Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Higher education
This is the talk page for discussing WikiProject Higher education and anything related to its purposes and tasks. |
|
Archives: Index, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13Auto-archiving period: 60 days |
This project page does not require a rating on Wikipedia's content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||
|
WikiProject Higher education was featured in a WikiProject Report in the Signpost on 30 August 2010. |
Request for Expert Contributions
editDear Authors,
I hope this message finds you well. I am reaching out to invite your expertise and collaboration in improving the quality and accuracy of the Wikipedia article draft on Don Bosco College, Panjim. As experts and contributors in this field, your insights and contributions would be invaluable in ensuring that the information presented is comprehensive, accurate, and up-to-date.
The current draft can be found here: Draft:Don Bosco College, Panjim
We are particularly looking for improvements in the following areas:
- History: Detailed historical background and significant milestones.
- Academic Programs: Comprehensive list and descriptions of academic programs offered.
- Notable Alumni: Information on notable alumni and their achievements.
- References: Addition of reliable sources to improve the article's credibility.
- Notability: Information and sources that demonstrate the college's significance and impact.
Improving the notability of the draft is crucial for its acceptance as a full Wikipedia article. Notability can be established through reliable secondary sources such as news articles, academic papers, and books that discuss the college in detail.
Contributing to Wikipedia is a collaborative and transparent process. You can make edits directly to the draft, or if you prefer, share your suggestions and sources here, and we can incorporate them accordingly. Your contributions will be properly cited, ensuring that your work is recognized.
Thank you for considering this request. Your participation would greatly enrich the Wikipedia community and help disseminate reliable information to a global audience.
Best regards,
Xcus
If you have any questions or need assistance with editing, please do not hesitate to reach out.
Note: This request has been made in good faith to improve the quality of Wikipedia articles and is in accordance with Wikipedia's guidelines for sourcing and citation. Please ensure that all contributions adhere to Wikipedia's content policies, including verifiability and no original research.
Disputed edits about Association of Independent Colleges and Universities of Pennsylvania (AICUP)
editI disagree with and have reverted many of the edits made by PA4C101 that added a sentence about the Association of Independent Colleges and Universities of Pennsylvania (AICUP) to all articles for members of that organization, a few dozen articles total. I am opening this discussion here as it's a centralized location where we can more efficiently discussed these identical edits spanning many articles.
Simply put, I object to adding even a sentence about this organization to these articles as it's undue weight. Membership in this organization just is not meaningful, interesting, or impactful enough to warrant mentioning among the dozens or more organizations of which these colleges and universities are also members. ElKevbo (talk) 00:04, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Seems like fairly trivial info to me. Semper fi! FieldMarine (talk) 02:34, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Having had a quick look, I'm not even convinced that the organisation is WP:NOTABLE. Certainly doesn't look to be very meaningful and, on searching a (small) sample of websites of the member institutions, it seems that it is hardly mentioned. Robminchin (talk) 03:08, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- This body is the sole representative for 85 colleges and 280,000 students, so of course it's relevant to include this information.
- Please see peer organizations listed on dozens of college pages. Example: Pages that link to "Association of Independent Colleges and Universities in Massachusetts"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Association_of_Independent_Colleges_and_Universities_in_Massachusetts
- · Massachusetts Institute of Technology (links | edit)
- · Williams College (links | edit)
- · Amherst College (links | edit)
- · Boston University (links | edit)
- · Brandeis University (links | edit)
- · Tufts University (links | edit)
- · Mount Holyoke College (links | edit)
- · Hampshire College (links | edit)
- · Wellesley College (links | edit)
- · Babson College (links | edit)
- · Olin College (links | edit)
- · Boston College (links | edit)
- · Clark University (links | edit)
- · Worcester Polytechnic Institute (links | edit)
- · Suffolk University (links | edit)
- · Northeastern University (links | edit)
- · Emerson College (links | edit)
- · College of the Holy Cross (links | edit)
- · New England Conservatory of Music (links | edit)
- · Merrimack College (links | edit)
- · Springfield College (links | edit)
- · Wentworth Institute of Technology (links | edit)
- · Boston Baptist College (links | edit)
- · Wheelock College (links | edit)
- · Western New England University (links | edit)
- · Ralph Hexter (links | edit)
- · Nichols College (links | edit)
- · Massachusetts College of Pharmacy and Health Sciences (links | edit)
- · Gregory S. Prince Jr. (links | edit)
- · Gregory H. Adamian (links | edit)
- · Harvard University (links | edit)
- · Frederick M. Lawrence (links | edit)
- · MGH Institute of Health Professions (links | edit) PA4C101 (talk) 13:36, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- That's it's a representative body is not actually an argument that it's particularly important in terms of the colleges concerned or even that it's notable. As noted above, the colleges themselves don't seem to think it particularly worth mentioning on their own webpages. Robminchin (talk) 13:55, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- But they do mention it on their own pages. That's the Massachusetts example, showing that two dozens colleges like Harvard and MIT mention their representative body on their page (Association of Independent Colleges and Universities in Massachusetts).
