Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television/Canadian television task force/Archive 1

Archive 1

Category: TV shows produced in Vancouver

Cool wikiproject! It's about shows made in Canada as well as broadcast in Canada, right? Anyways, I was thinking it would be cool to have a category or list of shows produced in Vancouver. This may be to broad and need narrowing down, I don't know. - Peregrine Fisher 07:08, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I hadn't really though about that. I was thinking shows about/set within Canada, but given the number of TV shows filmed in Canada that aren't set in Canada, I think that would become a part of the project. I think a category would work better than a list, since I think all you want to say is "Produced in Vancouver". I think that a "Produced in Toronto" cat might be warrented as well, as that's the other filming hotspot. JQFTalkContribs 20:25, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Please help settle a stalemate

Hi. Could someone please help settle a debate on Canadian science fiction. We are talking about what shows should be listed under the title of "Canadian". User:Avt tor feels that anything filmed in Canada counts as Canadian, whereas I feel that something should have some Canadian creative input to get the title. I have tried to propose a middle ground of splitting the list so that we can both get our way, but he will not allow any compromise. --Arctic Gnome 08:13, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I've ran into him before regarding the same issue. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 14:37, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
You are mistaking finance for "creative input"; you are not acknowledging the work of Canadian creative talent on shows produced in Canada. If you talk to authors, screenwriters, actors, production staff, and active fans (organizers of conventions and clubs), the definition of "Canadian" is clearly works done by people living in Canada. Avt tor 18:33, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
There's nothing wrong with reconizing Canadian talent in shows, I infact would encourage it, but their is a need to reconize the diffence between something with Canadian talent, and something about Canada. JQFTalkContribs 04:04, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Hardly any Canadian science fiction is "about Canada". For that matter, most American science fiction isn't about America either, and, for example, I would have trouble considering a show like "Star Cops" to be American just because a lot of it is set in the US or the "Ronald Reagan Space Station", and I would certainly consider Hercules to be New Zealander rather than, say, Greek. One could parenthetically highlight shows using Canadian settings, but that's a very small group. Avt tor 04:16, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
I suppose that could be said about science fiction and fantasy. The only sci-fi I can think of off hand set in Canada in ReGenesis, and even then it isn't "about Canada". Hmmm, now I want to go petition the CBC to make more sci-fi shows set in Canada. Maybe change the name of the article to "Science fiction produced in Canada" or something? Maybe sublist or cat the ones specifically set withing Canada? Or maybe two Cats, one "Sci-fi produced in Canada" and one "Shows set within Canada"? JQFTalkContribs 05:10, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Off the top of my head, Alienated, The Collector, Forever Night, and Highlander: The Raven were clearly set in Canada, but you're right that it's a short list. An article about "Shows set in Canada" would be very short and uninteresting.Avt tor 06:41, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
I've been considering this in terms of Stargate Atlantis -- which I always thought qualified as "Canadian content", but others think not, see the talk page. The only distinction I can think of that might be definitive, and I haven't gone to a recorded episode of the programme to confirm what it says, is that there's a little paragraph at the end of most television programmes regarding "country of first publication" for copyright purposes. That would categorize a lot of programmes funded by US production companies and shot in Canada as being US in origin. However, it might be a hard-and-fast rule that an editor could point to with assurance. What are people's thoughts? Accounting4Taste 18:12, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
There are places to look up such information that maybe didn't exist on the interwebs nearly 6 years ago when the previous comment was composed. The "country of first publication" or "this motion picture is protected under the copyright laws of" often includes the USA no matter what the show's nature and origin might be. One of the easiest ways is to watch the end credits for either the Canada Media Fund (April 2010-present) or Canadian Television Fund (1998-March 2010) or Cable Production Fund (1995-1996) or Telefilm Canada's Broadcast Development Production Fund (1996-1998) as each of those required the product to satisfy Canadian Content requirements. I do believe there is something about the Stargate franchise which qualifies it even though Rising Parts 1 And 2 don't make use of any of those funds. That something might be that the creators of Stargate Atlantis are Canadians. That would apply to Bones. So perhaps it is created by Canadians and made in Canada that qualifies it as CanCon. There are very definitive answers to this question for many shows since at least a few cable channels have a clause in their licence which limits scheduling of non-Canadian content to certain times of day. For example, right now Beauty & The Beast is shown Thursdays at 9pm ET on Showcase but Defiance isn't shown until 10pm ET on Mondays because the former is CanCon and the latter isn't and Showcase's licence prohibits non-Canadian programming between 7 and 10pm. B&TB will almost certainly forever remain an American show per the Wiki article because that is just how things get done around here and truth isn't actually valued at Wikipedia as much as things being verifiable is. An example of why use of the copyright notice or/and country of publication is flawed lies in the most popular sci-fi show so far this century to come from Canada -- Continuum's notice on episode 1 does not even mention Canada. "This motion picture is protected under the laws of the United States and other countries." The copyright however tells a different story -- "Copyright 2012 © Timely Productions Inc. All Rights Reserved." Timely Productions Inc. is the i-am-gonna-guess-holding-company for the show and it is located in North Van. I guess this is a longer way of saying the short answer is 'it isn't always very easy to figure out on any given show'. delirious & lost~hugs~ 05:37, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Hockey Night in Canada GA

