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Cleanup for weapons

A lot of Imperium/Chaos vehicle articles have links to articles which don't exist. I am removing them as I go along, bu there are seriously loads. For a more knowledgeable and relaxed Wikipedia- Nemesis646 (talk) 20:42, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Useful sources

I've been asked to post this source here, as it might prove useful. --Explodicle (T/C) 20:32, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Wow. That's a pretty awesome read. Thanks! Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 09:27, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

One more potential source: http://www.tauonline.org/index.php Tealwisp (talk) 21:18, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

and another http://www.area52.com.au/index.htm I'll add more as I find them, and these are both useful for almost any army. Tealwisp (talk) 21:38, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Question - did you read the source Explodicle linked? It is an article from an established magazine which uses interviews with notable science fiction authors to provide background material on the Games Workshop company. Your links are fan sites dealing with miniature releases. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 09:02, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

I said potential. The first one hadn't struck me as a fansite, to be honest, but then I don't spend to much time on them. And yes, I did read the first posted article. Tealwisp (talk) 20:22, 17 September 2008 (UTC)Tealwisp (talk) 20:21, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm quite sure a magazine (well-circulated and reliable) qualifies as a reliable source. Any objections? The article(s) in question are proffesional reviews of Dawn of War, which provides notability of the universe, at least, if not the really obscure stuff. Tealwisp (talk) 08:12, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Too deletionist

How many articles has this project deleted? You're dangerously close to deleting everything about the tabletop game. For a more knowledgeable and relaxed Wikipedia- Nemesis646 (talk) 14:23, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

"Dangerously close" to completion of a proposed cleanup of in-universe cruft originally planned in November of last year (check the archives). I don't consider this to be a bad thing. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 14:29, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Note: In particular see the discussions in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Warhammer 40,000/Archive 6. --Craw-daddy | T | 15:10, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

• This project doesn't delete articles. The articles in this project get deleted. We can't help that there is very limited coverage of WH 40K sub-topics in independent media. Unless some new secondary sources pop up (like the one above) or the notability guidelines change (not likely), this project (which is now at 140 articles) is liable to drop to 50 or so over time. the same problems exist here as do at most fiction wikiprojects. there is a staggering amount of detail created by Games Workshop and editors who work on 40K articles feel compelled to add a big chunk of it. That results in very large articles (and many of them) which are inaccessible to the general reader. Hopefully one of the reasons this happened was because there wasn't a quality scale for articles. Now that there is, maybe people can try to get articles up to B class or GA class and that might help us out. This may not be possible if too many editors have left the project for the 40K wikia or left altogether. Maybe that's the case, maybe it isn't. I hope that this project can be revived and we can get some good articles put together on core subjects. Protonk (talk) 14:38, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

I do have to agree, many facets of wikipedia, especially related to fictional settings seem to have come under attack in the last year. The rise of alternative wikis is at least partially related, but for stuff like 40k, it's far bigger in the non-internet world then many other large projects, but it seems to be lumped in with many other setting which have their own well made alternative wikis, which 40k is most definitely lacking at this point. Unfortunately, it's being hit by the same purge as such series as Star Wars and Star Trek, which have well established alternative wikis. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zanotam (talk • contribs) 05:23, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Member activity

I'm going to be sending out some messages to see which members of the project are still active and still interested in the project itself. If you don't want to receive one please let me know on my talk page or just post something here. The .txt list I have is from an older parse of the participants list (about 4 days old), so simply removing your name from the list of participants won't mean you don't get the message. If you are still active and interested in the project you can also let me know here and I'll spare you the automated message. the hope is that we end up with a manageable list of project members and not a >1 year old roll call. Protonk (talk) 19:18, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Redirects

I find it very hard to imagine that any named character or group in this series would not be a usable redirect at the very least, even if the article is not sustainable. . As I do not have the knowledge to improve articles on this subject myself, I have been changing those in danger of deletion into redirects to where seems appropriate. This does not mean that I oppose reverting that, and instead fixing and defending the article, or finding a better redirect or merge. Please fix as needed. DGG (talk) 03:03, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Can you be sure to remove the project tag from the talk page after you redirect it? I've just got the assessment up and going and I'd like to keep good numbers for the articles. Thanks for your help. Protonk (talk) 03:09, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Standardise format

We ought to set up a standard "template" for articles, in order to aid editors in writing articles. Hopefully we could improve the articles instead of letting them go to deletion. Tealwisp (talk) 03:10, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

