Talk:2001 Atlantic hurricane season

Image for each storm

I am trying to get an image for each storm, like 2005. I have started uploading ones that aren't on Wikipedia yet, and they are listed below. If you find a better image, feel free to replace it.

• Tropical Storm Barry
• Tropical Storm Chantal
• Tropical Storm Dean
• Hurricane Erin
• Hurricane Felix
• Hurricane Gabrielle- This is after Florida landfall. Can you find something better, and should it be a hurricane pic?
• Hurricane Humberto
• Tropical Storm Jerry
• Hurricane Karen
• Tropical Storm Lorenzo
• Hurricane Noel
• Hurricane Olga

Should Gabrielle be before Florida or as a hurricane? Can't find ones of Felix, Jerry, or Lorenzo at their peaks. Hurricanehink 21:54, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Got them all. Hopefully they are good enough. Hurricanehink 20:53, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

ACE?

At Talk:Accumulated_Cyclone_Energy/Atlantic_by_year are the ACE values I've calculated from the best-track. This conflicts with the ACE given in this article. Why? Is there a source for the data in this article? Jdorje 01:28, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism

Fixed vandalism in the Naming sections, where the names were altered (such as "Wendy" becoming "your mama" and "Tanya" becoming "Tj") as well as a few explicit sentences at the end. Jake52 23:26, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Another depression?

According to this, there was a depression over canada. But it's possible that it's not a tropical depression, as it doen't say that. What do you people think? íslenska hurikein #12_(samtal) 21:08, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Nice pic, but no need to mention it. It is clearly extratropical. Hurricanehink (talk) 21:13, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Storm section

Why can't you just do what all other articles do: put a list of the storms in that section?! Rory (reply on my page!) (talk) 22:54, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Should we go back to the old format? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:36, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

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Merge list article?

This one slipped by. Should we merge the "list of storms" article? It's highly redundant. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:16, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

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Proposed merge of Hurricane Humberto (2001) into 2001 Atlantic hurricane season

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Fails WP:NWX as there was no damage or fatalities from the storm and overall minimal impact. Noah, AA^Talk 14:50, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Merge. Minor impact. The season article would be greatly improved by absorbing the content from the Humberto article. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:15, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

• Merge Does not warrant a standalone article for the reasons stated. This storm's story can be well told within the season article. Drdpw (talk) 21:57, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
• Weak keep Because I feel that the sailing record mentioned in the article would be removed from 2001 Atlantic hurricane season should a merger proceed. And that is encyclopediac content.--134.6.205.51 (talk) 19:29, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

  That's not something that should prevent a merger from happening. Opposing due to something that may or may not even happen and should have a discussion (for inclusion or exclusion) in and of itself isn't a valid rationale. Noah, AA^Talk 16:11, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

• Strong Keep — While it only had minor impacts, it does pass WP:NEVENT. WP:NWX is a helpful guide, but is not full policy/guidelines. Actually, a search on Google Scholar for “Hurricane Humberto 2001” pulled up several academic/research articles including: A Model Study of Gravity Waves over Hurricane Humberto (2001) {2008 case study}, The formation of hurricane Humberto (2001): The importance of extra-tropical precursors {2007 case study}, and The Evolution of Hurricane Humberto (2001) {2014 case study}. Seems clear that while the hurricane had minimal impacts, the hurricane itself is notable and has lasting coverage. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 23:26, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

  @WeatherWriter: The question I have with you voting keep on every one of these discussions you are participating in is why should there be an article on an individual storm if it comes at the expense of the season article? Keeping smaller articles on questionably notable storms ends up being bad in the long-run because the season article suffers from a lack of material. Either the articles get merged if it would be beneficial or the season article gets sent to GAR/FAR for not covering the major aspects or not being comprehensive. I will tell you from experience that not every journal should be included in an article (relevance) and that a passing mention does nothing to establish notability. I will also tell you that many of these storms have impact that would fall under WP:ROUTINE since it's expected for minimal damage to occur from either winds or water. While these aren't true fish storms, they are the low-hanging fruit. There are cases where I have not nominated small articles since the season section is fleshed out appropriately and a merge wouldn't be needed. Your choice here, but if you do this on every discussion we have now and in the future in cases where almost everyone else agrees a merge is appropriate, I would consider it to be disruptive towards the goal of improving the encyclopedia. Noah, AA^Talk 00:12, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

  Hurricane Noah, I would strongly suggest you strike your direct personal attack against me. I have commented in exactly 3 proposed merges you have started in the last 10 days. Saying "in the future in cases where almost everyone else agrees a merge is appropriate, I would consider it to be disruptive towards the goal of improving the encyclopedia is the exact opposite of how it should be as you should focus entirely on the content and not the editor. If I see any further very well directed and unwarrented attacks against me for commenting in a basic proposed merge discussion that you started, I will go to AN/I as I did nothing wrong. I did not attack you in my comment. I never mentioned a single editor and I focused entirely on the article and on why I think it should be kept. So please, strike your personal attack and focus on the dang content and not on my 3 comments. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 01:06, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

  @WeatherWriter: I'm not striking anything. It would be pointless considering it's still there regardless. You quickly commented on these proposed merges in short order, making it look like you were going to oppose every single merger if journals covering something tangentially related to the storm existed. I merely stated what I would consider to be disruptive actions as a caution to not go down that path, not that you have done something disruptive as of this point. Did you read all these ahead of time before making the comments or did you simply find them and post them here? I ask because I'm not certain whether you did so or not since the comments were made in quick succession. Some of the various journals seem like relevant meteorological/impact topics while others do not. Noah, AA^Talk 01:33, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

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Proposed merge of Hurricane Olga into 2001 Atlantic hurricane season

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Fails WP:NWX since the impact was minimal. Other than it being large and lasting a while, the storm isn't very notable. The season section in this article is in dire need of an expansion and merging this article would give it the material it so desperately needs. Noah, AA^Talk 16:09, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

• Strong Keep — Passes WP:NEVENT and has lasting coverage. A quick search on Google Scholar turned up: The Role of Atmospheric Processes Associated with Hurricane Olga in the December 2001 Floods in Israel {2004 case study} and An evaluation of the role of hurricane Olga (2001) in an extreme rainy event in Israel using dynamic tropopause maps {2006 case study}. Noting there were several other articles not directly about Hurricane Olga that made some level of mention of Hurricane Olga. An example is A southeastern Mediterranean PV streamer and its role in December 2001 case with torrential rains in Israel, a 2007 case study. It seems clear that Hurricane Olga had lasting coverage, and honestly, seems to have impacts that have yet to be mentioned in the article, just from the look at the academic articles mentioning impacts in Israel. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 23:34, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
• Keep per WeatherWriter, the article passes WP:LASTING and thus, WP:NEVENT per the references above. Noting that WP:NWX is not an official notability guideline, but rather an essay on notability. The extent of impacts does not determine the notability of an event. ~ Tails Wx (🐾, me!) 15:40, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

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