I've started trying to fix up HNIC, please help at Talk:Hockey_Night_in_Canada#GA. - Peregrine Fisher 19:31, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Anime conventions

Why are Canadian anime conventions (such as Anime North and Animaritime) being added to this project? They're conventions, not TV shows.--PatrickD 20:33, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

I added them because this project isn't just about TV shows themselves, but also the history and such of TV shows in Canada. Since these articles are about Canadian conventions focusing on anime (which includes TV shows), I figured they fit the bill. JQFTalkContribs 03:57, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Anime and manga has a section on conventions. That's a more logical place for these, IMO. Avt tor 04:18, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
While they should be under that, I don't see any reason why they can't be under both. JQFTalkContribs 05:15, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
I personally have no objection to including fandom as a category within this WikiProject; fandom is my thing. However, I would be surprised if the consensus supported such an expansion of the scope of this particular WikiProject. Avt tor 06:44, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
I think it's appropriate. We should tag any Canadien sci-fi conventions that do TV to. - Peregrine Fisher 07:02, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
After looking, I can't find a list or cat of sci-fi conventions (or any conventions other that the anime) in Canada. As such, I've created the Category:Conventions in Canada Cat. It needs to be populated, and a Sci-fi cat could be created to. JQFTalkContribs 18:46, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
I don't see why it would matter to make anime cons apart of this project scope. Project scopes are about distributing, selecting, and focusing on work loads, and are different from categorization. If it's not directly related and has another project covering it.. then it's just counter productive to have two projects covering the same article. -- Ned Scott 03:36, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Category naming

I would like to point out that there is a policy towards not using abbreviations in the names of categories. This project seems to have created several categories that contain "TV shows", i would suggest changing that to "television shows" or "television programs" or something the likes. TheDJ (talkcontribsWikiProject Television) 11:36, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject British TV shows uses the same naming convention, so if it's going to be changed, they should probably be informed as well. JQFTalkContribs 12:42, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Collaboration of the week

I'm thinking with the distinct lack of articles above the "B" class, I think a "Collaboration of the week" program might be in order. Comments? JQFTalkContribs 17:37, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Scopes of WikiProjects

I thought I should give notice here, since I've given this WikiProject as an example of scoping I feel has gone off track. See discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject reform#The scope. -- Ned Scott 00:45, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Reminder

Just a reminder that television shows airing on the CBC are to link to CBC Television, not to Canadian Broadcasting Corporation. Bearcat 08:15, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Episode coverage

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Categorization

Just to keep everybody updated, I've started to create dedicated "(Specific year) in Canadian television" categories. I didn't originate the idea; I started it after noticing that at least one such category had been created for a specific year in Australian television. I think it's a valuable way to keep appropriate articles together, however, so I thought I'd explain how I envision them working.

The main category would contain:

Each year's main category is titled "(Year) in Canadian television", and categorized as follows:

[[Category:(Year) in Canada|Television]]
[[Category:(Year) in television|Canada]]
[[Category:Years in Canadian television]]

The program subcategory is titled "(Year) Canadian television program debuts", and categorized as follows:

[[Category:(Year) in Canadian television]]
[[Category:(Year) television program debuts|Canada]]

I've been doing this as I go along, rather than in any sort of methodical way, but at present these are the categories that I've created: 1952, 1958, 1967, 1970, 1974, 1975, 1979, 1985, 1987 and everything after 1992, including 2008.

However, except for 2006 and 2008, I haven't created head articles for any given year yet (one already existed for 2007, grazie Davodd), nor have I necessarily recategorized everything that belongs in any given year. (And yes, there was already enough information on the record to make a viable start on 2008's head article.)

So if anybody wants to help get this organized, here's what needs to be done:

  • categories for any year that doesn't have them yet
  • head articles for any year that doesn't have one yet
  • filing the appropriate articles (in particular, one or more people should methodically go through all the Canadian television show categories to make sure that all television shows are in the appropriate start-year and/or end-year categories, because many of them haven't been added to either one).

Sorry to be such a gassy windbag! Bearcat 07:57, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Requesting assistance...