- The only reason this does not show in Pennsylvania is because the Wikipedia editors continue to delete the page. In doing so, they are silencing 280,000 students, the largest body of college students in the state, larger than the state and state related school system, which are allowed to have Wiki pages. PA4C101 (talk) 14:54, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Wikipedia editors do not actually have the power to delete things from colleges' own webpages, that's the colleges failing to think AICUP is important enough to mention. The question at hand is simply whether this organisation is important enough, on its own merits, to mention in the articles of the members or whether, given that those same members seemingly don't care enough to make much of it on their own webpages, that would be WP:UNDUE. You need arguments other than WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, particularly where it is unclear that the 'other stuff' is actually equivalent, to justify inclusion. Robminchin (talk) 17:14, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- No one is "silencing 280,000 students." It simply doesn't appear that the organization merits mention in articles because it hasn't played a large enough role to be included in those encyclopedia articles. It's not a slight - there are thousands of organizations and tens or hundreds of thousands of people who have been involved or are currently involved in those institutions but they also don't have enough independent sourcing to merit including in those encyclopedia articles.
- Given the information that is currently available, I am skeptical that either of these articles would survive a deletion nomination. If you would like the article(s) to remain, I strongly encourage you to locate and add independent reliable sources that are focused on the organization in question.
- (For the sake of transparency, please be aware that I have also removed the similar Massachusetts organization from the infoboxes of all of the articles listed above. The documentation for that template requires that academic affiliations "provide essential definition of the institution" and that organization does not rise to that level.) ElKevbo (talk) 21:44, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- And I've tagged Association of Independent Colleges and Universities in Massachusetts for lack of independent/in-depth sourcing sufficient to emonstrate notability. DMacks (talk) 00:04, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- That's it's a representative body is not actually an argument that it's particularly important in terms of the colleges concerned or even that it's notable. As noted above, the colleges themselves don't seem to think it particularly worth mentioning on their own webpages. Robminchin (talk) 13:55, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
Daniel Diermeier updates
editHi editors, I made a request on the Daniel Diermeier article Talk page that might be of interest to the folks here to add some content related to his time as chancellor of Vanderbilt University. I would greatly appreciate any feedback or assistance you can offer. I have a COI so I can't make these changes myself. Thank you in advance for any help you can offer. Cheers VandyBE (talk) 15:20, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
List of fictional British and Irish universities
editMembers of this WikiProject may be interested in the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of fictional British and Irish universities. PamD 22:51, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- That list survived AfD though is now renamed as List of fictional universities. Will editors with knowledge of non-UK&Ireland fictional institutions (in literature, film, TV, internet, videogames, examples in teaching materials, etc) please contribute to globalising the list? Thanks.
