Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Gaelic games/Archive 2007

Image request

Would it be possible for you to make a image where you combine picture of all the Gaelic sports such as Image:Football4.png (Gnevin 22:46, 19 December 2006 (UTC)) (copied and pasted from my talk page) I'm thinking about using these images for it, let me know what the consensus is.

• Handball
• Hurling and Camogie
• Rounders This one I'm not sure of. It's CC, but it's not a very formal game of it. I think though, it illustrates that Gaelic Games are really about the craic, not big money and taking dives for frees.
• Footba' Again, creative commons, this one seems to be a good generic club photo, but it's not that glamorous or impressive looking for the big game of GAA.

-- Pauric (talk-contributions) 00:06, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

The handball, hurling and football pics are good I think - but the one you suggested for rounders wouldn't work I don't think. It seems to much like a private family photo to work on wiki.--Macca7174 02:04, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

The football pic is non commercial which isnt allowed on wiki , need a better rounders pic also it appears to be the uk version (Gnevin 09:52, 21 December 2006 (UTC))

Any suggestions on images to use then? -- Pauric (talk-contributions) 23:25, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

[1] looks good(Gnevin 14:43, 24 December 2006 (UTC))

File:GAACollage.png
Space for rounders. -- Pauric (talk-contributions) 15:38, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

i belive it would ok to use the official logo GAA for this picture but i'll have to ask (Gnevin 18:02, 24 December 2006 (UTC))

What's this image gonna be used for? If it's something that's going to be behind the wiki scenes then the WP project logo is fine, anything appearing on the main Wiki pages should have the official logo or else no logo IMHO. That football pic is a good one but it'd be better if the use of the hands was more prominent, right now that might be mistaken for soccer. --Eamonnca1 02:51, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

I got word back its ok to use the GAA logo as long as the image is listed corrected and only used on correct pages . still no sign of a rounders game (Gnevin 15:08, 3 January 2007 (UTC))

Do you want me to maybe draw a rounders bat or something? I know it's not quite as descriptive an image, but I think we might be kind of stuck. I'd take a photo of one, only I don't have one or know anywhere in South Derry it's played.

I've emailed a club in Mayo , give it a couple of day for them to get back to me if not we'll have to consider our options (Gnevin 18:35, 3 January 2007 (UTC))

No reply back to square one (Gnevin 01:23, 12 January 2007 (UTC))

Their are several image [2] that can be tagged as {{promo}} and used for what we need , maybe you can pick out the best on Pauric(Gnevin 13:33, 12 January 2007 (UTC))

Sorry, only noticed you'd replied there now. Those rounders images are a bit low res.
200px -- Pauric (talk-contributions) 00:26, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

sorry just noticed that image now , looks great i'll give it few day for suggestions then i'll add it (Gnevin 00:40, 27 January 2007 (UTC))

When the image is complete you will need to say on the page its contains fair use images (Gnevin 00:41, 27 January 2007 (UTC))

I like the logo but it looks very bland or something, had my cousin from France look at it and he thought it looked a bit community games style. Can we get something with maybe a packed Hill or something? it will give it a more professional look. Good work so far though! Tankie ryan 01:50, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Competitions

Just saw a news report today about something called the 'O'Byrne Cup.' All the time I hear reports about this cup and that cup, and most of the time I've never heard of these competitions before. I'm recommending we start a page that has a complete list of GAA competitions and a brief summary of what each one is. I think it'd be a handy reference. --Eamonnca1 18:10, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Prolly a breach of protocol not waiting for replies but I went ahead and created it. --Eamonnca1 18:31, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

No breach wiki encourages people to WP:Be bold (Gnevin 14:53, 24 December 2006 (UTC))

Photos

I was wondering, I have a good digital camera and i was wondering if I took pictures of photos in books on Dublin GAA, would that mean I could use those photos on the pages? Frainc 16:35 28 December 2006

Fairly sure that's a violation of the books publisher/authors copyright. However if you want to go to some Gaelic matches and take pictures for us to use, feel free. :P -- Pauric (talk-contributions) 02:02, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Actually, this morning I came across a similar thing. My mother had a book relating to the GAA teams of the East Tyrone loughshore. The book doesn't say anything about copyrights or authors, and most of the pictures are from the 40s or so with big leather balls and warped looking hurlies. Anyone think I should take some pictures of this? -- Pauric (talk-contributions) 13:37, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

As per {{PD-Ireland}} — for works first published in the Republic of Ireland where all the authors died over 70 calendar years ago, or if the authors are not known, where the works were published over 70 calendar years ago. the image must of be published in 1937 or before if published in ROI . I cant find anything about the UK (Gnevin 14:00, 29 December 2006 (UTC))

What about match programs? Can we photograph imags from them? Derry Boi 15:17, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Same as above for program unless is says no copyright than copyright must be assumed (Gnevin 18:35, 3 January 2007 (UTC))

Update apparently if the person is not playing any more could might be able to claim fair use on the image (Gnevin 15:47, 5 January 2007 (UTC))

Wikipedia Day Awards

Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 19:03, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Assessment of articles??

