Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women in Red/Monthly achievement initiative: August 2018

Doubts regarding the addition of stub articles to this list

First of all, I appreciate this concept and I try my level best to turn those reds into blues. But I have added 2 stub articles to this list for now (created on 1 August 2018). Is it okay for this initiative? They are:- Alice Jackson and Roos Drost. Well I did create Women related articles in July 2018 which were remarkably larger in size compared to the above mentioned articles including Mariam Fardous, Alicia Bellán, Ingrid Park etc. But I was not aware of this initiative earlier. Only today morning I got to know about this in detail. Thanks. Abishe (talk) 14:14, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

I've added two stubs to the list, they're part of my long-standing project to write articles for every professor in the country. I've got a spreadsheet and I'm working my way through it, more than a hundred in so far... Stuartyeates (talk) 20:02, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

@Abishe and Stuartyeates: Stubs are accepted and should be listed as such if you do not intend to develop them further. Informative stubs with basic details of sports people, etc., can be useful but many can be expanded to reach start class. Start class is not clearly defined but should usually contain over 1,500 B of running text. We would appreciate efforts to expand stubs to at least start class although this is not a requirement for participation.--Ipigott (talk) 11:38, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

@Ipigott: I accept your saying on the stub class articles and I try my level best to expand those stubs if I can able to retrieve further information about the sportspeople that I have created so far for this initiative. I am generally focused on creating more female squash players, other sportspeople as well. But I never negotiate in dealing with social activists, writers etc. I can contribute to WIR in terms of every field, not only restricted to particular area. Yes I apologise for adding stub articles to this initiative but I think some of the articles that I created as a part of this initiative are quite relevant to reach the start class standard. Thank you. Abishe (talk) 13:17, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Drafts?

I've added a draft, do I list it? Natalie Bueno Vasquez (talk) 03:21, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

Natalie Bueno Vasquez: Your draft was good. Next time, why not add your article directly to mainspace.--Ipigott (talk) 11:38, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Ipigott: Thanks! I'll do that. Natalie Bueno Vasquez (talk) 18:03, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Articles Groups

Hello; how are the newly created articles distributed to these groups? do I add my articles to any? --Mervat (talk) 20:24, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Mervat: Just list your first article under "First biography" and continue downwards as yout create more articles. Good to have you here. Happy editing!--Ipigott (talk) 18:53, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Ipigott: Got it :) --Mervat (talk) 19:04, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Issue with categorization of Ebony Flowers

Hello, I am a newer editor and have been having issues with the categorization of Ebony Flowers— the dispute is seen on my talk page. Are there any more senior editors that can weigh in? Rosiestep commented that my categorization was correct and that WP:GHETTO applied but it seems like the person on the arbitration committee is more of an old school Wikipedian who disagrees with the policy and is possibly siding with the other editor. Let me know if you have any suggestions. Cbratbyrudd (talk) 10:58, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

WP:GHETTO is very confusing and many get it wrong occasionally. The current cats look good, except for the missing Category:African-American writers. http://www.ronajaffefoundation.org/winners.html is a better source for the award, since it's more independent of the subject. Stuartyeates (talk) 00:17, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Actually I might move her from Category:American women writers to Category:21st-century American women writers (and similarly for other cats), because the parent cats are vast. Stuartyeates (talk) 00:26, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments Stuartyeates The problem is that the changes I make keep getting reverted. there is currently a debate about this page on the arbitration committee. Please feel free to weigh in there. I am just not sure how to deal with the situation because no consensus has been made. cbratbyrudd (talk) 00:26, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

I don't see a problem with your edits, and as far as I remember they're still live, because I was the last person to edit it before it was protected? The Drover's Wife (talk) 03:41, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Talk page banner

Is there an article talk page banner for articles created for the August Initiative, or perhaps another WIR banner that could be used? – Reidgreg (talk) 14:47, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Reidgreg: If the article coincides with one of the priorities of the month, you can use one of these: {{WIR-87}} for Indigenous women, {{WIR-88}} for Marginalized populations, {{WIR-89}} for Women writers and {{WIR-90}} for Bottom 10. If not, you can simply use {{WIR-00-2018}} corresponding to #1day1woman which covers women from any sphere of interest.--Ipigott (talk) 08:57, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Reminder for UK and Irish related contributions

Wikipedia:The 10,000 Challenge is a great place to add any articles related to the United Kingdom and Ireland. We're currently marching towards 4000 - help it break through and get halfway home! ☕ Antiqueight ^chatter 07:56, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

When do we start to get the barnstars?