- Members of this project may be interested in three more AfD discussions: List of fictional Cambridge colleges, List of fictional Oxford colleges and List of fictional Oxbridge colleges. PamD 20:44, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Merge of inactive higher education wikiprojects
editThere are a large number of inactive or semi-active wikiprojects related to higher education, mostly on individual universities:
- WikiProject Bangladeshi Universities
- WikiProject Florida International University
- WikiProject Georgia Tech
- WikiProject MTSU
- WikiProject Mizzou
- WikiProject Polytechnic University of the Philippines
- WikiProject University of California
- WikiProject University of Pennsylvania
- WikiProject University of Pittsburgh
Added to proposal 19/07/2024:
- WikiProject Brigham Young University
- WikiProject Cal Poly Pomona
- WikiProject Florida State University
- WikiProject Stanford University
- WikiProject University of Belgrade
- WikiProject University of Cambridge
- WikiProject University of Central Florida
- WikiProject University of Connecticut
- WikiProject University of Florida
- WikiProject University of Houston
- WikiProject University of Southeastern Philippines
- WikiProject University of Southern California
- WikiProject University of the Philippines
- WikiProject Virginia Tech
Removed from proposal 19/07/2024 (already operating under another project):
- WikiProject Columbia University
- WikiProject Cornell University
- WikiProject Dartmouth College
- WikiProject East Carolina University
- WikiProject Notre Dame
- WikiProject Ohio Wesleyan University
- WikiProject Pennsylvania State University
- WikiProject Rutgers
- WikiProject State University of New York
- WikiProject Texas A&M
- WikiProject University of Massachusetts
- WikiProject University of North Texas
- WikiProject University of Texas at Austin
- WikiProject University of Virginia
- WikiProject Washington University in St. Louis
- WikiProject West Virginia University
Removed from proposal 20/07/2024:
I propose merging these projects into WikiProject Higher education in order to redirect interested editors to a more active group, stimulate collaboration on the broader topic, and reduce duplicate work in maintaining talk page banners etc. The process is quite straightforward and is outlined at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Guide/Merging WikiProjects. – Joe (talk) 18:00, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support Great idea! Go for it. -- Melchior2006 (talk) 19:00, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support all. Not sure if there was ever sufficient activity to warrant wikiprojects on topics as niche as an individual institution, but in 2024 there certainly is not. Sdkb talk 19:15, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support This seems like the best place for them. Robminchin (talk) 19:26, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Seems like the right place to address. Comment that the list above is a bunch of individual US universities, and a broader (though still fairly narrow) project for Bangladeshi universities. The latter is of a slightly different nature. I think it's probably still reasonably well served by merging here. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 19:37, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. How exactly would this proposed merge work? Some of these projects are already essentially task forces of their respective US state projects, for example, Wikipedia:WikiProject State University of New York is already a subproject of Wikipedia:WikiProject New York (state) and operates under the Template:WikiProject New York banner. Would that project continue to operate under WikiProject New York, or would everything be merged in here instead? On another note, is there any reason why none of the UK university projects (i.e. Wikipedia:WikiProject University of Oxford, etc.) were included in this proposed merge? Ejgreen77 (talk) 10:37, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Ejgreen77 The proposal lists 26 out of 44 individual university projects as inactive or semi-active. There are only 2 UK university projects, for Oxford and Cambridge, and they both show some recent activity on their talk pages. TSventon (talk) 11:20, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Exactly. I personally don't think it would be a bad idea to make them task forces of this project too, but merges of active wikiprojects are can be more contentious and so should be discussed separately. Also, I was working from Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Directory/History_and_society#Education which doesn't have Cambridge listed. @TSventon: Do I understand correctly that there are 18 other inactive university projects that I've missed? Can we add them here? – Joe (talk) 11:24, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- The details are at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Guide/Merging WikiProjects but basically you merge/redirect the project pages here and replace all the banners with {{WikiProject Higher education}}.
- I overlooked that WikiProject State University of New York was a already a subproject; it would make more sense to merge it to its parent then. I'll check the others and then update the list above. – Joe (talk) 11:26, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Ejgreen77 The proposal lists 26 out of 44 individual university projects as inactive or semi-active. There are only 2 UK university projects, for Oxford and Cambridge, and they both show some recent activity on their talk pages. TSventon (talk) 11:20, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose for the following projects: Wikipedia:WikiProject Columbia University, Wikipedia:WikiProject Cornell University, Wikipedia:WikiProject Dartmouth College, Wikipedia:WikiProject East Carolina University, Wikipedia:WikiProject University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, Wikipedia:WikiProject North Carolina State University, Wikipedia:WikiProject Notre Dame, Wikipedia:WikiProject Ohio Wesleyan University, Wikipedia:WikiProject Pennsylvania State University, Wikipedia:WikiProject Rutgers, Wikipedia:WikiProject State University of New York, Wikipedia:WikiProject Texas A&M, Wikipedia:WikiProject University of Massachusetts, Wikipedia:WikiProject University of North Texas, Wikipedia:WikiProject University of Texas at Austin, Wikipedia:WikiProject University of Virginia, Wikipedia:WikiProject Washington University in St. Louis, and Wikipedia:WikiProject West Virginia University. All of those projects are subprojects and task forces of their respective US state based projects, and I don't believe that any further merging is desirable. I have no opinion as to any of the other projects listed in the above proposal other then the ones I have specifically named in this comment. Ejgreen77 (talk) 11:49, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Joe Roe:, I looked at Wikipedia:WikiProject Higher education#Individual institutions I believe the missing projects are as below. Some may be active or merged.
