Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Madonna/Archive 1

Archive 1

Welcome

Welcome all to the Madonna wikiproject. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 10:21, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Ray of Light GA Sweeps: On Hold

I have reviewed Ray of Light for GA Sweeps to determine if it still qualifies as a Good Article. In reviewing the article I have found several issues, which I have detailed here. Since the article falls under the scope of this project, I figured you would be interested in contributing to further improve the article. Please comment there to help the article maintain its GA status. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 18:31, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Billboard links

Hello to all the participants. As all of you must be aware that Billboard recently updated their website, resulting in massive change in their URLs and revamping. Hence many of the Billboard links used in the Madonna articles are dead now. So I ask all the editors involved to help out as much as possible by replacing the dead links with the correct ones from Billboard. You can use the Checklink tool, open the link, give the article name and click on search. It will display which are the dead links in the Madonna article. Now go to Billboard and search for the topic. It will come up. Just replace it in the article. For some old charts like Hot Dance Airplay and Hot Singles Sales, they have practically disappeared from the Billboard site. Hence for them we need to use the google books. From there we can get the Billboard magazines and link them, hence that will work fine. Please, I request everybody's help on this matter. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 11:52, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

The English Roses

Hello, I'm new in the project and want to work first on the children's books. Especially The English Roses article, which is by now more of a list. But for this we have List of books by Madonna.

• So should I re-write/format the table into plain text or should the table be kept in the article but added with text information?
• I'm thinking of adding information about:
  • reception,
  • audio and braille books,
  • size/format of the paper books,
  • cover pictures,
  • ER website/membership passes which come with the books.
  • Any more ideas what is also missing?

--Bisco (talk) 05:09, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Its good to see you taking the initiative like this. All these days i thought that I was teh one doing the project myself :( Well for the English Roses, if you have information about the background, development of story, inspiration then you can go ahead. you also need the others as you mention above. The list should be kept but expanded as you say. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 05:23, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Would be good if I find something about the background. Must do some research. Do you know if there is something about the children's books in any of the unofficial biographies (if these bios qualify as reliable source but I think I've seen them in some references)? I didn't bother to buy them until now.

Do you think all the information should be in the list or rather keep the list simple (e.g. without synopsis) and write small sections on each book? I think sections would be better and more appropriate for an encyclopedia but it will be hard to find enough to write about without being boring ^^ because the article doesn't cover just one book but a series, so it could get a little repetitive . I'll try to find some good article on a book series for inspiration :o) --Bisco (talk) 17:23, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Comment--->Madonna as postmodern myth: how one star's self-construction rewrites sex - By Georges-Claude Guilbert (Digitized online by Google books)
Madonna "Inspirations" - By Essential Works (Digitized online by Google books)
Madonna "A Biography" - By Mary Cross (Digitized online by Google books)
Madonna "the style book" - By Debbi Voller (Digitized online by Google books) ....Buzzzsherman (talk) 09:10, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

I believe the subsequent releases on The English Roses didnot receive any third party notability at all hence it is better if we club all of them together to make a single article ala Septimus Heap. This one is a GA and we can take points from it. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 04:14, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Portal ??

Was just passing by as i do with WikiProjects ..."Its good to see you taking the initiative like this. All these days i thought that I was teh one doing the project myself"

Well your in luck...I make portals and fast!!!....I have started to redo 'ALL the music portals and make--> Portals for Projects to get members... So I can do this all myself...what you can help with is color selections and the FA or GA articles you would like to see there??? AND like the portals above I will make a section just for this wikiproject...You would be surprised how many people never see Wikiprojets ...anyways let me know..I am stating NOW!!...and usually pick the colors from musicians Official web page!!!

) Buzzzsherman (talk) 04:35, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

UPDATE '  Done you now have a portal...There is 3 selections (puge does not always work keep purging to see all 3)

If color is a problem pls let me know or you need some other info posted!!! I have listed it were it should be posted for you --> Wikipedia:Portal/Directory and ---> Portal:Contents/Portals/Culture and the arts and Template:Madonna songs and Template:WikiProject Madonna......
Template = {{portal|Madonna|Madonnaicon.jpg}} {{portal|Madonna}}
.....Have fun!!!!!!!!!!Buzzzsherman (talk) 07:01, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Hey, hey - well done :o) Though it took me a day to get used to the new project page -.-* Portal is awesome, I think I'm gonna use it as start page ^^ I'm not sure if it should be Portal: Madonna (Entertainer) - it would go with the main article and the template {{WikimediaForPortals}} would work better (e.g. now the commons-link lands on disambig page). --Bisco (talk) 16:13, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

was thinking the same thing after i named the portal..we can get it moved ,,i could ask the page mover guys to doit...Or i can recode the Wikimedia stuff at the bottom to link to Madonna (Entertainer)...All up to you just tell me what you wish !!....:)..Buzzzsherman (talk) 20:17, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

A move would be better.