I noticed on the Australia Wikiproject, they assess articles. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Australia/Assessment. Is this something we should consider?--Macca7174 18:14, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

To be honest i feel this is the biggest waste of time ,its so random the assessment in general are without any guidelines and given by one person, The time it would take to assess the 650+ articles in our scope can be better spent (Gnevin 19:05, 10 January 2007 (UTC))

GAA articles intro (again)

Current Intro

• The Dublin County Board of the Gaelic Athletic Association (Irish: Cummann Luthchleas Gael Coiste Contae Ath Cliath) or Dublin GAA is one of the 32 county boards of the GAA in Ireland, and is responsible for Gaelic Games in County Dublin. The county board is also responsible for the Dublin inter-county football, hurling, camogie

Suggested new intro

• The Dublin County Board of the Gaelic Athletic Association (GAA) (Irish: Cummann Luthchleas Gael Coiste Contae Ath Cliath) or Dublin GAA is one of the 32 GAA county boards of the GAA in Ireland, and is responsible for Gaelic football, hurling,Gaelic handball and Rounders colectively known as Gaelic Games in County Dublin (01:22, 12 January 2007 (UTC))

It's a bit long and seems to have removed the information about the county teams. I think the other way was fine. --Eamonnca1 23:09, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

The trouble with the current intro in my oppinion is that it says Gaelic Games and then list the sport like they are 2 seperate things (Gnevin 01:11, 17 January 2007 (UTC))

How about:

The Dublin County Board of the Gaelic Athletic Association (Irish: Cummann Luthchleas Gael Coiste Contae Ath Cliath) or Dublin GAA is one of the 32 county boards of the GAA in Ireland, and is responsible for Gaelic Games in County Dublin. The county board is also responsible for the Dublin inter-county teams.

 :::--Eamonnca1 01:14, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah i like it with the following minor changes.

The Dublin County Board of the Gaelic Athletic Association (GAA) (Irish: Cummann Luthchleas Gael Coiste Contae Ath Cliath) or Dublin GAA is one of the 32 county boards of the GAA in Ireland, and is responsible for Gaelic Games in County Dublin. The county board is also responsible for the Dublin inter-county teams. (Gnevin 01:19, 18 January 2007 (UTC))

Note the use of Ireland could be a problem in terms of the WP:IMOS(Gnevin 01:43, 18 January 2007 (UTC))

WP:IMOS says "A large number of Republic of Ireland towns and villages (and other types of articles too) state that they are in Ireland, not Republic of Ireland in the opening paragraph. This is misleading as it creates the impression that Ireland is one state. A compromise has been proposed at WP:IWNB that the form "is a town on the coast of [[County Cork]], [[Republic of Ireland|Ireland]]" should be used. This is already widely used and will allow it to appear as Ireland whilst linking to Republic of, as per Follow_local_conventions"

I don't think this is a problem for GAA clubs because the organisation is a world organisation and is not confined to any one state. --Eamonnca1 18:08, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

After reviewing a few articles it should be fine (Gnevin 20:54, 18 January 2007 (UTC))

If not one has any objections will be make these changes by the end of next week(Gnevin 21:50, 26 January 2007 (UTC))

Done (Gnevin 23:55, 28 January 2007 (UTC))

Connolly

Would it be possible for someone with more skill than me to alter the article on Dermot Connolly to actually reflect the lad's name. His name is Diarmuid, not Dermot. This is what he was christened by his parents and it is the name they and his teachers use. Lazy journalists have not exactly helped! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.102.101 (talk • contribs) 22:49, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I'll happilly do it, if you can provide some reference that that's what most people call him. I'd go ahead and take your word for it, but making a change into Irish going by an anonymous users suggestion would send the many aggressive unionists on this site mad. -- Pauric (talk-contributions) 23:14, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree i'd normally happily move but a quick search hasn't shown the above usage (Gnevin 01:13, 17 January 2007 (UTC))

