Wikipedia talk:Wiki Loves Explainer Videos
Latest comment: 2 years ago by PJ Geest in topic Lectures from scientists
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editIt would probably be better to discuss this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Medicine. Blue Rasberry (talk) 20:05, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
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Lectures from scientists
editHi all
I added some lectures from scientist (from this category: [1]) to different articles (for example like this edit [2]), but someone reverted it by Wikipedia:External links. Is this legit? I could not find anything on the page External links about educational videos... --PJ Geest (talk) 12:47, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Wikipedia's relationship with video is complicated and as-yet poorly developed. It's easy when it comes to videos which illustrate an aspect of a subject, but gets trickier for videos which explain the subject. The title of this page may be kind of confusing. It's the name of a project, but if it were about explainer videos in general, the title should probably be something like "Wikipedia has an unclear, but a little bit uneasy relationship with explainer videos". The reason it's uneasy is because explainer videos tend to be a substitute/stand-in for or alternative to all or part of the article. Unlike the article, however, they cannot be edited [easily]. Wikipedians are particular about how we present things in articles, so as soon as there's something which is out of step with consensus about how to explain a subject, the only option is to just remove the video. At this point, decisions are going to happen on the level of each article. If you think the video improves the page, you can open a thread on the talk page making that case and see if there's consensus for it. Sorry the guidelines aren't clearer in this regard. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 13:08, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- You can set a starttime and endtime, so there are some limited intermediate options, but thanks for the explanation!--PJ Geest (talk) 13:17, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- I see potential issues with finding video clips, uploading them, and them embedding them in articles, including copyright, whether the video clips are helpful or redundant, whether they are sufficiently reliable and verifiable to be included, whether they are being added to help the project and articles or for some other reason (such as promotion of the speaker). The mere fact that a video clip exists of somebody speaking on the same topic addressed in an article is not grounds for embedding the clip, and a liberal approach to the embedding of related video clips seems likely to raise issues of over-inclusion. Arllaw (talk) 15:23, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- There is no issue with copyright, theses videos have a Creative Commons license. Furthermore an extra argument for keeping the videos is that commercial websites like YouTube become more and more attractive and users increasingly expect answers to their search queries in rich content (e.g., image, video, and audio formats), see following post What does the world need from us now? External Trends to Watch. So Wikipedia cannot stay behind, it should stay attractive. What matters for including the video is: is the content of the video good, does it help the reader to get the information they should have. If you include a reference of a certain person it's also promotion of the writer, so I think this is just similar. By the way, I am from Belgium, I don't have any links with the Netherlands (where the videos are from). And these videos are reliable because they are given by scientists. --PJ Geest (talk) 08:47, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- And if you are worried about promotion, you could also change the image description to "Lecture about ...", without mentioning the scientist. --PJ Geest (talk) 10:18, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- I see potential issues with finding video clips, uploading them, and them embedding them in articles, including copyright, whether the video clips are helpful or redundant, whether they are sufficiently reliable and verifiable to be included, whether they are being added to help the project and articles or for some other reason (such as promotion of the speaker). The mere fact that a video clip exists of somebody speaking on the same topic addressed in an article is not grounds for embedding the clip, and a liberal approach to the embedding of related video clips seems likely to raise issues of over-inclusion. Arllaw (talk) 15:23, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- You can set a starttime and endtime, so there are some limited intermediate options, but thanks for the explanation!--PJ Geest (talk) 13:17, 7 June 2022 (UTC)