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Change to project naming conventions

After a bit of discussion at Talk:Tri-State Tornado, I decided that our naming conventions for tornado events (as listed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Severe weather/Tornado) should be changed. The current conventions are as follows:

Title

• The title of the outbreak, or tornado. Whenever possible, the naming convention should follow:
• Year (or Month/year, or day/month/year if need be)
• Geographic location (optional)
• tornado, or tornado outbreak
• Recent examples:

• - January 2008 tornado outbreak sequence
• - May 1-2, 2008 tornado outbreak

I propose we make changes so that if an event has an accepted name, that name should take precedence. Here is my proposed guideline:

Title

• The title of the outbreak, or tornado, should follow the earliest applicable style below

1. Accepted name. Example: Tri-State Tornado
2. If more than one name is in common use, that used by NOAA or an official weather agency should take precedence except in extraordinary circumstances, with any other names a redirect. Example: 1980 Grand Island tornado outbreak
3. If more than one event share the same name (even if the other event may not have its own article), precede the accepted name with the year (or, if needed, the month/date). The accepted name should serve as a disambiguation page. Example: Palm Sunday tornado outbreak
4. If there is no accepted name, the name should be formatted as follows:Year (or Month/year, or day/month/year if need be) Geographic location (only if necessary: City, State, Country, Continent, or any combination of these) tornado, tornado outbreak, or tornado outbreak sequence. Examples: January 2008 tornado outbreak sequence, May 1-2, 2008 tornado outbreak, or 2007 Brooklyn tornado

Comments on other parts of the standard format are welcome, too (such as the Categories discussion above).-RunningOnBrains 04:10, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

These sound good to me, especially in a case like the Tri-State tornado. There are certain events that don't need years, like you wouldn't call it 1939 - 1944 World War II. WxGopher (talk) 04:38, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Seems to make sense. Note that further disambiguation may be necessary even if the other events are not article-worthy (and only covered on Tornadoes of xxxx), i.e. Mid-October 2007 tornado outbreak requires dab since there were moderate events in the first week of that month. CrazyC83 (talk) 05:52, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

I would have to agree with above comments, this systems makes quite a bit of sense, and we need some kind of naming convention. Thanks for including me, and who knows, I might start editing on a regular basis agian (but just editing, I won't go anywhere near an FAC or GAN). Southern Illinois SKYWARN (talk) 01:34, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

We've been trying out this type of naming procedure for unnamed tropical cyclones prior to 1950, and it is reasonable. Thegreatdr (talk) 02:13, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, that's the closest I've ever seen to consensus on Wikipedia. ;P I've changed the text at Wikipedia:WikiProject Severe weather/Tornado as proposed, with an additional note on point 2 as suggested by CrazyC. Nice to see you all again!-RunningOnBrains 03:47, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Severe weather category

I was looking at the article Thermal and found its category was Category:Severe weather and convection. This category seems too restrictive. 'Severe weather' I could just understand as a category for hurricanes, but a lot of convection is benign. Obviously convection is a source of weather, but I suggest the cat is just called 'severe weather'. I have moved thermal to Category:Weather for want of anywhere better. JMcC (talk) 12:44, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

A-Class assessment

I have posted a proposal at WikiProject Meteorology to start a combined A-class WikiProject assessment for the Meteorology, Severe weather, and Non-tropical storms. Comments from anyone would be appreciated at the discussion here.-RunningOnBrains 08:22, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Coordinators' working group

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Awesome website for references

While I am still on a semi-permanent Wikibreak, this website is just too useful not to inform others about it. The Iowa Environmental Mesonet offers an archive of nearly all NWS products with radar imagery since 2003. I have used it just to browse through an outbreak day for fun, but this could be extremely helpful with refs., especially with Tornado emergency. Southern Illinois SKYWARN (talk) 12:45, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

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Formation and GANing of wake low article

On the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Non-tropical storms page, there was a request for a new article named wake low. It has been created, but could still use an additional image or two and a copy edit or a second set of eyes to look it over. Since there isn't much to the topic, the article is not very big. Any feedback would be appreciated, either here on its talk page. Thegreatdr (talk) 17:20, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Squall line

This article is also up for GA review. I'm surprised there had been such little outside editing of this article over the past couple years. Thegreatdr (talk) 14:05, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

File:Oklahoma city tornado February 10 2009.jpg

Real?