In the first topics navbox there are some links that don't show up

group12 = Main lists |list12 ={{nowrap begin}}[[Madonna albums discography|Albums]]{{·}} [[Madonna singles discography|Singles]]{{·}} [[Madonna videography|Videos]]{{·}} [[List of unreleased Madonna songs|Unreleased songs]]{{·}} [[List of Madonna concert tours|Tours]]{{·}} [[Madonna filmography|Films]]{{·}} [[List of books by Madonna|Books]]{{·}} [[List of awards received by Madonna|Awards]]{{nowrap end}}

In the original Madonna template they are at the top. Greetings --Bisco (talk) 03:58, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

I think its better if we have the portal as Madonna (entertainer). Easier for others to find it. And congrats guys for the amazing job! --Legolas ^(talk2me) 04:11, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

As you wish see --->Portal talk:Madonna...and Wikipedia:Requested moves#Current discussions....Plus--> Donegroup12 = Main lists |list12 =Albums · Singles · Videos · Unreleased songs · Tours · Films · Books · Awards fixed you guys ok with it being first on the list???............... Buzzzsherman (talk) 19:29, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

I think its fine, although I believe awards should come before the unreleased songs. Wonderful work. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 05:26, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

• I just pulled the WP:RM request from the Portal page. Since the page that you want to move the portal to is currently unoccupied, go ahead and move if it you guys really think it's necessary. Since plain "Madonna" was available though, I wouldn't worry about it. We generally shouldn't use the parenthesized disambiguators unless their absolutely necessary.
  — V = I * R (talk to Ohms law) 05:48, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

The move is basically done but

* Template:Portal which is used for the small Portal box (see above Buzzzsherman on 17. Jan) and Template:WPBannerMeta which is used for Template:WikiProject Madonna don't allow for piping the link to the portal so it shows up as "Portal Madonna (entertainer)", at least I couldn't find a way to name the link (only the link of the picture). Maybe we should let it link to the redirect page?

 Done..Buzzzsherman (talk) 16:29, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Sorry but it got a little confusing here. I undid your changes as per below, we thought it would be better to leave these templates to the redirect portal. --Bisco (talk) 16:48, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

* There's still an awful lot of Madonna articles which link to the redirect page Special:WhatLinksHere/Portal:Madonna e.g. GHV2 and Like a Virgin and only two articles that link to the moved page: Filth and Wisdom and Hey You (Madonna song)? I can't see why.

--Bisco (talk) 07:47, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Answer to your first question, yes we can keep it as the redirect link, that should be fine. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 08:38, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Answer to your second question, this happens because the last change on these articles were before the page was moved, hence untill their cache is purged, it will still link to the old redirect. Once somebody does a change on the article, it will start linking to the new one. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 08:38, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Ok then all is good ^^, I change the 2 templates back to the redirect --Bisco (talk) 09:10, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Just a question Bisco why the redirects ...just odd we would not fix that because now they appear on the pages with redirect that need to be fixed..I don't really care but i would guess that people will fix the dab links in time and you will have to revert this over and over!!...If some how we can get it off the list that might help you!!Buzzzsherman (talk) 20:12, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

update ok i got it off the --> list all looks normal!Buzzzsherman (talk) 20:24, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Hi Buzzz, well these two templates look better with the redirect because there is no way to name the link "Portal:Madonna (entertainer)" to simply "Portal:Madonna". I don't think these redirects would appear as "need to be fixed" (Check Wikipedia etc.), as only double redirects are not wanted. But of course it is possible that someone in good faith updates the links again to avoid the redirect. I hope it doesn't happen so often. And the most used or most prominent template on "our" pages is Template:WikiProject Madonna - I think we could include a sentence in the documentation/Usage to not change the link. --Bisco (talk) 21:18, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Yes that sounds good..a message!...Buzzzsherman (talk) 21:58, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Category - Madonna video albums

All the Madonna related categories are named "... Madonna (entertainer)..." except Category:Madonna video albums, suggest move --Bisco (talk) 12:48, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm really too tired today - I should have proposed a rename at WP:CFD but instead I created the new category Category:Madonna (entertainer) video albums and changed all the 25 articles to put them manually in the new cat, oh well, now I have to propose to delete the old cat, sorry, sorry - I'm not in my usual form, but promise to get better. --Bisco (talk) 18:19, 3 February 2010 (UTC) For the deletion, I will wait 4 days, then I can use the speedy template Db-c1 if the cat remains empty in this time --Bisco (talk) 18:53, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

I think what you did is fine. And when you are around , just nominate the other for CFD. Really appreaciated that you guys are taking the project seriously and its not a one-man show. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 03:52, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Category - Works by Madonna

