Category talk:German noble templates
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Initial comment
editIt all looks very, very good. I'm impressed! However, what is the input supposed to look like for the alternative templates? Charles 00:37, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
- I've added the usage to the alternatives section. Basically, just pass the title/rank as a parameter:
{{German title|Freiherr}}--Swift 02:16, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
Nobility in Germany abolished in 1919, no more noble titles
editIn Germany, after nobility had been officially abolished with the establishment of the Weimar Republic in 1919, former [[noble titles were made part of the person's surname, and all former noblemen became citizens. First name: Alexander, last name: Graf Lambsdorff (short form). It is a mere courtesy to address him as "Graf Lambsdorff" (Count Lambsdorff); it is correct to say "Herr Graf Lambsdorff" (Mr. Count Lambsdorff, as in 'Mr. Smith'). The template, as it is, suggests that individuals with former noble titles in their names who lived after 1919, such as Alexander Graf Lambsdorff or his father Otto (born in 1926), were/are noblemen, which is incorrect.Lexiken (talk) 19:12, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
+ACK. The templates should be changed or be used only for persons who lived before 1919. Since 1919, "Prinz" or "von" is just part of the last name of a person, but not a title. 85.179.38.171 (talk) 08:48, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
Incorrect information in template
editEach of the templates includes this statement: "Before the August 1919 abolition of nobility as a legal class, titles preceded the full name when given (Graf Helmuth James von Moltke)." This is categorically false. As is evident from a review of primary source material before 1919 where given names were included - court and state handbooks, military rank lists, genealogical handbooks of the noble houses - the title rarely preceded the given name. The only exceptions were members of ruling houses and mediatized former ruling houses, and even there, the rules were inconsistent. For example, the Bavarian court and state handbooks would list someone as "Prinz XXXX von Bayern" in one place and "XXXX Prinz von Bayern" in another. But a count like Moltke would be Helmuth James Graf von Moltke. 65.216.227.119 (talk) 17:54, 7 November 2021 (UTC)