Does anyone else think this looks completely photoshopped? -RunningOnBrains^{(talk page)} 04:02, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree, it looks odd and fake. Showtime2009 (talk) 17:03, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I got it from the NCDC so, I don't know any more than that. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 17:07, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Well can we remove it? I mean the funnel does not even go all the way up to the clouds. Showtime2009 (talk) 00:58, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Looks like a landspout to me, which is what it's used to illustrate on the main tornado article. rdfox 76 (talk) 01:45, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Whoops, I was thinking of [[File:GID Landspout.jpg]]. Still, looks like a landspout, so I don't think it's photoshopped. (Anyone know how to make that a link without it inlining the image itself?) rdfox 76 (talk) 01:50, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Just put a colon in front of it ([[:File:GID Landspout.jpg]], which produces File:GID Landspout.jpg. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 23:59, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

I just found a website that has a higher resolution image than the one from NCDC. [1] Supportstorm (talk) 00:32, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Mesoscale convective system up for GAN

I've significantly expanded the article over the past couple days, similar to this time last year. The article now looks well-enough referenced and complete enough for GAN, so it has now been submitted for GA. Thegreatdr (talk) 19:17, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Wind is up for FAC

Although technically part of the broader meteorology project, I thought I'd let you all know that wind is up for FAC, since it is highly related to this project. Thegreatdr (talk) 22:45, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

SE KS, S MO, SW IL MCV on May 8

I would like some feedback to determine if anyone thinks an article is needed about the MCV and derecho that went across SE KS, S MO, and SW IL on May 8. Besides being extremely anomalous, just look at this description from WFO PAH, it also resulted in one death and an unknown number of injuries. A 106 mph gust was reported in Carbondale in association with the MCV, and area governments declared states of emergency and imposed curfews. I rest my case. Southern Illinois SKYWARN (talk) 17:35, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

I'd be happy to help out with an article on this, especially when the NCDC reports for it are out. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 18:38, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

The NCDC report should be out next month, and there are a wealth of local media stories on the MCV. I am just getting back from vacation, so I won't do anything today, but I will start at least a bare-bones article some time this week. Southern Illinois SKYWARN (talk) 18:42, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

I had not realized an article already quasi-exists regarding the derecho and MCV at May 2009 derecho series, however, I think I would still like to create a new article since it was such a massive event with wide reaching effects. The best name would probably be May 2009 Southern Midwest derecho, so I will go ahead and start the article there today. Southern IllinoisSKYWARN^{Got something to say?} 13:48, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

WFO PAH has their storm data out, I've been poring over it and adding to the article as necessary. It would nice if someone could help out. Southern IllinoisSKYWARN^{Got something to say?} 16:11, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Nowcasting

As you are very active in the Meteorology project, you might be able to answer me. I've created a French article about Nowcasting. I'm occasionnally active in Meteorology in English and I wanted to link my article to the English correspondant article. The closest I found was Convective storm detection and a mention in Weather forecasting but nothing direct. Is there any plan to create such an article or it is under another name? Pierre cb (talk) 17:56, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Lightning ACID