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Brigham Young University
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Cal Poly Pomona
- Wikipedia:WikiProject California State University
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Florida State University
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Louisiana Tech
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Purdue
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Stanford University
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Texas Tech University
- Wikipedia:WikiProject University of Belgrade
- Wikipedia:WikiProject University of Cambridge
- Wikipedia:WikiProject University of Central Florida
- Wikipedia:WikiProject University of Connecticut
- Wikipedia:WikiProject University of Florida
- Wikipedia:WikiProject University of Houston
- Wikipedia:WikiProject University of Oklahoma
- Wikipedia:WikiProject University of Southeastern Philippines
- Wikipedia:WikiProject University of Southern California
- Wikipedia:WikiProject University of the Philippines
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Virginia Tech
TSventon (talk) 12:29, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks Ejgreen77, TSventon. I've removed the sixteen projects that are already operating as task force of another one, and added the sixteen additional inactive ones that aren't. @Melchior2006, Sdkb, Robminchin, and Russ Woodroofe: Could you please check to see if this affects your !vote? – Joe (talk) 12:42, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm fine with the new list. Sdkb talk 12:53, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm fine with the new list. There seemed some doubt over whether the Cambridge project was active or not so I checked it out – while there had been recent activity on the talk page, this has all been posting of notices or questions and the last time a post received a reply was 2016, so I'd call this inactive. In contrast, the Oxford project has had replies in 2024. Robminchin (talk) 14:21, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- The new list looks fine, at least at a glance. I'll expand: For me, I think the essential thing is that we deprecate long-time moribund university-specific Wikiprojects, as possibly misleading without balancing upside. I think that Wikiproject Higher Education is probably a better target than the state/region projects in general, although it is a more complicated project to get buy-in from region projects in cases where the university is already a subproject. I also think that articles on universities should generally list both the higher ed wikiproject and also the state/region wikiproject. Thus, it may be mostly moot what we redirect to, so long as both wikiprojects are listed on such articles (as I think they generally are). Russ Woodroofe (talk) 15:17, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose the amended proposal for the following projects: Wikipedia:WikiProject Louisiana Tech and Wikipedia:WikiProject Purdue. Both of those projects are subprojects and task forces of their respective US state based projects, and I don't believe that any further merging is desirable. Note that while WikiProject Purdue has its own talk page banner, it is also fully functional within Template:WikiProject United States with a |Purdue=yes option added into it. Template:WikiProject Purdue should be sent to TfD individually and replaced in all instances with Template:WikiProject United States |Purdue=yes. Continue to oppose for Wikipedia:WikiProject University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and Wikipedia:WikiProject North Carolina State University which were both in the original nomination and have not been stricken as of yet, for the same reasons. Ejgreen77 (talk) 00:30, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, removed those too. We probably need a separate discussion of what to do with all these dead pseudo-projects now. – Joe (talk) 09:07, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Fundamentally, I don't think any individual university is ever going to be a big enough topic to warrant a task force. It'll have a few dozen pages at most, and the talk page of the university article will always be a better place to discuss the rare things that pertain to all of them than a project page. Sdkb talk 15:34, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- For some context here, Wikipedia:WikiProject University of California has over 3,000 pages tagged while Wikipedia:WikiProject State University of New York, Wikipedia:WikiProject University of Pennsylvania, and Wikipedia:WikiProject Dartmouth College each have over 1,000. Even smaller individual university projects like Wikipedia:WikiProject Rutgers and Wikipedia:WikiProject Louisiana Tech each have 500-plus pages tagged for the respective projects. I personally happen to think that the category structure of these projects is the most valuable thing about them, and have used them quite frequently. Ejgreen77 (talk) 06:00, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Pages appropriate to categorize would be mainly those that would appear in a navbox. Categorizing every alum, as seems to be being done there, doesn't add much (there are already alum categories) and seems overkill. Sdkb talk 12:57, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- For some context here, Wikipedia:WikiProject University of California has over 3,000 pages tagged while Wikipedia:WikiProject State University of New York, Wikipedia:WikiProject University of Pennsylvania, and Wikipedia:WikiProject Dartmouth College each have over 1,000. Even smaller individual university projects like Wikipedia:WikiProject Rutgers and Wikipedia:WikiProject Louisiana Tech each have 500-plus pages tagged for the respective projects. I personally happen to think that the category structure of these projects is the most valuable thing about them, and have used them quite frequently. Ejgreen77 (talk) 06:00, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Of the United States-related proposals, any project needing merging should be considered for merging first to WikiProject United States, or any separate state-level or city-level project, before considering merging them to WikiProject Higher education. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 01:54, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- @RadioKAOS: Could you expand a bit on why a merge to territorial wikiproject would be preferable to a merge here? – Joe (talk) 12:47, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:RADA#Requested move 20 July 2024