I taught him for five years and coached him in both football and hurling in school. I also work with his father, who is a teacher in the school. The reason there are no references to him being called Diarmuid is, as I have suggested above, mainly down to lazy journalists. And I really don't see what unionists have to do with this. The lad's given name is Diarmuid, not Dermot. There are a number of links below, including one from the school's website, all listing his propoer name if that's any good.

http://archives.tcm.ie/carlownationalist/2002/11/04/story3449.asp

http://www.hill16.ie/viewstoryhill16.asp?mainheading=2nd+Level+Schools&id=200&viewstory=yes

http://www.websitesandtournaments.com/ardscoilris/alan/currentreports/sportsactivities.htm

I'll take your word for it, I can't see anyone complaining about this. My references to unionists was just that there is sometimes controversy on wikipedia on using Irish words. I was a bit quick shooting my mouth there though, I'll change this name now. -- Pauric (talk-contributions) 00:27, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

In fairness no unionist worth his salt gives a damn about Gaelic Games. Added to that it is not an Irish word, it is an Irish name and, as stated already, the name that appears on his birth certificate. I appreciate you changing it, and so does he!

Gaelic Games Template

I've created two templates , please tell me which you like best and any improvement it might need

A

B

They are very wide - could you not narrow them so they don't take up so much space?--Macca7174 00:18, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Down to 75% , is that better? (Gnevin 01:06, 18 January 2007 (UTC))

it is better, but they still look like they are wasting a lot of space because of they way they are center justified. THis may be my opinion only?--Macca7174 00:08, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I think they look good. I can see where Macca is coming from, but I don't have any suggestions to improve unfortunately. -- Pauric (talk-contributions) 00:21, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

So should we go with A or B my vote would be with B (Gnevin 23:45, 21 January 2007 (UTC))

A --Eamonnca1 03:59, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

B--Macca7174 08:37, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

ok i went with B see {{Gaelic Games}}(Gnevin 01:55, 26 January 2007 (UTC))

Peter Canavan Good Article Nom

I have nominated Peter Canavan for WP:GA status. here is the candidates page.--Macca7174 21:33, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I have made major revisions to the Peter Canavan article, could someone check it for typos, or bad markups etc??--Macca7174 14:05, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Merge

Copyed from WP:IWNB

Added merge proposal template to Up the Deise. Article seems to have been created purely to advertise a .COM of the same name, and likely isn't worthy of article on own - but could be merged to Waterford GAA. Comments at Talk:Waterford GAA before I go ahead and merge. Guliolopez 16:28, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

(Gnevin 21:20, 22 January 2007 (UTC))

Done(Gnevin 21:49, 26 January 2007 (UTC))

2006 Hurling all stars

Can someone please add the 2006 all stars to GAA_All_Stars_Awards_Past_Winners_(Hurling) (Gnevin 00:39, 23 January 2007 (UTC))

done- I went against type a bit, so maybe you should check it out. Also some of the wikilinks are red, so if someone could change them to the proper namespace.--Macca7174 10:16, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

OK i've tided and add the category to each player (Gnevin 19:15, 26 January 2007 (UTC))

Suggestions wanted

Any suggestion on how to improve {{Hurling All-Irelands}}

I've included the newly created football one as a comparison

(Gnevin 00:02, 29 January 2007 (UTC))

Well, uniformity would definately be the order of the day - I think we need to decide on one of those formats. I think it would be highly difficult to recreate the standards of each championship for the last hundred years (1990 hurling is particularly good), especially since sources are extremely difficult to come by the further back you go.

Maybe it would be a better idea to sum up the championships by decades. For example, "In the 60's, Kikenny won the All-Ireland [#] times, notably in 196[#], when they beat [#] in a pulsating final. Other notable champions in the 60's were [#], who beat [#] in the 1967 final." - obviously the more information we get the more comprehensive the articles will get - and eventually we could use individual year namespaces.--Macca7174 17:31, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

What you all think of this  ?

User:Gnevin/sandbox6(Gnevin 16:49, 13 February 2007 (UTC))

Kit template for Errigal Ciarán

I don't know how to create a kit properly. If someone knows how to do it, there are pictures of the Errigal Cairan kit here. Errigal is the team in the ladies match, with white tops and blue shorts.--Macca7174 17:31, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Done see Talk:Errigal Ciarán(Gnevin 17:33, 1 February 2007 (UTC))

{{Infobox GAA player}} {{Infobox GAA dualplayer}}

I have updated both of these infoboxs with fields for NFL, NHL and occupation (Gnevin 19:26, 5 February 2007 (UTC))

All-Ireland winners nominated for deletion

nominated for deletion see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Harte
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ryan Mellon
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cormac McGinley (Gnevin 16:09, 8 February 2007 (UTC))

Hey, guys, cheers for the help with these AfDs. I had started these articles ages ago, and I was pretty rusty as to wikifying. They were nom'd in the worst possible time for me, since I was so busy for the last week.--Macca7174 13:45, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Anyone out their?