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Radar Images from GR 2 AE

I have noticed that many articles have been using images form GR; I have many archived radar images from many different events in GR 2 AE. While I don't believe any of my images would help currently, I am sure I will capture an image at a later date that may be useful in article,and I wanted to ask before I uploaded any images because I am not sure about copyright issues. Southern Illinois SKYWARN (talk) 19:12, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Forgive my ignorance...GR? AE? What are these things? And which article are you talking about? If you're looking for past NEXRAD images, they are all available at the NCDC site. -RunningOnBrains^{(talk page)} 19:31, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Okay, GR is the awesome Gibson Ridge radar program, AE is the analyst edition which features volumetric (3D) images. All editions of Gibson Ridge smooth out the radar data, good example here. Obviously, this is far superior to the non-smoothened NCDC archive data. However, I was a bit concerned about copyright issues from images not posted on the NWS website, such as those from my own collection, since the program costs $250. Southern Illinois SKYWARN (talk) 23:43, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Would you be able to get any of those for landfalling hurricanes too? That'd be really helpful for the WPTC project also. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 23:56, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

I certainly would, and a volumetric display of an eye would probably look very neat, GR has a few screenshots on their website, but they are almost certainly copyrighted. Southern Illinois SKYWARN (talk) 01:09, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Sweet! You have that program? Cyclonebiskit (talk) 01:13, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I have the program and I LOVE it, I use it anytime there is any kind "radargenic" severe weather. Anyway, this gets back at my first question of copyright. Whenever I save a screenshot of the program, I save the entire radar window show the time stamp , VCP mode, site, and product show up, but this also shows the GR logo, also keep in mind that the entire program is proprietary to GR. If we cannot figure out the answer on here, I will send off an e-mail to GR or ask on one of their forums. Southern Illinois SKYWARN (talk) 01:28, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

I think it's best to email them anyways to be safe Cyclonebiskit (talk) 01:40, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

I just sent off the e-mail and hopefully will hear back some time tomorrow. Southern IllinoisSKYWARN^{Got something to say?} 03:00, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

If you get the green light for it, a radar loop (if not an image) for the 2006 Westchester County tornado would be much appreciated. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 13:53, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

I have received the e-mail back, and we can use the images! Yeah! That is as long as there is some kind of acknowledgement. As for the 2006 tornado, I only have archived images of significant events since February of this year, when I bought the program. However, if anyone needs GR images of ongoing wx events, just contact me on my talk page, and if I do not respond, (after all, I may be primarily watching the radar) send me an e-mail. Southern IllinoisSKYWARN^{Got something to say?} 15:16, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

I kind of lied, as I am going through the OTRS now on Wikimedia, and I sent another e-mail to GR clarifying a few things. Hopefully, they will still agree. Southern IllinoisSKYWARN^{Got something to say?} 18:31, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

I have uploaded my first GR screenshot, so if anyone needs other screenshots just ask me on my talk page. Southern IllinoisSKYWARN^{Got something to say?} 01:07, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

There is a beautiful supercell in southern SD right now, I have taken a couple of screenshots that would probably make excellent example images; I have base reflectivity and SRV. I also have a volumetric (3D) display of the supercell. Southern IllinoisSKYWARN^{Got something to say?} 02:45, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Waterspout and Outflow boundary - GANed months ago

Just alerting the severe weather project to the two articles within their domain which were nominated for GA status. Thegreatdr (talk) 21:49, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Two months have now passed since their nomination. Waterspout is about to make the oldest GAN entries not yet reviewed. Thegreatdr (talk) 14:26, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Severe Weather Article

I currently working on the Hazard paragraph of the Severe Weather Article. If anyone else contributing to this WikiProject is willing to help, please do. —Preceding unsigned comment added by KnowledgeRequire (talk • contribs) 02:10, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I have also been working on this article, and it needs a MAJOR overhaul of some sort. The article doesn't seem to know which direction it wants to head is the biggest issue that needs sorted out. --Ks0stm ^(T•C) 04:08, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I nominated the article for the Wikipedia Article Collaboration and Improvement Drive. It needs support, however, or it will not be the WP:ACID collaboration. --Ks0stm ^(T•C) 04:38, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I added my vote towards it. The severe weather article doesn't really cover a specific topic and many of the information presented is already written. I'm planning to add overview sections of different harzards of severe weather and probably connect them to the main articles. A section for the prevention or what to do during these severe weather occurrances may be added as well. KnowledgeRequire (talk) 16:50, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I added a translate-from-French template to the article (along with copyedit and refimprove), since the corresponding article on the French Wikipedia is at good article status. Ks0stm ^(T•C) 19:17, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Severe weather is currently doing well in progress. However, it now requires a copyedit to enable to be nominated for Good Article status. It has been placed upon the request page of the Guild Of Copyeditors, though they have a huge backlog that needs to be taken care of. If everyone knows any copyeditors capable of assisting, or is capable of doing so, please help. KnowledgeRequire (talk) 22:04, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

