Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rosblofnari/Archive 3

Our most viewed hook ever?!

Take a look at this. Mining in North Korea was on DYK on the 16th, getting ~2000 views, and yet it is now one of the most viewed hooks ever! Bizarre...--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 22:11, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

In fact, it's the leader for May 2013... Trust me, anything North Korea-related spurs interest. ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 05:28, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

This is awesome! Good job everyone! --Rosiestep (talk) 03:20, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Strange, just noticed that my hook DYK that English actor Clive Mantle beat up Clint Eastwood is near the top of all time highest views too, but that's a more obvious one for attracting curiosity.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 06:46, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Don't want to disappoint you all but it was the non-lead hook North Korea that unsurprisingly logged up all the hits.--Ipigott (talk) 11:05, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Music in Varanasi

Asavari Ragini, Ragamala paintings, ca 1610

@Nvvchar: Great article! I started adding wls but I am hoping you can finish up this task as I'm concerned about selecting the wrong wl, i.e. which Bahadur Shah? Also, I couldn't find wls for certain words, which I didn't understand, i.e. "nirgun" and "assarwari", so perhaps there's an alternate spelling or a phrase which could describe these? Lastly, I'm confused by the naming convention for some of the references, i.e. "Music", as references are (generally) named after the author's surname or barring that, then the publisher, i.e. "varanasicity.com". I'll continue working on the article tomorrow so that we don't have edits overlapping. Thanks. --Rosiestep (talk) 20:42, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

@Rosiestep:Please go ahead and edit. I will not edit today. I am 3 hours ahead of your time, in Toledo. In India, music is not represented by the surname of the author or the composer. Bahadaur Shah Zafar was the last Mughal Emperor of India. Nirgun means "without attribute"). Aasavari means an Indian ascending Hindustani classical raga (melody) that is played or sung in the morning hours.--Nvvchar. 21:14, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Ravi Shankar, how lovely. I'll get around to editing this today, thanks Nvv!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 08:29, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Productivity

Amazing, we've managed managed to produce 87 DYKs, 110 odd including proposed since April 22 in about 6 weeks. I'm pretty sure this project has made us more efficient and productive. At this rate by 2014 we'll be nearer 2000 than 1000 DYKs for each of us to date!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 14:43, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

I can't speak for the others, but this project-page has suggested some really enjoyable articles to expand that I would have never have thought about otherwise.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 20:32, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Las Vegas in the 1950s

I'm not happy with the way this article has been organized. It would be more reader friendly to me written as a pure single history piece in chronological order and those dates in the timeline put into prose. Gambling and hotels and casinos and services overlap anyway and if I begin to expand info on a hotel it would also belong in another section if it is also a casino etc. If anything I'd rather sections which were 1950-2, 1953-4 etc. The way my brain works I find it easier to take in things in order in structured pieces rather than multiple overviews.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 10:28, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

I'm ok with restructuring it. Definitely the bullets have to be converted into prose. --Rosiestep (talk) 14:05, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

I've shuffled it and put the points in prose but they naturally still look pointy and need fleshing out with info. The initial stuff about organized crime warbles a bit too much too and should be cut and balanced out more. I'll give it more attention tomorrow.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 17:26, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Corn production in the United States

Regarding the state-by-state information: Unless the 1-2 sentence state subsections get expanded, let's not leave them as stand alones, but rahter bundle them together, for example, as "Other". --Rosiestep (talk) 14:08, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Agreed.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 14:10, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

I find the Alaska one interesting (on global warming being good). Perhaps that be a stand alone, and the rest (Alabama, Texas, and Indiana) get merged together. ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 02:20, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Congratulations Nvv and Rosie!!