Well ? Seems like i'm on my own again , anyway back to tagging pages with {{GaelicGamesProject}} with AWB(Gnevin 23:51, 19 February 2007 (UTC))

Peter Canavan

Could someone write a longer intro to Peter Canavan. It's quite difficult for me to do it, because I wrote it myself, and find it difficult to look at it objectively. Thanks--Macca7174 13:17, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

I was considering radically restructuring the Canavan article, because as it is (each significant year of his career given a subtitle of its own), it doesn't read very fluidly, and certainly doesn't look much like a good encyclopedia article. However, having seen Alex Ferguson, I'm not so sure it needs such a radical makeover. Anyone else have any thoughts??--Macca7174 01:13, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Gilberto Silva and Denis Lawis are FA and would proberly best to base the canavan article on these rather than ferguson (Gnevin 07:34, 11 April 2007 (UTC))

Flag of Irland in IRF

Hi everybody,
I was wondering, ¿do the irish inter rules football team or the GAA use a flag for their matches? Maybe the four provinces or the Saint Patrick's cross flag. Regards. Ffahm 14:18, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi , yes the GAA use the Flag of Ireland (Gnevin 14:54, 6 March 2007 (UTC))

Thanks Gnevin. One last question: ¿the tricolour flag represents all Ireland or only the Republic of Ireland in GAA matches?. Ffahm 15:01, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

For the purpose of Inter county GAA matches the tricolour is flowen not matter what ,even if its London v New York. The GAA like the IRFU are and all ireland body and the one Ireland team repersents the whole of the island in interional rules games , hope that helps (Gnevin 16:20, 6 March 2007 (UTC))

OK, thanks for your time. Ffahm 17:11, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Picture of Brian Dooher

considering the fair use rationale for Peter Canavan's picture, that it's a historically significant picture, because it shows him lifting Sam, could the same rationale be used to justify a similar picture of Brian Dooher? Also, Gnevin, where did you get the picture for Canavan?--Macca7174 18:44, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I say you should be able to claim fair use esp if its on him with sam once its not a general shot of him playing as a current player wiki expect us to be able to get a free image of him, I got the peter shot from [3] and you should also read [4][(Gnevin 19:01, 6 March 2007 (UTC))

Ok cheers, so, there's a few pictures on BBC websites, here is probably the best one. How do I put it up onto the page??--Macca7174 00:38, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry about the major late reply , must of missed it on my watchlist somehow, any way i've added the image (Gnevin 19:01, 10 April 2007 (UTC)).

Actually - i went ahead and put the photo up anyway, but it was removed. Maybe you'll have justified better...?--Macca7174 00:46, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Hmm very strange, fair use can well be claimed , i'll keep the picture on my watchlist (Gnevin 07:43, 11 April 2007 (UTC))

We should start using del.icio.us bookmarks to help each other with sources

I don't know how many of you are aware of del.icio.us, but basically you can save webpages, with tags giving people a clue as to what is on them. I think this would really help our cause if we all got a del.icio.us account.

Basically every time we are doing some research, it is inevitable that we will come across pages about other players. We could tag those pages with "WikipediaSource" + [county] + [GAA] + [player' names].

For example, I have tagged this page with GAA Wexford Tyrone FergalLogan MattyForde Ireland WikipediaSource RTE. It is an article regarding Matty Forde's appeal against suspension.

Here is the tags I have saved so far under [WikipediaSource]. So far most of them are Tyrone pages, really. But if everyone got on board, it would quickly expand, making life much easier for us all.--Macca7174 11:45, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

All-Star Subcategories Nom'd for deletion

Here is a discussion as to whether to delete the subcategories of the yearly All-Stars. (eg Category:1980 All-Star (football) etc)I think they are invaluable, although underused especially pre-1990's, which is probably why they are being considered for deletion. Fight to save them please.--Macca7174 09:18, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Update: The discussion ended without consensus - which means a shallow victory for us - there is nothing to stop people repeating this discussion once a month for however long.