The current structure and organization of the severe weather article has numerous issues that needs to be adressed. However, after a lot discussion and attempts to re-organize the contents, we now are requesting the assistance of others to give suggestions and comments on the structure of the article. Would members of the severe weather Wikiproject mind taking a look and put your perspectives into the improvement of the article structure? It would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. (Talk Page link) KnowledgeRequire (talk) 16:32, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

April 2004 Utica tornado outbreak

Good day members of WikiProject Severe weather, I am once again gunning to get the article April 2004 Utica tornado outbreak renamed to something like April 20, 2004 Tornado Outbreak or similar name for multiple reasons, as the current title downplays the 29 other tornadoes that were part of this outbreak. I tried this once before about 2 years ago I believe, and was very naive in renaming it and my action was undone. I figured I should come here and get some opinions before trying it again. -Marcusmax(speak) 20:45, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

New template for tagging NWS images

This has also been posted at WT:METEO

I'm not sure how often others have run into this problem, but images we upload from NWS damage surveys which state "Courtesy of" some party tend to get deleted as copyright violations. However, as this discussion at Commons confirmed for me, these images are in fact in Public Domain, and so can be used at Wikipedia. I have created {{PD-NWS}} to use on National Weather Service photos; we should use this to prevent confusion in the future. -RunningOnBrains^(talk) 04:22, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Well done! This was badly needed, and should help clear things up in the future. WxGopher (talk) 19:49, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Hail is up for GA

The article has been improved enough to be placed up for GA. If anyone from this project would like to improve a severe weather article to this status, or review one of the two now up for GA, feel free. Jason was good enough to review the waterspout article, which recently made GA status. Thegreatdr (talk) 16:24, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Thunderstorm is up for GA, again

While the structure of severe weather has been in limbo, a couple of us have been upgrading the thunderstorm article, which has just been submitted for another GAN attempt, three years after its delisting as a GA. Thegreatdr (talk) 19:15, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

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While much progress has been made, we need people to read through it and point out jargon which needs to be clarified/simplified. Thegreatdr (talk) 14:15, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Severe weather terminology (United States)

I fixed up this article quite a bit, and decided to be bold and move it up to B class, although it would be much appreciated for a second opinion on that assessment, having not done much article assessment myself. Ks0stm ^(T•C•G) 06:33, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

At first glance I'd say the article needs better structure, more complete citation formatting, and an overall polishing. I'd put it at C-Class, but B is reasonable too. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 17:54, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Names

Hi all. I'm currently looking for misnamed article titles that fall within this project's scope, and I've found quite a number that violate WP:MOS in that they have incorrect/misleading dashes or capitalization. Just a heads-up for everyone to keep an eye out. Thanks! –Juliancolton | ^Talk 17:53, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

User:Ks0stm/Mesovortices

This page is a draft of an article that I am writing about mesovortices, and I am looking for feedback on how it can be improved (I'm guessing by adding more sources, but what else?) and assistance from people more knowledgeable on the topic than I am. Right now the article incorporates text from mesocyclone and Eye (cyclone)#Eyewall mesovortices, and will hopefully eventually be a main article for those two topics, rather than vice versa. Any and all input appreciated, Ks0stm ^(T•C•G) 00:30, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