Category:Works by Madonna (entertainer) was created last October (by an admin engaged in category work (WP:CfD)) and was/is empty. I think using this category makes sense (= subcat in Category:Works by author and Category:Works by artist) but what subcategories and articles should be included? See suggestions below --Bisco (talk) 12:48, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Subcategories to be included

Most of the 10 subcategories of Category:Madonna (entertainer) should be instead of in Category:Works by Madonna (entertainer).

should be in:

• done - Category:Books by Madonna (entertainer) (author)
• Not changed, on second thought, these are more about her, not by her - Category:Documentaries about Madonna (entertainer) (producer)
• done - Category:Songs written by Madonna (entertainer) (writer)
• done - Category:Madonna (entertainer) albums (producer, writer, singer)
• done - Category:Madonna (entertainer) audio samples (song writer, singer, producer)
• done - Category:Madonna (entertainer) songs (singer, writer, producer)
• Not changed, is already in Category:Madonna (entertainer) albums - Category:Madonna video albums (as in the lead paragraphs of the articles, these are works by her)
• done - Category:Madonna (entertainer) concert tours (performer, producer)

should not be in:

• Category:Images of Madonna (entertainer) (as the name suggests, these are images of her, not by her - although some artistic work by her may be involved)

--Bisco (talk) 12:48, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Comment- you will notice that on the project page Media connects/links to commons not Category:Images of Madonna (entertainer) --< since this is all full of nofairuse images....JUST FYI..PS this group is now rolling...Buzzzsherman (talk) 16:18, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Articles to be included

Most of the articles about works by Madonna are in categories which would then be subcategories in Category:Works by Madonna (entertainer). But there are some articles which should be in Category:Works by Madonna (entertainer) instead of being in Category:Madonna (entertainer).

should be in:

• done - List of unreleased Madonna songs
• done - I Am Because We Are
• done - Madonna videography
• done - Madonna albums discography
• done - Madonna singles discography

maybe:

• not in Category:Works by Madonna (entertainer) - Madonna filmography (I consider films works by the director, and there's just 1 film she directed in the article)

--Bisco (talk) 12:48, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Bisco, that filmography doesnot seem a suitable article for teh Works cat to be put in. The others are fine. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 04:31, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

I start now changing the catagorization as per above. --Bisco (talk) 16:48, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Most of the changes were already done. So the 'Works' cat is now well filled :) --Bisco (talk) 17:14, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

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Comments/To do

A list of affected articles would be helpful. I think there can't be many. The main article is not tagged right now. The discussion is paused at the moment. --Bisco (talk) 16:48, 3 February 2010 (UTC) Sorry, I seem to be too tired (it was a long day at work) - of course only the main article is a bio and therefore affected by this. So no prob now, nothing to do here. --Bisco (talk) 17:37, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

To-do and archive where?

Options:

1. Do we want to use this talk page as to-do-list and archive what is done in subpages of the talk page (like Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Madonna/Archive 1)?
2. Or do we want a subpage of the project page with to-dos (like WikiProject Madonna/To-do) and archive like this: WikiProject Madonna/To-do/Archive 1?

The Open-Task-Section Wikipedia:WikiProject Madonna#Open tasks could give an overview for people who step by and link to (sections of) the to-do-page (either version). btw "Add project tags to related articles" is this still an open task?

What do you think is best? --Bisco (talk) 19:00, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

I support option 1 as per other projects. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 03:14, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

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Ciao, Italia! – Live from Italy

Legolas2186 nominated Ciao, Italia! – Live from Italy for GA, although sadly he has left WP. I have reviewed the article, and left comments on the review page. If someone would kindly step in and do the few fix-ups, the article should be listed in no time! Adabow (talk · contribs) 10:13, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks to Tbhotch, I have listed the article. Adabow (talk · contribs) 20:12, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Body of Evidence (film) and other films need reviews

Hi I noticed a lot of films Madonna's films lack reviews. I have started on Body of Evidence (film) I could do with some help with things like box office takings I would appreciate the help. Dwanyewest (talk) 06:36, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Like a Prayer era

I have noticed that a lot of the articles pertaining to Like a Prayer and its singles need work, which is quite sad because the album is one of the most important in Madonna's career. Recently I have been expanding the album's page, but it's not complete, and I'd also like to improve the single pages, particularly "Like a Prayer" and "Express Yourself". XL XR2 (talk) 23:20, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Don't worry boo. I'm still here. :) — Legolas ^(talk2me) 05:23, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

"Like a Prayer"

The article "Like a Prayer" was considerably expanded, and was nominated for a Did You Know? recognition on the main page, which it passed. It has received over 6,900 views since then and has received a place in July 2011 statistics of DYK. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 08:14, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Sex (book) needs attention

I have added many sources to the Sex (book) by Madonna the article needs alot of work I am surprised that such a famous book had no sources before I intervened. Dwanyewest (talk) 15:40, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Done, in the Spanish Wikipedia is a GA; here has been translated (partial) from this article. Best regards, Chrishonduras (talk) 03:45, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Impending FAR notice; help requested

Two Featured Articles that fall under the scope of this WikiProject have been found to have significant issues with verification failure and plagiarism:

• Madonna (entertainer) – see here for a partial list of issues.
• 4 Minutes (Madonna song) – see here for a partial list of issues.