I see you've now both passed Alansohn in DYK count who for many years of course led DYK by a long way. 1000 DYKs next!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 11:17, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

I noticed that, too; so awesome! Thanks to both of you for being by my side for lots of those articles. --Rosiestep (talk) 13:48, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks to both of you. Collaboration has really worked well. The rate at which we are going, we should be touching the mark by September.--Nvvchar. 00:28, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Accessdate parameter

A friendly reminder... Citebook refs don't need the accessdate parameter. The accessdate parameter is important for citeweb and citenews, etc. where the webpage may not be stable. I just cleaned up the citebook refs in Fishing industry in Denmark as an example. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:47, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

From 19th to 22nd I may not be able to edit much due a family functions.--Nvvchar. 06:24, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Yes Rosie, but the google books ref maker does it automatically. I guess it can be removed upon making but it takes an extra effort..♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 09:39, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Crime by country

One of our occasional collaborators has created a series of articles, Crime in <country>, and has nominated them at dyk. Reviewers have noted issues with individual articles, with the articles as a group, and with some of the hooks; there's discussion at WT:DYK#Crime in <country> articles. They need work, sooner rather than later, and BtC has asked me for assistance. I figured I'd bring the list here in case others want to assist. As for dyk crediting purposes, my view is that if I substantially improve the article, I'll add my name to the credits. --Rosiestep (talk) 00:41, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

• Template:Did you know nominations/Crime in Yemen
• Template:Did you know nominations/Crime in the Philippines
• Template:Did you know nominations/Crime in Cambodia
• Template:Did you know nominations/Crime in Vietnam
• Template:Did you know nominations/Crime in Indonesia
• Template:Did you know nominations/Crime in North Korea and South Korea

Note: Thanks if you are helping out, but remember, this is very much optional! Cheers, ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 12:51, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

I don't like going through that many articles on one topic, but I might edit one or two. I don't want anybody, Nvv especially to feel as if they have to edit them, we could edit one or two out of the bunch though, agreed?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 09:43, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

How about Cuba and Sri Lanka as I've already worked on these two? --Rosiestep (talk) 01:49, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

I think it would better (if you want) to edit does unedited articles... There might not be enough time. ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 05:37, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Yes, Cuba and Sri Lanka should be OK.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 17:15, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Milizac

I have added some text from a translation from French of an official web site. I am not very comfortable with it. Please cross check it. Thanks.--Nvvchar. 02:20, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Ipigott might have time to do that, if not, no worries.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 17:50, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanking fellow contributors

I must say that I think the thank button is a nice addition and an encouraging one. While every single edit need not be thanked, I think it would be constructive for each of us to thank each other for one edit or two which starts an article or does a major expansion or a major copyedit or sourcing. I know for me personally it is always nice to see "Rosie or Bonkers the Clown thanked you for your edit" and probably vice versa but we don't want to do it too often with frequent prompt message alerting us! Find a balance and let other editors know they're work is appreciated.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 17:07, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Putting part of this on the main page, thank others who contribute good DYKs too !♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 19:12, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

• Now in my 70s, I tend to be a bit conservative. The Danes and the Germans overdo the "thanks" routine at every turn ("Tak, Selv tak", "Danke, Bitte" with the result that it becomes automatic and pretty meaningless. In my opinion, thanks are appreciated when they are really heartfelt and expressed with sincerety. Pressing the thanks button in an article's history is liable to clutter things up. The editor who receives the thanks is bound to ask himself "Thanks for what?". (That was the way I reacted anyway.) The technical approach has much to be said for it but I think it would be much more useful if there were a "comment" prompt, allowing a short message to be sent to the last editor. Maybe this will come with time. Thanks very much, by the way, for raising the issue.--Ipigott (talk) 17:03, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Well, I think it's a nice touch to thank people for significant edits they contribute but agree that it can be overdone. To receive a "xxxx thanked you for xxx" every few days wouldn't hurt would it?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 08:55, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Active

Earlier I spotted a flaw in the process with the "Done", difficult to know who was done, articles which Nvv said were done, Rosie hadn't finished etc. So I devised a new table format, it might look a little daunting at first, but it really is quite simple once you take the time to look how it works. Follow the procedures and like the project, I'm sure you'll soon find this easier to operate and keep tabs on everything.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 17:43, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