One good thing did come out of it however - a suggestion about an All Stars table. The person actually suggested using it on Peter Canavan's page, but it wouldn't work there. It works perfectly on Tyrone GAA, although it has a slight shortfall - this is how it looks: -

Player	1980	1984	1986	1989	1994	1995	1996	2001	2002	2003	2004	2005
Kevin McCabe	*
Eugene McKenna		*	*	*
Frank McGuigan		*
John Lynch			*
Plunkett Donaghy			*
Damien O'Hagan			*
Peter Canavan					*	*	*		*	*		*
Fay Devlin						*
Finbar McConnell							*
Stephen O'Neill									*			*
Cormac McAnallen										*
Conor Gormley										*		*
Phillip Jordan										*		*
Sean Cavanagh										*	*	*
Brian Dooher										*		*
Brian McGuigan										*
Ryan McMenamin												*
Eoin Mulligan												*

The 'stars' are too small and inconspicuous - Could someone draw up a symbol for an all star?? I am tempted just to use a small barnstar logo, but it is hardly a long term prospect. It would look great if there was a star symbol, and a worthy addition to any county page, i think.--Macca7174 19:22, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

user:Pauric would be the man to ask for a logo, the tables are good the only problem i see it how do you handle a county like kerry with 60 + all stars? over 30+ years (Gnevin 08:21, 27 March 2007 (UTC))

infobox referee??

I have started the stub on Pat McEnaney, is there a need for infoboxes does anyone think??--Macca7174 12:48, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Hmm , i dont know i suppose i could change up the manager box, how much need would their be for it ?

Pat is the most notible ref would any of the rest pass WP:NN (Gnevin 09:51, 10 April 2007 (UTC))

Category:All-Ireland-winning captains (football)

Can we discuss this before moving it a possible third time , should it be named Category:All-Ireland winning captains (football)(Gnevin 09:51, 10 April 2007 (UTC))

It was me who told user:Leo1977 to change the spelling Category:All-Ireland-winning captains (football). It was badly mispelled before that, although I had my own doubts about the double hyphenation. I'm pretty sure All-Ireland-winning is grammatically sound, but if it looks peculiar to some maybe the whole category should be rephrased. All-Ireland Final-winning captains... perhaps? or Successful All-Ireland hurling/football final captains?--Macca7174 00:54, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

A other thought is that should senior be included in the category title ? (Gnevin 07:36, 11 April 2007 (UTC))

Any ideas (Gnevin 20:56, 3 May 2007 (UTC))

Including 'senior' implies that we are going to create a category for Minor and U-21 captains. It would be difficult to justify the validity of these I would image.--Macca7174 00:33, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

I was more thinking down the lines of not including senior would allow people to have u21 and minor mixed in such as Bryan Cullen(Gnevin 10:40, 4 May 2007 (UTC))

How about [Sam Maguire-winning captains], or [Captains of Sam/Liam-winning teams] - Maybe we don't even have to differentiate between football and hurling?--Macca7174 13:33, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Update's to {{Infobox GAA player}} and {{Infobox GAA dualplayer}}

Please take note ,the above have been changed and height and DOB will needed to be update to show correctly (Gnevin 20:56, 3 May 2007 (UTC))

All-Ireland templates

Whats are others opinions on templates such as {{Tyrone Football Team 1995}} ? I would like to suggest that a category would be better for theses ? Such as Category:1995 All-Ireland Winner(football).(Gnevin 13:20, 9 May 2007 (UTC))

If you look at Roy Keane, he has a template for the 2002 Ireland World cup squad - which is a handy link between players bios. We would have a repeat of the debate about Category:1995 All Star (football) - because players like Pat Spillane would have eight All-Ireland years, nine or so All Star years, plus all the other categories he has, and the issue was that the categories were taking too much space at the bottom of the article

And, incidently, Tyrone didn't win the 95 All-Ireland, but it was only their second appearance in a final - which I thought merited a template. I definitely don't intend to do one for every year - or even every Ulster-winning panel.--Macca7174 00:30, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

All Star, All-Star or All star

This is releated to the Peter Canavan article. Which of the above is correct , i think the should be All Star (Gnevin 07:31, 16 May 2007 (UTC))

I'm pretty certain it's All Star - any incidents of All-Star on my part, was purely out of habit from writing All-Ireland.--Macca7174 00:24, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok i'll need to update the infoboxes then (Gnevin 11:13, 17 May 2007 (UTC))

