in the infobox in the same way? — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 20:54, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

I didn't think of that! Yes, I suppose... Dad/Mum/Bro/Sis/Spouse/Son/Daughter - but its not as important as the sections Trampikey ^{(talk to me)(contribs)} 21:18, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Do we still label half-sisters/brothers as that, or just sister/brother? oh and do we put paternal/maternal next to those half siblings? Gungadin 21:06, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Put "half-", but don't put paternal or maternal... Trampikey ^{(talk to me)(contribs)} 21:11, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Also for those who are grandparents. does grandson etc go before or after nephews?Gungadin 21:25, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Grandson should go before nephews, after grandparents. Where should Donna Ludlow's adoptive father go? Are Naomi's family real? — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 21:26, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Make an "Adoptive family" section like Sharon Rickman and Rebecca Miller (EastEnders) - and they are real ccording to the official site! Trampikey ^{(talk to me)(contribs)} 21:27, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm not doing adoptive family sections when it's just one person. I'm putting them at the end. And I'm putting half-siblings after siblings. I think I went a bit blind/mad a minute ago when I added the grandchildren to the order a) in the wrong place and b) when they were already there! — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 21:45, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Nellie Ellis

This only really applies to Gungadin doing Joe and David Wicks I think... don't forget to add Nellie Ellis! She's not on any of the family sections! She is:

• Second cousin to Lou Beale
• Second cousin once removed to Lou's kids
• Second cousin twice removed to their kids
• Second cousin three times removed to their kids
• Second cousin four times removed to Liam Butcher (and Natasha)

Trampikey ^{(talk to me)(contribs)} 21:27, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

And Rebecca! — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 21:51, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

And Rebecca... Trampikey ^{(talk to me)(contribs)} 22:02, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

I was wrong, Rebecca's only three times removed. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 23:53, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Eek...

I have to go now. I have a problem with my computer. Namely a stroppy little sister who wants to get on MSN Messenger to talk to her friends. I've only got up to Pete Beale... I'll try and do the rest tomorrow (sorry!). Possibly my good, good friend AnemoneProjectors could use his AWB on them... possibly? lol bye! =] Trampikey ^{(talk to me)(contribs)} 22:02, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

LOL! Well, AWB is only doing so much, it's still a tiring task! Damn those incestuous Slaters! I don't envy Gungadin for having the S's! I have an idea about Zoe's complicated family but we can discuss that after we've finished this. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 22:05, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

I need a break! Will finish off tomorrow. Got as far as Peggy! — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 22:15, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh damn I just did the Zoe Slater family before reading this. Took me ages to work it all out. I did it in paternal and maternal as I thought it would make more sense for this one character, what was ur idea AP?Gungadin 23:23, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't matter, what you've done is better! — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 23:50, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Finished!!

Done my bit... and doing some of Trampikey's too! Was fun ;) — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 21:36, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

About as fun as a trip to a dentist's for a kid who's eaten too many sweets! Trampikey ^{(talk to me)(contribs)} 21:42, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Well I did most of the remaining ones, but I know I didn't do Mary Flaherty! So maybe she's the only one left... but maybe not. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 00:34, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Website section on main article

Does anyone think it would be a good idea to have a section about the official EE website on the main article (and possibly something about online fandom?) Trampikey ^{(talk to me)(contribs)} 00:45, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Good idea Gungadin 01:17, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Books and merchandise

I'm proposing that the "Annuals and books" section of EastEnders merchandise be merged to the top of EastEnders books. Any objections? — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 22:36, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

none from me Gungadin 14:01, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

me neither! Trampikey ^{(talk to me)(contribs)} 15:26, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Could it do with a re-write or shall we just cut and paste? — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 19:01, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I guess it didn't need either, but thanks for commenting (!) — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 17:48, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

CFD notice

Removed cfdnotice, cfd has completed. --Kbdank71 15:14, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

How ridiculous! Trampikey ^{(talk to me)(contribs)} 09:15, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Stablepedia

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Ugh...

{{spoiler}} Looks like Petal's name is going back to Janet at around Christmas time! {{endspoiler}}

Sounds like fun for us with moving pages etc! Trampikey ^{(talk to me)(contribs)} 15:46, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

That's stupid! But it'll just be a simple move and a few changes on other articles... — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 22:14, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

move articles

I noticed that Clare Tyler is known as Clare Bates on the official website [3]. I think Nigel adopted her. I was wondering if someone could move it? as I dont wanna muck it up. Also Bianca Jackson is Bianca butcher on the oficial site [4]. Should that be moved too? Gungadin 22:42, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't know about Clare, but Bianca is Jackson. We know this from her last on-screen appearance in the Rick and Bianca special,where she applied for a college course under the name Jackson. Trampikey ^{(talk to me)(contribs)} 15:34, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh thats good about Bianca, cos I made that page and just assumed at the time she was a Jackson again following her divorce without checking the official profiles. I will have a look and see if I can find proof that Clare was adopted. Gungadin 21:26, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

I know that Wikipedia is not a forum BUT...

...is there some way we could have like a WPEE village pump-y type thing to discuss whatever we want? Trampikey ^{(talk to me)(contribs)} 20:04, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Dunno, what's that mean? — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 20:07, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Like a little WPEE forum to discuss stuff not directly relating to the improvement of articles... I think it would be nice and take some stress off... talking about Pauline and Joe on Gungadin's talk page got me thinking... Trampikey ^{(talk to me)(contribs)} 20:46, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, I don't think we can do it on Wikipedia... would be good though. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 21:22, 17 December 2006 (UTC)