Attention from any interested editors would be welcome. Due to the high rate of issues found so far, every single reference is going to need to be checked and fixed, where problems are found. Help from the primary editor of both of these (User:Legolas2186) doesn't seem to be forthcoming, since he disappeared when issues were raised. I'm hoping someone here has access to Taraborrelli and other book sources used, and can help us fix these.

The Featured Article Review process may be started soon for both of these. If no-one is able to help, they will likely lose FA status. --Laser brain (talk) 14:46, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Only one FAR at a time can be initiated per editor. I have started one FAR; can someone else start the next one? Binksternet (talk) 17:35, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

FAR for Madonna

I have initiated the FAR for Madonna's biography: Wikipedia:Featured article review/Madonna (entertainer)/archive1. Everyone is invited to help restore the article to the high quality expected of Featured Articles. Binksternet (talk) 17:35, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

I wish to add links to the original discussion and the workpage:

• Wikipedia_talk:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_4#Legolas2186_possibly_falsifying_references
• User talk:Legolas2186/Fixing citation problems

Ongoing work on other articles should be brought to the second linked page. Binksternet (talk) 18:40, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Madonna albums discography FLRC

I have nominated Madonna albums discography for featured list removal here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks; editors may declare to "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Giants2008 (Talk) 02:42, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Cherish

I have nominated for FA "Cherish (Madonna song)" for FA. Please join me on the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Comment here.--Lil'Monster Heart (talk) 20:39, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Why the MDNA Tour article is unprotected ??

My question is, why the MDNA Tour article is unprotected ?

FAR notification

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Madonna

The usage of "Madonna" is up for discussion, see talk:Madonna (art) -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 12:07, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Super Bowl XLVI halftime show

Newly-created article for the (until perhaps yesterday) most-watched halftime show in history! --Another Believer _(Talk) 22:26, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Madonna

The usage of "Madonna" is up for discussion, see talk:Madonna (entertainer) -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 05:15, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

File:OhFather1995.png

The above file is nominated for deletion since it is unnecessary clutter in the page and fails WP:NFCC#8. Please provide your inputs. —Indian:BIO · ^{[ ChitChat ]} 04:50, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Move from Frozen (song) to Frozen (Madonna song)

I've moved Frozen (song) to Frozen (Madonna song) because, while Madonna's song is undoubtedly by far the most famous song with this title, there are several other songs with the same title which are notable enough to have their own Wikipedia articles. However, I've noticed that I've broken a lot of links; User:Tbhotch has already fixed some of them (thanks!), but is there a faster way to fix the remaining ones than manually going through the list of backlinks? Maybe a bot request? --Florian Blaschke (talk) 16:28, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Dear Jessie

I had edited this article to remove an unnecessary infobox for a cover version with this edit. I had also removed unsourced tracklisting and music video info, so just kept the chart information since there is no other notability for the cover. User:Aspects reverted saying that the infobox is necessary and that the NFCC failing cover also. Here in lies the question, when a cover of a song is non-notable (and I know NSONGS) should an infobox be added to the article or not? Notability would be cases like "Love Don't Live Here Anymore" or "I Wanna Know What Love Is". —Indian:BIO · ^{[ ChitChat ]} 04:56, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Madonna Studies

I have nominated the above article for merge to Madonna (entertainer) since February 2013, however no one has commented from the project or anywhere else. If no one responds, I will merge the one para article to Madonna's Legacy section. —Indian:BIO · ^{[ ChitChat ]} 07:32, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I have the answer, but I will give a  couple of hours.... Regards, Chrishonduras (talk) 13:20, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Okay I'm back. The case not proceeds because no is necesary, that simple. It is only a article too small, in short words is a Stub that can we easily enlarge. There are several references that can be added, for example:

• 1991 from Orlando Sentinel (of three pages and several comments on this term)

A bit of information

Marilyn Young, Wells' professor at the Department of Communication, says: People assume Madonna's not serious because she's kind of flip. But her impact is serious. She's an icon of pop culture. To the generation coming up, Madonna is more important than Leonard Bernstein. . . . We want to apply scholarly rigor to the study of pop culture. Wells is one of a growing number of Madonna scholars around the country - professors of English, anthropology, communication. They write papers for academic journals and conventions and discuss the videos in class. Many outsiders, of course, get a big laugh when hearing of Madonna studies. Others become indignant: So this is what goes on at state universities. Nor does this topic of study sit well with some scholars of higher education. There's no subject too ridiculous to be a subject of research in academics, says Charles Sykes, who has written two books critical of university teaching methods. This type of research is routine, says Theodore Clevenger, dean of FSU's Department of Communication. From an academic point of view, it doesn't seem peculiar to me. Think of it like this: If you're a Martian trying to figure out what's going on on Earth, Madonna is a blip on the planet. One year, it's the hula hoop. This year, it's Madonna.