When you click edit and see the table, the easiest way to think of it is after the date column, you're first Rosie, I'm second, Nvv is third column away from it, fourth is other contributor if applies and last without a column after it is notes. A || is needed to divide each column. Take the time to read the note update for current articles and also read the instructions in the hidden column below the table which you'll see when you click edit. It might take a few days to get used to it and you might not like it at first but I'm pretty sure you'll soon get used to it and like the more organized approach soon enough as I say.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 17:48, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Cool table; I like it. It'll keep me better organized. I'd like to be better organized with the noms. Maybe a different kind of table where we can check them off when they get into the queue instead of shuffling them around. Any thoughts? --Rosiestep (talk) 01:20, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

You mean a table for the waiting nommed section too?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 09:02, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

The table is a help but I'm not too sure about the "done". When I contribute to an article, I make an initial contribution but frequently return to it. If "done" simply means others can go ahead and contribute, fine. In any case, it's a good way of checking who else has contributed.--Ipigott (talk) 16:49, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

That's odd as one of the main reasons I started it was because of you and Nvv stating "done" next to the entries when Rosie or I hadn't edited them! It is important for each of us to clarify if we've pretty much finished the bulk of our work on an article to know when we're ready to nominate. If you still intend to add significant content to the article then you're not really "done" as such. If it is only minor copyedits you intend doing then "done" is probably OK.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 08:52, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

The table is a good way to monitor before posting articles on DYK. Can you pl tell me the tool to be used for thanking people for editing some of our sections?--Nvvchar. 01:15, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Nvvchar if you look at the diff of an edit next to undo there is now a "thank" link.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 10:15, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, Nvv look in the history of a page you'll see the thank link.

GA article of the week

Good news, I've nommed Marrakesh for GA. On doing so I discovered that Gilderien has nommed Paris for GA. I think it needs a lot of referencing work and polish. Tim riley has already reserved the review and put it back until July 2. Given the city's major importance I think it would be worth the effort. I'm going to make a start on it tomorrow. If anybody else is interested in helping going through and replacing sources with decent sfn notes and books and helping improve the sourcing with quality sources I'd be grateful, but if you understandablt find the article too daunting, don't worry!

I'd like to systematically go through replacing as many web sources as possible. Reached ref 27 with the replacement if anybody would like to continue. Please use sfn style for books and leave the ref number update here once done so I know where to leave off tomorrow.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 19:59, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

I'm not too keen to help at this stage but may come in later. My problem is that I am hopeless at using the approach you specify: sfn - whatever that might be - and all the template stuff. But it is much more than referencing the article needs. The lead is the kind of thing you would expect with a new article.--Ipigott (talk) 16:35, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Sfn is very straight forward, I showed Gilderien yesterday, but no worries if you're busy or find the article too daunting.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 16:55, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Translation

Translation is becoming something of a problem in our new articles. We now have quite a few requiring a good knowledge of French, German, Spanish, Swedish and Danish. I am finding I spend more and more time both on translation and on correcting the errors others have introduced using Google. I am sometimes astonished at the blatant errors that remain in articles that go all the way through to DYK. I share the overall wish to see more good articles from other wikis appear on the English Wikipedia but I do not think this should be done at the expense of inaccuracy. May I suggest that we make a real effort to bring in more editors with a good knowledge of one or more of the languages we need? I know Rosiestep has French and often lends a helping hand with Spanish but we need more. Any suggestions as to how we can attract them? Maybe on Signpost? Maybe on some of the other WikiProjects? Or perhaps by looking at who's translating what from the other languages? Some of you know how to identify people who are active in a given area in both English and another Wikipedia? --Ipigott (talk) 16:30, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Marrakesh/GA1

GA review has begun. Everybody happy with Bangui for our July goal?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 16:06, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Let me go through Bangui one more time after the DYK now that Marrakech review has given us indication as to what to look for.Nvvchar