editThere is a requested move discussion at Talk:RADA#Requested move 20 July 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Векочел (talk) 18:29, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
Assistance requested for University of New Mexico and New Mexico State University
editThere have been two related edit wars at University of New Mexico and New Mexico State University for the past few months. Both articles have recently been semi-protected for one month to give us some space to figure out consensus in Talk. Your input is greatly desired to help us do that. Thanks! ElKevbo (talk) 03:29, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Opinions wanted
editYour input is appreciated on the talk page section I just opened, Talk:Bachelor's_degree_or_higher#Merge_into_a_different_page?. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 21:56, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
Definition of affluence
editMost college pages on Wikipedia that I have seen, at least the ones in the US, define affluence in a note at the bottom of the page as "The percentage of students who are a part of the American middle class or wealthier." Can we get a more detailed definition? Specifically, what income number defines the American middle class? This number is always changing so it may not be viable, so in that case can we can replace Affluence with "Middle class or higher". Any input would be appreciated. Thanks, Alexysun (talk) 22:40, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- I believe the numbers are taken from the DoE's College Scorecard entry for Economic Diversity, which is based on the income level for Pell Grant eligibility. Robminchin (talk) 00:41, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- "DOE" is typically used to refer to the Department of Energy. "ED" is the more common abbreviation for the Department of Education. ElKevbo (talk) 00:45, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Argh. You're right; that one always gets me. Robminchin (talk) 01:31, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Okay thank you. So anything above that is "Affluent"? Alexysun (talk) 17:24, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- It looks like it, yes. Robminchin (talk) 01:38, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- "DOE" is typically used to refer to the Department of Energy. "ED" is the more common abbreviation for the Department of Education. ElKevbo (talk) 00:45, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
Discussion at Talk:Bachelor of Arts § Infobox image
editYou are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Bachelor of Arts § Infobox image. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:26, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Caritas Institute of Higher Education#Requested move 12 August 2024
editThere is a requested move discussion at Talk:Caritas Institute of Higher Education#Requested move 12 August 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 05:57, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:St. Aloysius College (Mangalore)#Requested move 19 August 2024
editThere is a requested move discussion at Talk:St. Aloysius College (Mangalore)#Requested move 19 August 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Aprilajune (talk) 02:22, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:De La Salle Green Spikers volleyball#Requested move 25 June 2024
editThere is a requested move discussion at Talk:De La Salle Green Spikers volleyball#Requested move 25 June 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Reading Beans 12:35, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
Economic demographics at U.S. colleges
editI'd like to update the data for economic demographics at U.S. colleges. It seems that the only data regularly reported by all schools is the percentage of Pell Grant-eligible students, which is a pretty rudimentary metric, so in the past I've used the 2013 data from Opportunity Insights (as reported by the NYT), which includes estimates of median family income, percentage of students from families in top 10% income, and percentage of students from families in bottom 60% income. It seems that they came out with an updated report in 2023 (NYT report), which breaks it down by income quintile but doesn't report the median and only updates the data to 2015. Is it possible to do any better, or is this information just not accessible? Courtesy pinging ElKevbo as I feel like this is your area of expertise. It'd be nice to provide some more granular data than the charts e.g. here without having to resort to old data. Sdkb talk 19:49, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- I appreciate the vote of confidence but this isn't my area of expertise. To the best of knowledge, you're correct that much of this work relies on number or percentage of Pell-grant recipients as that is the only relevant data that is consistently collected by the federal government and made accessible to scholars and researchers (and reporters and partisan think tanks and hacks with an axe to grind and...). As far as I know, more detailed work has to pull from other data sources. For example, I think that the Equality of Opportunity project has done their own analysis of tax data and I imagine that many studies have relied on survey information. But I don't know if there is a good national database for every institution that is regularly updated. ElKevbo (talk) 22:36, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, the Equality of Opportunity project is now Opportunity Insights. Thanks for the reply; hopefully some better data comes along at some point. Sdkb talk 06:24, 4 September 2024 (UTC)