All-Ireland Senior Football Championship 2007

I have started adding the scorers to the Ulster table of the 2007 championship page. I think this should be a habit we should get into. This is very informative, and will look good come the end of the year and it would mean we could keep a top scorers list up to date relatively easily (I'm pretty sure I've only ever seen these in match programmes). This site (Gaelic Survival) gives the scorers for all the matches (the paddy papers might do it, but I'm in London, and don't see those), as well as team lineouts. I suggest you check it ax.--Macca7174 20:23, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

has the GAA announced a date for the qualifiers draw??--Macca7174 10:27, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

RTÉ's showing it live after the Leitrim vs Galway match on Sunday. The draw's taking place in Carrick-on-Shannon. Derry Boi 21:26, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Some useful profiles

Here and Here have some useful profiles/interviews with certain players that we might find of use. I'm sure most of us already know of the Hoganstand one, but just in case. Derry Boi 20:04, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Programmes (again)

Its seems very difficult getting date of births for GAA players. As we all know programmes usually prove useless as far as DOBs are concerned, but I've noticed the programme for the 1994 game between Derry and Down (regarded by many as the best game ever) has DOBs, so maybe just maybe all of the 1994 programmes have DOBs (if anyone has any knocking about). I know its a long shot, but anything with regards to date of births is worth mentioning. Derry Boi 20:11, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I have a few programmes from Tyrone's 2005 run, and they seem to be random as to which ones give DOBs. The semi final does, the final doesn't. interestingly, Ryan McMenamin's DOB is never published, if anyone is feeling speculative...--Macca7174_talk 13:15, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Britain and County Status

The info box on the London GAA page has London as having 'special county' status. Thats not the case. London is a defacto county of the gaa - part of the Province of Britain - in the eyes of the GAA - along with the 6 other 'counties' in Britain.

The special county is for the likes of New york(Gnevin 23:09, 19 July 2007 (UTC))

Infobox for managers.

Was just wondering if it'd be a good idea to have some sort of different infobox for managers like Eamonn Coleman, Kevin Heffernan and Joe Kernan who had successful playing careers as well as succesful managerial careers. I suppose something in the mould of a dualplayer infobox would be good, where we could put in details of their playing career as well as managerial behaviour. What does everyone else think? Derry Boi 13:56, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Already have it {{Infobox GAA manager}} (Gnevin 16:20, 22 July 2007 (UTC))

Yeah but I mean an infobox where we can include their playing honours/clubs/county career, etc as well as their managerial career info if you get my drift.Derry Boi 23:46, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

If they where players use {{Infobox GAA player}} ,merging the two is far too confusing over 50 fields (Gnevin 19:35, 23 July 2007 (UTC))

Is there a format for clubs names

Their is no hard and fast rules but its Generally X GAA or X GFC which ever applies best (Gnevin 16:37, 28 July 2007 (UTC))

What format do you advise?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ruairí Óg's (talk • contribs)

X GAA covers all bases. (Gnevin 16:46, 28 July 2007 (UTC))

What do I do about the Ruairí Óg's page now?

Anyone know of an online resource?

Anyone know of an online resource that gives stats, for lack of a better word, for Gaelic players? I was just looking for more sources to add to the Seán O'Connor article, which has ended up at AFD, although I tend to think it has ended up there as a victim of another article of the same name that was deleted for good reasons. I can find match reports, of course, but I was wondering if anyone had other sources? (The fact that I am from Limerick is entirely coincidental. ) FlowerpotmaN·(t) 22:34, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

I've posted on the AFD in question. As for sources , Google is all i know (Gnevin 12:40, 14 August 2007 (UTC))

Copyright

The GAA is over 120 years old, I would imagine that the logo Image:Gaelic_Athletic_Association.png is of a similar age (which I would imagine puts it under the UK system), does anyone know if/when the copyright expires/expired? The Fashion Icon 19:37, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

The copyright never expires or wont until 80 years after the GAA no longer exist as far as i know (Gnevin 20:03, 3 September 2007 (UTC))

Expert review: Drum GAC

As part of the Notability wikiproject, I am trying to sort out whether Drum GAC is notable enough for an own article. I would appreciate an expert opinion. For details, see the article's talk page. If you can spare some time, please add your comments there. Thanks! --B. Wolterding 15:00, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

AfD for Shane O'Rorke

The article for Dublin hurler Shane O'Rorke has been nominated for deletion. Bláthnaid 22:08, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

It does verge on fancruft slightly, especially considering he has not played senior intercounty hurling yet. Maybe if was it a bit more dispassionate it would be less conspicuous for AfD.--Macca7174_talk 15:07, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Category renaming proposal

Participants in this project may have noticed that I have been busy for the last week renaming the by-county categories in Ireland to include the word "county". Previously, this had been used inconsistently, with some categories named in the format "Stuff in Sligo" and some named as "Stuff in County Sligo". Most of the categories have been renamed, but there are a few outstanding nominations (see the the list here and also a final catch-all tidyup CfR nomination).