• 1994 from The New York Times

A bit of information (Madonna's reaction to the Madonna-studies industry?)

What do the professional students say about Madonna? "I look at her as a barometer of culture," says Cathy Schwichtenberg, the editor of "The Madonna Connection," a 1993 collection of academic essays exploring the performer's influence on contemporary culture. "I also see her as waging semiotic warfare, working with certain strategies to upend stable categories of sexuality and gender. In popular culture Madonna serves as a vehicle to open up issues of gay sexuality, of race, of power and desire." Madonna's reaction to the Madonna-studies industry? "I laugh. It's amusing," she says. "It's flattering because obviously I'm on a lot of people's minds. But I read about all of these things, and I read what I meant by things, and I just think, all of this comes from my subconscious or my unconscious, I don't even think about it.

• 1997 from Rick Ross (presided by Vanity Fair). Note: Well, may be serves of somewhat.

• Book: Madonna as Postmodern Myth: How One Star's Self-Construction Rewrites Sex by Georges Claude Guilbert (here talk -also- about the Musicology department entitled Madonna: The Music and the Phenomenon; and in other contexts, according to Quien magazine, the Seven Sisters (colleges) taught courses by her influence on culture)

• Book: The Madonna Companion: Two Decades of Commentary by Allan Metz and C. Benson. "Despite this new tendency to sentimentalize popular culture and exaggerate its subversive content, Madonna Studies in fact represent the ultimate act of cultural imperialism in the sense that Madonna simply provides a lift into the saddle for ..."

• Book: Media and Cultural Theory " Indeed, David Gauntlett uses the term 'Madonna Studies' ..." (110)

• Book: Beauty And Misogyny: Harmful Cultural Practices In The West  Very good

• Book: From Hegel to Madonna: Towards a General Economy of "commodity Fetishism" ([1])  Very good

These are only a few references. Actually apart from the comments of many authors for this term, were written several essays or thesis, may be Madonnarama: Essays on Sex and Popular Culture is a example (And is need to create Bibliography about Madonna because is a relevant article). With this and more, well you can create a section called "Context" and / or "Critics about this term / phenomenon".

Best regards, Chrishonduras (talk) 03:32, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Umm, just wow Chris, wow. Bow down bitches!!! You are amazing for resources. This article can surely be kept since it can be expanded a zillion times. AGain, bow down. —Indian:BIO · ^{[ ChitChat ]} 05:13, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi! Yes, just check out my ru-wiki version of Madonna Studies. It's Madonna Fenomenon. "Madonna's Drowned Worlds" is amazing book.Tintin-tintine (talk) 20:37, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Top 20 Madonna: good for critical reception

• Here is the link.
• The Definitive Ranking Of Madonna Singles —Indian:BIO · ^{[ ChitChat ]} 16:34, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

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Requested move of Madonna (entertainer) to Madonna

Discuss here. –Chase (talk / contribs) 00:19, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

All about the 13th studio album

Let's list all possible sources here, for the future article of her 13th studio album. Bluesatellite (talk) 15:24, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

• Rumour with Adele
• Confirming the project to Canadian press
• "I’m right now in the process of talking to various co-writers and producers and talking about where I want to go with my music"
• Avicii, Natalia Kills, Martin Kierszenbaum
• MoZella, S1, Toby Gad
• Report from Swedish press regarding the Swedish collaborators on the album
• Madonna Photographer Claims To Be 'Listening To The New Album'
• Madonna's in the Studio With Avicii - But Will She Justify Your Love?
• This link has all the news together in one go, just for reference not to be used
• Madonna Hits Studio With 'Slave Driver' Diplo
• What's Madonna Up To?
• Leather-Clad Katy Perry Straddles Madonna on Cover of V Magazine
• Billboard probable promo
• Sia as writer

What say we start building it up here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Madonna/Madonna 13? —Indian:BIO · ^{[ ChitChat ]} 06:58, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Nice idea. Bluesatellite (talk) 00:35, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

OK I will start a draft. —Indian:BIO · ^{[ ChitChat ]} 06:49, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

I created the redirects "Devil Prays", Messiah (song), Rebel Heart (Madonna song) and Wash All Over Me. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 21:35, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

""Devil Prays" Devil Pray is now a stub. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 22:11, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

I reverted it. AB, are you even serious? This is completely WP:CRYSTAL. No where a track list or a song name from the album has been confirmed except "Messiah". "Devil Prays" is not confirmed as part of the final track list unlike "Messiah". So it is completely WP:TOOSOON to create, even a stub like this. I know, being WP:BOLD is all folks can think about, but sometimes, just turn on the leash? —Indian:BIO ^{[ ChitChat ]} 02:20, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