You Guys Made Slashdot (And Deletionpedia)

Slashdot has an article about Deletionpedia, mentioning: "Geek lore seems to be a particular target for deletion, with the deleted page of the month a comprehensive guide to 'Weapons of the Imperium (Warhammer 40,000)'.[...]"[1] The weapons article is the article of the month at deletionpedia. Nicely done. ;-) --Falcorian ^(talk) 22:03, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Woohoo! I wonder how many comments which basically amounted to "Wikipedia is not paper" got modded +5 insightful. Slashdot is a good sight, but the crowd there tends to have pretty firm opinions about how other people run their businesses. Protonk (talk) 22:15, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Nah, Slashdot has been entirely useless since boingboing became popular. Which was what, seven years ago? I am eagerly awaiting the first time that someone links to that article from an AfD though. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 08:45, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

didn't take long a userpage, not afd. And I like slashdot's comments more than BB's. The threading system and moderation works....kind of (as long as you correct for biases in the userbase). Boingboing just has strict moderation and flat threaded comments. Protonk (talk) 17:05, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Also made ars. ;) --Falcorian ^(talk) 20:01, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

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At the minute there is only one article being included. Why? For a more knowledgeable and relaxed Wikipedia- Nemesis646 (talk) 05:10, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

It looks to me like they determined the importance with a page rank style system. The other articles didn't have enough incoming links from other linked articles. I'm surprised Dawn of War didn't get in. Protonk (talk) 14:56, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Game in play

Does anyone have a free image of a game in play or an army on a field of terrain? All we seem to use are promo shots and it really limits where they can be placed. I'm stretching FU as it is with the images on the 40K page. I checked Commons but all of that stuff is fanart. Protonk (talk) 14:55, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

It just happens that I recently attempted to do a journalism project on a 40k blackreach event. So yes, I have about 50 pictures, not all good, though, and a lot of them are of the players. But I do have images, unfortunately, its all imperium and orks, and I think the occasional one of my Tau. The other obstacle is that I have no idea how to upload images. Tealwisp (talk) 20:30, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Upload it at commons. Players standing around a game table would be perfect. If you have any trouble (or don't want to fuss with it), you can email me and I'll upload them. Protonk (talk) 21:14, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

As a note, a close up image of a miniature is probably a derivative work and will be deleted. However, a good case can be made that simply having miniatures in the picture doesn't meet that. In other words, you can pose in front of a statue or next to a figurine you painted and it is harder to claim that is a derivative work. Protonk (talk) 22:02, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

I don't have any pictures of myself, but I have pictures of other people playing, however, I don't know if they want their pictures on wikipedia. I think I might be able to get pictures of myself in a few days, though. Tealwisp (talk) 17:36, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Got some off flicker and added them to Warhammer 40,000 and Miniature wargaming. Thanks though. Protonk (talk) 05:29, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Space Marine chapter list

I moved the list of Marine chapters to userspace a while ago, and unfortunately, I haven't had a chance to work on it. I am looking for input, though, and I am interested in what everyone else thinks should be noted in the article. Please discuss on the Talk page. Tealwisp (talk) 20:25, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

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Wikia/wikipedia

As usual in the is not policy page there is an argument about the policies which may be giving wiki focus or just keeping it back. One issue is interwikification. An I think WikiProject Warhammer 40,000 is the best example: I have noticed that WikiProject Warhammer 40,000 pages have little or no links to the warhammer wikia (I was expecting a big navigation bar at the top). Is that done on purpose to boicot the odd policy or a result of the work of red tape loonies? (minor> Why do all pages have warnings?) --Squidonius (talk) 14:47, 21 October 2009 (UTC)(I am/was a fan of the game but only a molecular biology editor)

• Oh, pages in the project space? I don't care either way. You can add links to warhammer wikis in a tasteful fashion. On articles the links will have to be remanded to the external links section but they should be there. As for the warnings, who knows? Most of them are up there because the articles cover subjects which are unsourced, unsourcable or focused only on in-universe material. If you don't think a tag applies, just remove it. Protonk (talk) 16:09, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

{{Wh40kwikia|space_marines|space marines}}

I am not a warhammer editor, as all I know is probably really old. I was enquiring as to why there was nothing like this here on the side of the page, but from your reply I gather that it is because nobody has made one, in that case please have this! just add {{wh40kwikia|URL|name of link to display}} to the top of the page (see template:wh40kwikia for details), feel free to edit it freely or ignore it. --Squidonius (talk) 14:25, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

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