One group nomination, which will probably closed today, is CfR October 9/Gaelic Athletic Association clubs by county.

However, in the course of trawling the category for more categories to rename, I also came across a dose of other county-based GAA categories, listed here:

Camogie payers

• Category:Dublin camogie players, Category:Kilkenny camogie players, Category:Tipperary camogie players

Footballers

• Category:Armagh Gaelic footballers, Category:Carlow Gaelic footballers, Category:Cavan Gaelic footballers, Category:Cork Gaelic footballers, Category:Derry Gaelic footballers, Category:Donegal Gaelic footballers, Category:Down Gaelic footballers, Category:Dublin Gaelic footballers, Category:Fermanagh Gaelic footballers, Category:Galway Gaelic footballers, Category:Kerry Gaelic footballers, Category:Kildare Gaelic footballers, Category:Laois Gaelic footballers, Category:Leitrim Gaelic footballers, Category:Limerick Gaelic footballers, Category:Mayo Gaelic footballers, Category:Meath Gaelic footballers, Category:Offaly Gaelic footballers, Category:Roscommon Gaelic footballers, Category:Sligo Gaelic footballers, Category:Tipperary Gaelic footballers, Category:Tyrone Gaelic footballers, Category:Waterford Gaelic footballers, Category:Wexford Gaelic footballers

Hurlers

• Category:Antrim hurlers, Category:Clare hurlers, Category:Cork hurlers, Category:Derry hurlers, Category:Dublin hurlers, Category:Galway hurlers, Category:Kerry hurlers, Category:Kildare hurlers, Category:Kilkenny hurlers, Category:Laois hurlers, Category:Limerick hurlers, Category:Offaly hurlers, Category:Tipperary hurlers, Category:Waterford hurlers, Category:Wexford hurlers

Club championship records

• Category:Leitrim Club Championship Records, Category:Mayo Club Championship Records, Category:Sligo Club Championship Records

I have not so far proposed renaming any of these categories, because I'm unsure of what the right approach is. So far as I understand the county GAA associations do not include the word "county" in their names, so we have Cork GAA and Sligo GAA rather than County Cork GAA and County Sligo GAA.

On the basis that player categories should follow the names of the teams, the athletes-by-county categories should continue to limit the word "county" if they are categories for players from the county team ... but that is they are fir players of that sport from within the geographical countym, then the word county should be included. Can anyone clarify how these categories are being used?

It seems to me that for clarity the club championship record categories should be reamed to include "GAA", and they should also lose the word "records", and become general categories for the county championships, which is how they are being used anyway (Category:GAA County Championships is rather big, and it would be a good idea to create a championship category for each county. So In propose that the 3 existing categories should be renamed like this:

• Category:Leitrim Club Championship Records should be renamed to Category:Leitrim GAA club championships (fixing the capitalisation as well)

... and that similar categories should be created for the other counties. Any thoughts on this? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:44, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

First quick idea while on lunch is that Category:Gaelic Athletic Association clubs in Dublin should go to Category:Gaelic Athletic Association clubs in County Dublin, more to follow Gnevin 11:48, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm not quite sure what you mean by that. Are you suggesting that the championship articles should be categorised with club articles? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:54, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Just talking about the GAA club by location cat such as Category:Gaelic Athletic Association clubs in Dublin should be changed Category:Gaelic Athletic Association clubs in County Dublin to keep it inline with other stuff in county x cats. I'll have a better look at the other stuff later Gnevin 13:17, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorry just noticed you've already done that Gnevin 13:18, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Don't remember anything beng described as "in County Sligo", was always "in Sligo" as far I can recall, but I see what you mean. Regarding the Club Championship Records, the reason I gave it that title was because it was going to refer to year-by-year accounts of those Championships, and not the actual Championhip in question. It had to be done because Sligo was taking up rather a large amount of room on the County Championships page. Fire ahead with those changes anyway if you think it's necessary. Owenmoresider 14:21, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

The players are fine as is , go with the change for the 3 club championships. We can create the other cats for the other categorys —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gnevin (talk • contribs) 15:40, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