Please do we give ourselves barnstars after getting to 10 articles or we wait till a WIR executive does that officially on our talkpage first? I prefer the latter. HandsomeBoy (talk) 20:31, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

HandsomeBoy: You are certainly welcome to copy the templates onto your user page yourself, as suggested in the introduction. The basic idea is that we should reduce the administrative overload to a minimum. I've copied the 10 bio box to the top of your user page. You might like to combine it with other user boxes. Check what other participants have been doing. Keep up the good work you are doing on Nigerian women.--Ipigott (talk) 11:36, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. HandsomeBoy (talk) 17:42, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

From previous experience, I'm guessing it'd take a couple hours to distribute 45–50 barnstars, and that may not be something I'd want to do every month. Would it make any more sense to award them quarterly? (I noticed the mini-barnstars in the userboxes have a seasonal theme.) – Reidgreg (talk) 21:13, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Reactions and suggestions

In view of the encouraging results for August, we are continuing the Monthly achievement initiative in September. Please help us to improve things further by making comments and suggestions here.--Ipigott (talk) 11:42, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Sounds fantastic! Nat965 (talk) 22:37, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

I've just got one tiny suggestion: the table of contents is too long with 70+ bio subheadings. I'd use {{TOC limit|3}} or {{TOC hidden}}. — Bilorv_(c)(talk) 01:06, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

A nice concept with having flag icons. The flag icons gave positive incentives to me personally to create women biographies from various countries. So I enjoyed doing this also by creating medalists in the ongoing 2018 Asian Games, by giving my maximum priority towards women medalists. Abishe (talk) 03:25, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Controversial issue on Patricia Benoit

Copying from talk page of WikiProject Women in Red

For the WIR August initiative, on 13 August 2018, I created an article for the stage actress Patricia Benoit which didn't have a Wikipedia article even after her death (died 6 August 2018). So I tried to this article only 7 days after her death since others didn't notice about it. I mentioned that she was a stage actress, film actress, film director when I created the article. But my claims on the late Patricia Benoit were actually false except for the fact that she was only working as a theatre artist and later found out that there was another American person named Patricia Benoit who actually contributed to Haitian literature, worked as a film actress and went onto become a film director for a film related to Haitian culture. This was evident when a user removed the facts regarding the Haitian lady which I initially added without the knowledge that there are 2 popular personalities with the same name and same nationality. The other issue has also been raised only due to my error which is the use of incorrect image of Haitian Patricia Benoit in the Google search index along with the article information that I created. This is a serious issue and want to rectify the image issue. I apologise for this misinformation which would have read by several viewers but this hasn't been much recognised by Wikipedians compared to Aretha Franklin which heaped rumours and quick development of facts before and after her death.

The below mentioned passage related to Haitian-American actress and filmmaker Patricia Benoit (This was initially added by me due to the misunderstanding and unfortunate instance to me)

Patricia Benoit (director)

In 2012, she was critically acclaimed for her directorial venture on Stones in the Sun and was later screened at the 2012 Tribeca Film Festival.

In the 1990s, she transformed into a New York film maker who worked with an Haitian-American novelist Edwidge Danticat and Jonathan Demme, on projects on Haitian art and documentaries about Haïti.

Patricia Benoit directed a short film titled Fern's Heart of Darkness which appeared as one of the ten such short stories combined to produce a television film Subway Stories in 1997. However she rose to prominence as a film director only at the age of 85 where she was critically acclaimed for her directorial venture of Stones in the Sun, a film based on the lives of Haitian people was released in 2012 accumulating positive reviews from the audience.