2009 Christmas Winter Storm

I marked this article as under Wikiproject Severe due to the tornado outbreak that occurred with it, according to the article "25 tornadoes have been reported over a two day span starting on December 23. Near Lafayette, Louisiana a possible tornado destroyed multiple homes in a subdivision. Near Longview, Texas a EF-2 tornado left a path of destruction nearly one mile long, causing large amounts of damage. Another tornado near Lufkin, Texas produced EF3 damage." Would this warrant a separate article on the tornado outbreak associated with it, or do we normally keep them in the same article? Either way, it's marked as a current-class article under Wikiproject Severe Weather and Wikiproject Non-tropical Storms. Ks0stm ^(T•C•G) 15:21, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Storm Prediction Center

I made major changes to this article (primarily referencing and the lead section), and if someone who has more experience at assessing articles could reassess it, that would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Ks0stm ^(T•C•G) 22:18, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Three body scatter spike

Hi,

It has been proposed to merge the Three body scatter spike (TBSS)article into the weather radar article. The TBSS was originally created by a user to expand a section of the weather radar article, similarly to the BWER one. Personally I think that the article should be expanded and not merged. I linked it to differents articles so it is not an orphan either. I invite the community to go to Talk:Three body scatter spike and give your advice on this proposed merger. Pierre cb (talk) 14:03, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

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Grammar issues in article titles

Just today I created an article August 23, 1998 Upper Great Lakes severe weather outbreak and I thought it was perfectly fine until a very insightful editor pointed out to me that in actuality I was not conforming with a guideline of WP:MOS. It turns out that there actually should be a comma after the year as well unless its at the end of a sentence per WP:COPYEDIT#Common edits (the seventh bullet) so I ended up renaming the page to August 23, 1998, Upper Great Lakes severe weather outbreak. But whats important about this mixup is that many of our articles also fail this guideline. Take for instance April 6–8, 2006 Tornado Outbreak a Good Article, but there is no comma after the year (and tornado is capitalized). And also articles like April 2, 2006 Central United States tornado outbreak which was at one point a GAN. I think it would be best if we look into this issue and make changes to naming conventions as needed. -Marcusmax(speak) 04:55, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

User:Ks0stm/List of tornadoes striking Oklahoma City

I've started this, but may be in a bit over my head. I'm defining "Oklahoma City" as Oklahoma County and am using the NCDC database to create a list of all tornadoes that have struck Oklahoma City since 1950 (not sure where I'll find sources for before then). If anyone would like to take a decade and help create this, that would be great. Ks0stm ^(T•C•G) 22:15, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Wow thats actually an amazing idea that could be implemented in many other areas. However the title seems a bit elementary perhaps something like "List of confirmed tornadoes in Oklahoma County" seems a bit more professional. -Marcusmax(speak) 01:21, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

It is a good idea, but a comprehensive list probably can't be created based on NCDC alone. TornadoHistoryProject (which is an excellent resource, BTW) lists 99 tornadoes in Oklahoma County between 1950 and 2009. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 20:33, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

7th Century "plague weather" - ?

Somewhere I read an article about a bout of worldwide bad weather which led to the collapse/upheaval of societies, causing everything from crop failures/destruction to retardation and stillbirths; see Talk:7th Century#Plague of Justinian - wrong century?; I'm hoping someone here knows about this and can add it to that article, which incorrectly attributes the 6th Century Plague of Justinian to be the cause of global population collapse in the 7th Century.Skookum1 (talk) 15:39, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Super storm

May I draw to the possibly-relevant WikiProjects the poor quality of the Super storm article? Hopefully someone with more relevant knowledge than myself can rewrite or improve it. M0ffx (talk) 11:28, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Improvements were made in the article yesterday and today. See if this helps resolve some its previous issues. It still needs much referencing, and a more unified reference format. Thegreatdr (talk) 22:05, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Are local weather events WP:NOTABLE

I live in Maine and can recall several major severe weather events, including this and this. Are these events notable enough for inclusion on Wikipedia? Immunize (talk) 18:55, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