OK, I have created the new categories for each of the 32 counties (see Category:GAA County Championships), and populated them all. I have also nominated the iold categories for merger into the new ones: see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 October 16#County_GAA_Club_Championship_Records. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:11, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

In the case of three old categories which I created, you could just remove them if possible, I can't seem to do that for whatever reason. One thing though - which I wanted to avoid, with regard to Sligo in particular, and Mayo, Leitrim and soon Donegal also, was to mix the Championship yearly pages (e.g. for 1984 etc.) in with the pages about the actual competitions, the result now being that all the Sligo competitions are stuck in amongst 70-odd pages for each SFC/IFC year. If you could tidy that up for me I'd be grateful. Owenmoresider 14:54, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

The old categories have been nominated for deletion: see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 October 16#County_GAA_Club_Championship_Records (I can't just speedily delete them unless they have been empty for at least five days).

I think that the tidying-up needed is just a bit of indexing, to get the pages about the actual competitions to appear at the top of the category list. I'll do that now. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:15, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Done Mayo, Leitrim and Sligo. If anyone wants to achieve the same effect for other counties, just index the articles with a space and they'll float to the top of the list. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:30, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

By-year categories

There is currently a patchy set of by-year categories for GAA sports: see Category:1892 in gaelic football, Category:1983 in gaelic football, Category:1995 in gaelic football, Category:2007 in gaelic football, and Category:2007 in hurling.

All of the categories appear to be underpopulated: there seem to be more by-year articles which could go in these categories, and there many more by-year articles which do not have a category. However, none of these categories is going to be big, and it seems to be to more practical to have a series of GAA-by-year categories, to include both football and hurling events, plus camogie (tho I don't so far see any by-year camogie articles). So I propose creating a series of categories of the form Category:2007 in gaelic games, Category:2006 in gaelic games, etc, and then merging the hurling and football categories into the new ones.

I have built a list of all the by-year articles, and can easily use WP:AWB to create and populate the new categories if that's what folks would like done. Any thoughts? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:26, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

I have just done the counting: there are a total of 347 articles whose title includes a year, from the following 80 years: 1887, 1888, 1891, 1892, 1894, 1897, 1898, 1899, 1901, 1902, 1906, 1907, 1908, 1914, 1921, 1922, 1923, 1926, 1928, 1939, 1940, 1941, 1942, 1943, 1944, 1946, 1947, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960, 1961, 1963, 1964, 1965, 1966, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008.

It's only in the last three years that the numbers per year exceeds ten, but that still seems to me to be enough to justify a series of by-year categories. And of course there will be more dated articles whose title doesn't include a year. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:53, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

if the catefories do look underpopulated, I would suggest do it be gaelic games, because that could also include landmark decisions by the GAA (eg. the decision to scrap rule 42 could be put in Cat:2005 in Gaelic Games, the decision to include the backdoor system could be included in 2001 in Gaelic games etc.--Macca7174_talk 12:32, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah go with X year in Gaelic Games , note Capital G as it's a name unless should crazy wiki by-law said this isn't the correct practice Gnevin 15:11, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Looking at the Category:2007 in sports and other similar categories, it seems that the national adjective can be capitalised, so I'll create the categories tonight as "yyyy in Gaelic Games" (with a capital G). --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:45, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

By-year categories created

I have now created the by-year categories: see Category:Years in Gaelic Games and sub-categories. You'll see that the structure includes by-decade categories such as Category:1990s in Gaelic Games, which can be useful for events which span a few years, as well as providing a useful grouping of categories.

I have also nominated the old by-year categories for deletion: see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 October 18#Years_in_Gaelic_games, where your comments would be welcome.

In the course of recategorising articles to the new categories, I found a large number of unreferenced article, which are now tagged as such. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:31, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

CFD for WikiProject Gaelic Games

At the recently-closed CFD, it was requested that the closing admin drop a note here to make sure the templates were updated. I went ahead and make the updates to the obvious templates, but can someone here just give it a look over to make sure I didn't miss anything? Thanks. --Kbdank71 16:16, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Renaming Gaelic Games to Gaelic games

As per WP:CAPS and in line with other titles such as American football and Highland games, I've renamed Gaelic Games to Gaelic games (only proper nouns would be exempt from the use of the lower case). Most links are already directing to the new name, but much of the text on these project pages, for example, is still linking to the the old name. Maybe someone who is a member would like to have a look? Thanks. Schcambo (talk) 16:13, 24 November 2007 (UTC)