We're in a bit of a stalemate over at Talk:Stargate SG-1#Vancouver edit war. Could we have your assistance in deciding how to cite the show's location? Should it be Vancouver, B.C., Vancouver, British Columbia, or Vancouver, Canada? We appreciate any help you can give. =David(talk)(contribs) 02:30, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

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TV corporation assistance

I started a new article about Blair Murdoch Television Inc, but I required more help to make that article more broad. I'm not sure how many TV shows that were produced by Blair Murdoch. If anyone could pitch in and hopefully create a list of TV shows, that would make the article even better. Johnsprogram 21:42, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Talk page template merge

I've modified the {{WikiProject Canada}} template so that you can now add a show to both WP:CANADA and this project in one template by using the parameter "tvshow=yes". It will still add the article to the assessment table for this project, though it would use the same rating that it uses for WP:CANADA. Check out Talk:The Red Green Show to see what this will look like. --Arctic Gnome (talkcontribs) 21:32, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

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WGA Strike

Do shows under this project also include the Canadian shows that use American writers? 70.55.85.35 (talk) 04:48, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Include radio shows

Would anyone here support the project widening its scope a bit to include articles about radio shows? I don't think that there would be enough support to make a full project for radio shows, but most issues that those articles would face would be similar to the ones faced by articles about TV shows, so I think we can handle both here. --Arctic Gnome (talkcontribs) 16:06, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

cat suggestions

Category:Television series set in British Columbia seems to have potential; I can only think of:

Category:Television series made in British Columbia, of which the previous proposed cat would be a subcat, I think would have even more listings: here's the ones I can think of:

I see there's a Category:Vancouver television series but I'm uncomfortable with its title; it doesn't take in Victoria-made series (ReBoot and others); the main reason it's "mostly Vancouver" for TV series-made-in-BC is because there were/are no other "film centres" except Victoria; either Kelowna or Kamloops is onw now, thoug, so "made in BC" is still going to be relevant, if and when TV series are made in the Interior; I still think a subcat for "set in Vancouver" is a valid idea, though....and I see from the Vancouver-series cat how many I've missed.....Skookum1 (talk) 04:15, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

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CWD and CWH

Canada's Worst Driver and Canada's Worst Handyman only cover season 1. I suggest that these be replaced by series articles, and the season articles be moved somewhere...

alternately, series articles should be created... but I think most people are looking for series articles at the main name.

70.55.203.112 (talk) 07:58, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

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Toronto Jones, P.I.

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Wikipedia:Article Incubator/Breaking Point (TV)

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76.66.197.151 (talk) 05:31, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

  Done Your page has been moved to main space thank you for making it ::....Breaking Point (2010 TV series) ....Moxy (talk) 05:50, 9 September 2010 (UTC) !!!!

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Seasons episode list

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Task force of WikiProject Television?

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Why? WikiProjects have ebbs and flows of activity - just because one becomes inactive for awhile doesn't mean that it won't become active again. I actually liked the idea raised at WP:CANTALK to expand the scope to Canadian television, or even Canadian broadcasting, so that it covers more topics. --Skeezix1000 (talk) 13:47, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
Well, I agree, I don't want to convert into a task force of WP:TV. I may possibly rename to WikiProject Canadian television, just like WikiProject American television and WikiProject Australian television. JJ98 (Talk / Contributions) 22:39, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
Yes, this should be renamed to "Canadian television". And since it functions as a subproject of WPCANADA (see the banner), I don't see why it would taskforce to WPTV, instead of WPCANADA. 70.24.249.190 (talk) 01:26, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Naming convention

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Motive

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I have just done a little work on Motive [2], if someone could check it is all ok it would be appreciated. Thanks. Chaosdruid (talk) 18:07, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

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Quiet in here

Echo echo echo ... :-) Seriously, though, is there interest here in updating the project? The project title is Canadian television, but the banner has TV shows as its text. I asked over at the talk page for the wp: canada project banner to update to this project's title. I see the categories that the banner uses also have show in the title. Anyway, I'd like to do some update on the tv content. I would like to update the Television in Canada article. Anyone out there??? ... Alaney2k (talk) 17:58, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

@Alaney2k: Yes it is quiet here, not unlike wp:WikiProject Ottawa and wp:WikiProject Vancouver that only came to life after I recently asked for help there in regards to one of their articles which turned to be controversial (don't ask me why). BTW I was not even aware of the existence of this wikiproj until just now (or I knew and forgot long ago). Ottawahitech (talk) 12:07, 7 January 2017 (UTC)please ping me

Requested page move

Please see the discussion on Talk:The Biography Channel (Canada) for a requested page move. musimax. (talk) 15:35, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

Request for input on merger

I invite you to help build consensus on the proposed merger of M3 (Canadian TV channel) into the Gusto (TV channel) article. Please see Talk:Gusto (TV channel).musimax. (talk) 19:23, 8 January 2017 (UTC)