It depends. Noteworthy, highly destructive local events (like 2006 Westchester County tornado) may be notable, depending on whether or not they have been covered by enough secondary sources. Those NWS links are dead, so I can't see exactly which events you're referring to. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 20:30, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Sorry about the dead links. One of the links is to tornado watch 745, during which day a highly destructive tornado killed 1 person in new Hampshire. The other is I believe a tornado watch issued in my area. During this tornado watch, there was extensive severe (58 mph>) winds but a tornado did not occur. Immunize (talk) 13:13, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Probably not. We have a couple of ice storm articles, North American ice storm of 1998, December 2008 New England and Upstate New York ice storm, because they were covered by mainstream (i.e. non-weather-related) news outlets, but that's probably about it. Even severe tornado outbreaks don't seem to have their own articles generally speaking. I admit though I've never read through the notability guidelines in detail. —Soap— 13:51, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

I feel that the initial severe weather event should have it's own article because it killed one person and was covered by non-weather news outlets (see here.) the other event I feel is non-notable, after more consideration. Immunize (talk) 14:32, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

High-profile tornado outbreaks generally can (and do) have articles. More minor tornadoes are often included in Tornadoes of 2010, which I think would be a good option for the event Immunize mentioned. In addition to the fact that said tornado killed one person, its fairly unusual location probably makes it even a better candidate for inclusion in the 2010 season article. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 16:27, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

I have added it to the Tornados in 2008 article. Immunize (talk) 19:40, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Comment on over-broadening of outbreak articles

I have noticed in several recent articles (and some older articles) that we are being over-zealous of our treatments of the dates surrounding tornado outbreaks. For instance, the article April–May 2010 tornado outbreak lists tornadoes for both April 29 and May 3, even though both days had only two minor tornadoes. Likewise, the February 2009 tornado outbreak article lists 4 minor tornadoes which occurred the next day. I'd just like to get a little discussion here so I know I'm not crazy when I say these events shouldn't belong... -RunningOnBrains^(talk) 04:54, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

You have a longer history with writing such articles than I; what was typically done before 2010? Ks0stm ^(T•C•G) 06:14, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

It's never really been addressed before. The typical definition of tornado outbreak is 6 or more tornadoes with no more than a 6 hour break between them (though this is subject to much debate), so the two cases above clearly do not fit the definition. I would be in favor of trimming a lot of articles; for instance—I think we can stand to lose March 2009 tornado outbreak sequence all together—but I want others' opinions before I take a hacksaw to a bunch of articles :-D -RunningOnBrains^(talk) 15:15, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

I really don't think we should start the hacking based upon 6 hours in between tornadoes, as this doesn't allow for 25 tornadoes every evening with none in the AM, but at the same time I do think 6 or more confirmed tornadoes a day from the same weather system would probably be a good number, although there would have to be some other threshold of notability for starting the article in the first place than 6 tornadoes two days in a row, because that's just not notable enough unless one of them is violent. Ks0stm ^(T•C•G) 17:38, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

June 5, 2010 tornado outbreak

Im pretty sure we are going to need an article about yesterdays outbreak, im assuming someone has a sandbox going but if not we should as a project start work on it. -Marcusmax(speak) 13:21, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

It appears one was just created, thanks. -Marcusmax(speak) 13:59, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Air-mass thunderstorm - A severe weather article?

After doing a bit of work on the air-mass thunderstorm article, I noticed it was included within the severe weather article. Since they only rarely produce severe weather, why is that? Just curious. Thegreatdr (talk) 18:58, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

After 6 1/2 months of no response, I switched the tag back to the meteorology project. Let me know if anyone has issues with this. Thegreatdr (talk) 22:08, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

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For the Wikipedia 1.0 editorial team, SelectionBot 23:35, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

New stub template

Hi all -just a quick heads-up that there is a new stub template which is relevant to your project: {{flood-stub}}. This templatee can be used on any stubs relating to floods that would previously have got {{Disaster-stub}} and/or {{Weather-stub}}. At the moment the template is upmerged, in that it feeds into Category:Disaster stubs and Category:Weather event stubs, as there are still too few stubs for it to have its own dedicated category (it needs 60 for that). If it reaches 60, feel free to propose a separate stub category for it at WP:WSS/P (if it's that size it will almost certainly just be rubber-stamped, but WP:WSS would like to stay in the loop so that we know what's going on :) Hope the new template helps - if there are any problems with it, please let Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Stub sorting know. Cheers, Grutness...wha? 09:01, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Discussion for renaming the categories of tornadoes and hurricanes in the United States by state

Feel free to participate in Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2011 January 17#Tornadoes and hurricanes in the United States by state. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 05:42, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

2011 outbreak articles?