I figured Madonna's comments on the song and the numerous articles now talking about Devil Prays meant a stub could snowball as a confirmed song (not necessarily for her upcoming album, but just in general). Redirect is fine. No need to be so harsh. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:53, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

AB, you know exactly why I said that. Couldn't it have plain waited for a confirmation from Madonna if the song is at all part of Madonna 13? Yes there are sources talking bout the Interview article, but what more there is? Its all a copy paste and hagio of the same para and interpretation. There in my utmost oppose against its creation and my comment about pulling the leash. —Indian:BIO ^{[ ChitChat ]} 16:15, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

@IndianBio: I expanded the stub for "Devil Pray" a bit more, now that the song is confirmed. There are many sources that have reviewed the song even before the album's release. This one even talks about differences between the original demo and the album version. I hope that you will help expand this article and let it grow, but even if you feel strongly that it should be redirected I ask that you please let me finish my current expansion. I noticed this morning that someone moved "Devil Pray" to "Devil Pray (Madonna song)" for reasons I don't understand because the disambiguation is not needed when there are no other articles called "Devil Pray". Update: I went ahead and moved the page back to "Devil Pray". ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:00, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

No I won't revert it, but it will take a lot of time for me to develop it. It does pass WP:N though due to the ample third party notability. —Indian:BIO ^{[ ChitChat ]} 17:16, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Glad to hear. Thank you, IB. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:47, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Update: I added some charts peaks to Talk:Ghosttown (song), Talk:Illuminati (Madonna song), and Talk:Bitch I'm Madonna. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:57, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

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Like It or Not (Madonna song) and Like It Or Not (Madonna song)?

Unresolved

Do we need both redirects? Doesn't only one actually follow WP's manual of style? Or, should we at least remove one of them from the category Category:Madonna (entertainer) songs so that it does not appear twice? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:56, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

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New article: Bibliography about Madonna

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New article: List of cover versions of Madonna songs

Hello, Madonna Wikiproject, I notify that I created the article List of cover versions of Madonna songs. Again, please if somebody correct the grammar, traduction, format from references etc. I will add this article in the section from the Madonna songs (covers); because I dont wanna be spam. Regards, Chrishonduras (talk) 20:04, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

New article: Records and achievements of Madonna

Hello, Madonna Wikiproject!. I notify that I created the article Records and achievements of Madonna. Again, please if somebody correct the grammar, english traduction, format from references, and connectivity with the paragraphs, etc. Actually, I dont know if the title is correct; please correct it if necessary (is the second article on this topic, behind Records and achievements of Michael Jackson). Thanks, Chrishonduras (talk) 21:36, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Brilliant work, however this one is a little difficult to navigate. I have requested the FLC director SchroCat to take a look regarding how to better it. The record section text is also a little overboard. —Indian:BIO ^{[ ChitChat ]} 05:19, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Madonna's Rebel Heart

A peer review request can be found here. Snuggums (talk / edits) 03:37, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

New articles: Cultural impact of Madonna and Madonna in popular culture

Hello. I created these two new articles. I really want them to look as neutral as possible. Article of cultural impact, I believe many statements may (for some) apparently a fan site or something, but I found references for each statement, including her peculiar status with superlatives and subjectivities. And are in the appropriate context, with a good balance (I think). I tried to find the most reliable references, especially academic appointments.

On article Madonna in popular culture, it is a dynamic list, but even, right now, not is complete (here in Wikipedia) we can found references of Madonna by her book sex and other works, but not is (right now) in the article. Wherever, I put the template "under construction", because, want by create the article is wrong. Everybody can now, add references and not is occult in my boxes. Thanks, --Chrishonduras (talk) 16:05, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

The second article has to go. It is pure and pure trivia and compilation of everything that the first article can be made home off. We are going too tangent on the articles Chrisonduras. I appreciate your help a lot, but lets not go overboard. —Indian:BIO ^{[ ChitChat ]} 16:30, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

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Talk:Like a Virgin#Requested move 28 June 2015

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Bitch I'm Madonna...