Drug barons of Colombia

Some sources are problematic. They may have come from the existing bio articles so we need to decide whether they belong in this one. Before I start removing refs and content, I think we need to have a discussion. As we've discussed before, travel sites, such as medellintraveler.com are not encyclopedia-quality sources; remove the ref and the content, right? If you look at the About Us page for cinemablend.com you'll see why I think it's inappropriate; remove the ref and the content? Can someone else take a look at the About Us for http://www.celebritynetworth.com, and weigh in on whether it's encyclopedic? If it isn't; let's remove the ref and the content. --Rosiestep (talk) 13:26, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

I actually removed the sourced before I read this. None of us added those sources, it came from the biographies from reusing the text methinks,

Tokelau Act

A great deal of this article, while useful, is about legislation not directly about the Tokelau act. I propose a page move to Constitutional history of Tokelau, agreed? Details here. ♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 10:00, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

I think so. I have used the above reference.--Nvvchar. 13:41, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Agreed and done. --Rosiestep (talk) 18:33, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Nørreballe

Be careful researching this, this is about a different village in northern Funen I think. Potentially it could be very easy to mix in info about other places of the same name so be careful researching, probably better to search Nørreballe Lolland .♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 10:52, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Carsaig Bay

Should we move to Carsaig to include the estate too?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 13:42, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Not really because of categories, one is a bay, and the other is a locale with an estate. I'm going to carve out Carsaig Arches today. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:07, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Article count seeker you :-[.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 16:24, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Nevada City Downtown Historic District

Redirect? Why? How many of the buildings listed already belong to the district? I agree that it's probably better to expand the district first though.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 19:15, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

I think we should make Buildings and structures in Nevada City, California a redirect to Nevada City Downtown Historic District and then work on the NCDHD article. The reason is that I can't find any other wiki articles that begin with "Buildings and structures in [foo]", instead, they tend to be "List of" articles. While there are 96 buildings which make up the NCDHD, the major buildings are discussed starting on page 16 of this pdf. There are lots of other resources which can be googled. A word of caution when googling... There are at least 3 towns in the US named Nevada City and this article focuses on the one in Calif.--Rosiestep (talk) 19:18, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Really??

• Buildings and structures in Belfast
• Buildings and structures in Sheffield
• Buildings and architecture of Allentown, Pennsylvania
• Buildings and architecture of Bath
• Buildings and architecture of Bristol
• Buildings and architecture of New Orleans
• Buildings and sites of Salt Lake City
• Buildings and structures in the Halifax Regional Municipality
• Buildings and structures in Sremski Karlovci
• Landmarks of St. Louis
• Landmarks of Montreal
• Landmarks of Saint Petersburg
• Landmarks of Chicago

I'm of the opinion that most towns should have articles on its notable buildings. If every town on wikipedia had an article like Buildings and architecture of Bath we;d be massively better off.. In this case as it is a special historic district with 70 buildings we could redirect and expand that article but I remain firm in my belief that every town should have an article on its notable buildings like this.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 19:58, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

When I ran the search in wikipedia, I saw this and when I did it from goggle, I got this. I didn't look any further. But you're right, there are quite a few! Moving forward... To figure out which ones belong to the historic district, I've regrouped the buildings in Buildings and structures in Nevada City, California. FYI, all of the imgs already in the article were of historic district buildings. I bulleted the historic district buildings for ease in accounting for them but they should get their headers back. Are you ok with moving these buildings to the historic district article and working them first? There are a lot more buildings we'd need to add in the historic district article. --Rosiestep (talk) 21:33, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

I think we should move away from USA and UK for some time and shift over to A-Z countries where there are not many editors users to contribute.--Nvvchar. 05:57, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Hehe I cheated as I have an A-Z article programmer in the top corner which allows me to browse article alphabetically. You're welcome to use it too if you wish, just need to code it into your monobook. Yes I agree Nvv but US and UK will always form a staple of the work Rosie and I do for obvious reasons and so much work needs to be done! OK, let's focus on the A-Z countries for the next few weeks.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 09:34, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

• Thansk. I will try to access it. If I fail I will come back to you.--Nvvchar. 14:28, 1 July 2013 (UTC)