Total newbie here. I was just wondering about two tornado outbreaks in 2011 that I feel are deserving of their own articles. The February 24-28 event produced 55 tornadoes. That is fairly significant in my opinion. However this outbreak was produced by two consecutive weather systems, so would this article include tornadoes that were produced by both systems? The other event in question would be the March 5-10 sequence. This outbreak produced 34 tornadoes, but once again was produced by two back-to-back systems. Do these events deserve articles? Any input would be great.

Sharkguy05 (talk) 17:55, 26 March 2011 (UTC)Sharkguy05

Check the List of North American tornadoes and tornado outbreaks, It doesn't appear we have articles for the two outbreaks you noted. I'm not the most active WikiProject Severe weather member so I'm not exactly sure one what determines which outbreaks deserve an article. And I'm not too familiar with those two outbreaks. Although the number of tornadoes in an outbreak is somewhat of an indication of importance of the event my assumption is that outbreak articles are more likely is determined by how many of those are significant tornadoes. We do have an article about the on-going Mid-April 2011 tornado outbreak. Bhockey10 (talk) 03:03, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Storm Wikifier

Please see the storm wikifier to facilitate importing data from http://www.spc.noaa.gov/climo/reports into a wiki table. I would link to it from an ordinary project page, but I'm not sure where it goes. -- ke4roh (talk) 04:43, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

See User:Ke4roh/Storm_Wikifier for web-accessible tools to make a wiki table out of the NWS storm report and to count the tornadoes in a table. -- ke4roh (talk) 11:38, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Assessment

Is there a reason we don't use the File, Redirect, and Disambig labels for any of our assessments? Inks.LWC (talk) 02:56, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Not as far as I can tell, although Redirect class is probably only useful for pages which could in the future be their own page, or were their own page in the past and so the page history must be kept for copyright reasons. Also, most files are stored at Commons, so there probably shouldn't be many File class templates used. Disambig should be used more, however. -RunningOnBrains^(talk) 03:20, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

I thought "Needed" was what was supposed to be used for redirects that could become articles in the future. What exactly is the way to go about adding the use of Disambig? If articles are tagged as such, will the assessment bot automatically add it to the table? Inks.LWC (talk) 03:28, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Also, there are some files that I'm finding that aren't hosted on the Commons. Does it matter that those aren't tagged as part of the project? Inks.LWC (talk) 03:32, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:F5 tornadoes

Category:F5 tornadoes, which is under the purview of this WikiProject, has been nominated for renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Ks0stm ^(T•C•G) 18:55, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

New page: Severe thunderstorm outbreak

This page was created by a new user who's been a bit overzealous with page creation. The page in and of itself isn't necessarily a bad idea, though I question whether or not I would include derechos and tropical cyclones in the article. Does anybody have some ideas on potential references that could be used to make the article encyclopedic? Inks.LWC (talk) 20:31, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

I support inclusion of this article as no other single article quite captures it, but yes, it needs work and there are plenty of refereed articles available, including some of those of the current tornado outbreak article's references. Evolauxia (talk) 22:41, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Merge proposal

Hi,

It has been suggested that glaze ice be merged into the freezing rain article since 8th of December 2011. It would be to hear from the communauty about his at Talk:Freezing rain#Merge glaze ice into this article. Pierre cb (talk) 13:43, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Junk articles?