Looking pretty solid! Should this article be upgraded to B-class or even nominated for Good status? Nice work! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:47, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Like a Virgin (song)#Requested move 4 August 2015

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Wikipedia:Featured topic candidates/Bedtime Stories/archive1

Bedtime Stories is added as a Good Topic now. Feel free to comment on the nomination page. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 16:12, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of accolades received by Evita (1996 film)/archive1

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List of business ventures by Madonna

I think its time to start this article. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 08:48, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Mary Cross biography

This book was wrongly added to Italian section of Bibliography of Madonna. I've corrected the mistake. Please, use it!Tintin-tintine (talk) 18:01, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured topic candidates/Rebel Heart/archive1

The Rebel Heart era has been nominated for Good topic candidate. Interested reviewers please comment. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 10:21, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

@Another Believer: would you wanna review the nomination? —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 08:25, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

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I Love New York (Madonna song)

Please see Talk:I Love New York (Madonna song) if you're interested in helping to determine whether or not there should be a Wikipedia article for I Love New York (Madonna song). The article at French Wikipedia has been promoted to quality status, yet there is currently no article here at English Wikipedia. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:00, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Madonna as a gay icon

Just to let everyone know, "Madonna as a gay icon" reached the good status in Spanish wikipedia a few months ago. You can have a general pespective in how this article could be here, even better than "Janet Jackson as a gay icon" (it has the good status). --Chrishonduras (talk) 03:29, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Madonna tour articles

[copied from User talk:Ojorojo#Madonna & Blond Ambition]

Hello how are you? Listen, regarding the Blond Ambition Tour dates table; if that's how the guideline states tables for concert dates should be, would you mind helping me do it to all Madonna tours? I'd really appreaciate it.

Thank you!!

--Christian (talk) 16:07, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

@Chrishm21: OK. The Cry of Love Tour and The Untouchable Tour are two GAs that follow the guidelines and Tommy Tour almost does, so you can see how some others do it [as of 11 May Tommy Tour does also]. There are different options for fixing the headers that span several columns in the middle of the tables, which are usually used for identifying "legs" or continents: make separate tables for each (Tommy & corrected Blond); one table but with another column for continent (Blond test[2]), or just remove (Cry & Untouchable). For Cry, I couldn't find a reliable source that actually identifies or distinguishes "legs" – an earlier version had three, but they seemed arbitrary/OR – so I felt that the location and venue columns were sufficient (is it really important to the article that Australia is in Oceania or the U.S. is in North America?). So, if you want consistency, you can choose one that works well for all her tours or use the one that works best for each individual tour. BTW, U.S. or US is perfectly OK to use in WP articles and probably is preferred in tables (see MOS:ACRO Exceptions). —Ojorojo (talk) 17:25, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

I started with any easy one, The Virgin Tour, which only has one leg/continent.[3] I see the GA nominator has been indefinitely blocked for "Evidently fabricated sources and quotes". Is this a concern? —Ojorojo (talk) 14:26, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Comment — Surely there has got to be a way to slightly edit the current set up, as it does look a bit more cluttered and fluffed, not to mention, a bit messy on the overall. Surely, there's got to be a way to adhere to the MoS, while also making it appear nicer. One note is that section headers, the examples given do not separate tables per section header; surely, a more appropriate table caption (to adhere to MOS:TABLECAPTION would be more appropriate, then headings or makeshift ones with bolded text? And, above, you linked to The Untouchable Tour, however, that article does not require a break and year within the header. Surely, listing the full date (including year) would be more appropriate and clean, especially to adhere to MOS:ACCESSIBILITY for the visually-impaired visitors of Wikipedia. Also, please do not ping me in response — I have this discussion page on my watchlist. livelikemusic talk! 20:23, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

I've included an example below, using the dates of the Madame X Tour. Surely, it follows all policies, and is a much cleaner look, which should hopefully be acceptable to viewers. livelikemusic talk! 20:38, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

"Nice", "fluffed", "messy", etc., are subjective terms that not everyone can agree on. To me, your proposed example does not look "cleaner", but has a certain amateurish appearance.

• 1) Your proposed example does not include ! scope="row" to identify the rows, which is a key part of MOS:DTAB.
• 2) I used the existing table captions, except for one clarification. Your proposal makes substantial changes, which don't follow current practices. The existing format of listing all the column names in the caption is standard practice in Featured lists, which seems to be followed in all the Madonna tour articles. Perhaps more abbreviated captions may also meet MOS:TABLECAPTION, but, again, I used the existing ones as in the earlier Madame X Tour.[4]

• Tried your simplified caption approach on Blond Ambition World Tour, which also removes the need for subheadings.[5] Better or? —Ojorojo (talk) 14:29, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

• Chrishm21: Does this work or return to the earlier version? Livelikemusic seemed to think it is OK. —Ojorojo (talk) 17:23, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

• 3) I used bolded text for the leg/continent to introduce the sections, but these can be replaced with level 3 headers if desired.

• See preceeding comment. —Ojorojo (talk) 14:29, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

• 4) The same year may be repeated for every entry instead of being in the column heading, but it's like repeating "New York City" or "Chicago Theatre" for every entry, rather than using rowspan. To me, it gives a cluttered, busy appearance, but technically meets the guideline. If that is what most want, so be it.
• 5) "United States" may be used instead of "U.S.", but why? Tables and charts usually try to conserve on space and it is an acceptable practice in WP articles (see MOS:ACRO Exceptions: "For these commonly-referred-to entities, the full name does not need to be written out in full on first use, nor provided on first use in parentheses after the full name if written out ... US or U.S."). Again, if that what is wanted, fine.