I just came across two new articles, Cambridge, Massachusetts tornado and March 1875 Southeast tornado outbreak by the same author. They look like junk to me, but I would appreciate an more knowledgeable editor from this project taking a look. The sources quoted don't seem to relate to the dates of these events, and some of the terminology seems suspect given the date. Thanks Derek Andrews (talk) 02:02, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

NCDC resources

NCDC a couple weeks ago made Storm Data available in full for free. For those unaware, it's a great resource for past events, so check it out. Previously, there was a charge for the full documents. Most other NCDC documents are also now available. For the yearly summary articles, NCDC's State of the Climate reports in recent years all have tornado sections. Here's an example for 2011. Other sections are of interest to other Wikiprojects. Evolauxia (talk) 22:41, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Tornado outbreak and outbreak sequence definitions

There continues to be improper article nomenclature with regard to tornado outbreak sequences. The distinguishing feature of an outbreak sequence is that there are continuous outbreaks punctuated with no breaks. Looser definitions might allow for a day of low activity bounded by significant outbreaks, but that's about it. It is not a catch all for any active periods separated by several days. Those occur every spring. For Wikipedia purposes, those could be called "xx tornado outbreaks" when not wanting to separate specific outbreaks into separate articles. "...tornado outbreak sequence" should be maintained only in rare instances.

Also, although definitions of tornado outbreak vary, if there is a substantial time gap between cessation of one spurt of tornadic activity and beginning of another, it *is* common among definitions to consider this as a separate outbreak. Again, including instances occurring outside this window doesn't capture the concept of outbreak as described in reliable sources. From what I've seen, this comes to bear mostly with regard to tallying outbreak statistics. Outbreak stats cannot be reliably compared when different definitions are being applied to the degree that is being done. Evolauxia (talk) 22:41, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Page notices on tornado event/year articles

Currently we add a page notice to every "Tornadoes of XXXX" articles (it can be viewed by clicking edit on Tornadoes of 2012). I recommend adding this notice to all tornado outbreak and single tornado pages in the future as well, starting with the two outbreak pages created so far this year. My reasoning is that it will hopefully get people to use {{cite web}} or {{cite news}} with the title and url parameters, at least, which will help with replacing them when the links go dead a few years down the road. We could also add a part about recommending that people archive references they add, but that may be asking a bit much and I don't know that many people would actually follow that request. What does everyone else think? Ks0stm ^{(T•C•G•E)} 19:52, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:HighBeam

Wikipedia:HighBeam describes a limited opportunity for Wikipedia editors to have access to HighBeam Research.
—Wavelength (talk) 16:01, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Derecho

I've posited a question on the talk page of Derecho about why a German-Danish immigrant in Iowa chose to name this weather event in Spanish--especially when the word just means "straight." It's a question a lot of us non-weather people might have when we are wondering what kind of crack-addict Thunderstorm hit us last week, killed 17 people, and kept us without power for a week and we hear the word "derecho" for the first (and likely only) time in our lives.--ColonelHenry (talk) 14:45, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

If you pay any attention to weather at all, then it should certainly not be the only time you hear of derechos. A derecho is more destructive than the majority of tornados. Straight as is straight-line winds, where tornado comes from tornar, meaning "to turn" referring to turning winds.  --Bowser the Storm Tracker  ^{Chat Me Up} 03:37, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

I am confused as to why having a Spanish word describe a weather phenomenon would be a problem... It was termed that way to distinguish it from "tornado", which is (arguably) Spanish in origin, in much the same way that La Nina was coined as the converse of El Nino. It's a term that's been used by meteorologists for over 100 years, (and has been cited by media outlets repeatedly in the past) and just because you've never heard of it before doesn't mean it's new. -RunningOnBrains^(talk) 08:08, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Help with droughtbox

I started a template at {{usdroughtbox}} for US droughts, but there's a code error somewhere and I can't find it. Help would be greatly appreciated! Thx,  --Bowser the Storm Tracker  ^{Chat Me Up} 18:12, 5 August 2012 (UTC)