I don't see that we're that far apart. The bigger challenge is the other tour articles that have up to six legs; some will have to be combined or there will be separate tables for only a couple of entries. Or have one table with an additional column for leg/continent, so separate tables are not needed.

—Ojorojo (talk) 22:41, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

The tables at Blond Ambition Tour are definitely better, in suiting with MOS:TABLECAPTION, however, I am still not sold on how dates are presented, and do not see such harm in including the full dates per row. I also added the |! scope="row"|, which I normally would implement into a table, however, was merely copy-pasting the table and editing a bit to represent a general set up, as well as spacing and general fixes. I've gone in and re-implemented it. livelikemusic (TALK!) 17:42, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Including the year for each entry introduces an inconsistency that is nearly nonexistent without it: longer months plus two-digit dates plus year (e.g., December 28, 2018) require two rows, while shorter ones (May 1, 2018) require one row. This is more noticeable on other tour tables, where the entries sometimes jump from one to two rows. I'm assuming that a consistent approach is preferred for Madonna tour articles; what do others think? —Ojorojo (talk) 18:24, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Since there's no other interest in this, it looks like your modified proposal is the one. I'll update the articles I already started on. —Ojorojo (talk) 14:24, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

livelikemusic: Why is it necessary to highlight the cells that contain "N/A" in The Girlie Show World Tour article?[6] Normally, highlighting is done to make the item standout, so readers can easily identify it, such as a charting single or for some other noteworthy recognition. As it's used, the fact that the information is unavailable hardly seems more important than entries that have info. Instead, highlighting cells that show peaks in attendance or revenue would be of more benefit to the reader. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:28, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Proposed example

List of concerts in North America

Date	City	Country	Venue	Attendance (Tickets sold / available)	Revenue
September 17, 2019	New York City	United States	Howard Gilman Opera House	31,401 / 31,401	$9,631,760
September 18, 2019
September 19, 2019
September 21, 2019
September 22, 2019
September 24, 2019
September 25, 2019
September 26, 2019
September 28, 2019
October 1, 2019
October 2, 2019
October 3, 2019
October 5, 2019
October 6, 2019
October 10, 2019
October 12, 2019
October 16, 2019	Chicago		Chicago Theatre	23,233 / 23,233	$5,517,435
October 17, 2019
October 21, 2019
October 23, 2019
October 24, 2019
October 27, 2019
October 28, 2019
November 2, 2019	San Francisco		Golden Gate Theatre	6,744 / 6,744	$1,945,333
November 4, 2019
November 5, 2019
November 7, 2019	Las Vegas		The Colosseum at Caesars Palace	12,613 / 12,613	$4,244,777
November 9, 2019
November 10, 2019
November 13, 2019	Los Angeles		Wiltern Theatre	17,941 / 17,941	$5,874,394
November 14, 2019
November 16, 2019
November 17, 2019
November 19, 2019
November 20, 2019
November 21, 2019
November 23, 2019
November 24, 2019
November 25, 2019
December 7, 2019	Philadelphia		Metropolitan Opera House	11,604 / 11,604	$2,519,172
December 8, 2019
December 10, 2019
December 11, 2019
December 14, 2019	Miami Beach		The Fillmore Miami Beach	13,339 / 13,339	$3,727,742
December 15, 2019
December 17, 2019
December 18, 2019
December 19, 2019
December 21, 2019
Total				116,875 (100%)	$33,470,613

List of concerts in Europe

Date	City	Country	Venue	Attendance (Tickets sold / available)	Revenue
January 12, 2020	Lisbon	Portugal	Coliseu dos Recreios	15,493 / 15,493	$2,930,802
January 14, 2020
January 16, 2020
January 18, 2020
January 21, 2020
January 23, 2020
January 29, 2020	London	England	London Palladium	26,002 / 26,002	$9,816,383
January 30, 2020
February 1, 2020
February 2, 2020
February 5, 2020
February 6, 2020
February 8, 2020
February 9, 2020
February 12, 2020
February 13, 2020
February 15, 2020
February 16, 2020
February 22, 2020	Paris	France	Le Grand Rex	—	—
February 23, 2020
February 26, 2020
February 27, 2020
February 29, 2020
March 3, 2020
March 4, 2020
March 8, 2020
Total				41,495	$12,747,185

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Tour articles

The tables for ALL Madonna concert tours need to go back to their old design. The current design is terrible and needs to be changed for not just Madonna but all concert tours that have it 2600:6C46:6800:21F8:8C50:3C96:C1A5:FA93 (talk) 03:10, 9 March 2021 (UTC).

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Main page: User:Headbomb/unreliable

I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like

• John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14. (John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.)

and turns it into something like

• John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.

It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{cite web}}, {{cite journal}} and {{doi}}.

The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.

Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.

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