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GA Review

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Reviewer: Usernameunique (talk · contribs) 12:13, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Lead

• Ricky Craven ... started from the 32nd position — The chart below says 31st.
  • Corrected MWright96 (talk) 19:16, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
• It was Craven's ... final win of his career — Not mentioned in the body.
  • Removed MWright96 (talk) 19:16, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
    • It's an interesting fact, you might actually consider adding it somewhere (e.g., "Craven earned his second (and ultimately last) career win"). But up to you.

Infobox

293 laps, 400.238 mi (644.014 km) — The number of laps is in the lead and infobox, but not in the body of the article. The distance is only in the infobox. Added into the prose MWright96 (talk) 19:40, 4 April 2020 (UTC) Wind speed is also only mentioned in the infobox. Added into the prose MWright96 (talk) 19:40, 4 April 2020 (UTC) Is average speed supposed to be the average speed of the winner, or of all racers combined? The average speed of the race winner is the one that is mentioned MWright96 (talk) 19:16, 4 April 2020 (UTC) You might consider adding some of the info about broadcasting into the body; most of what is in the infobox is only in the infoxbox. But that's a smaller deal. Added into the prose MWright96 (talk) 19:16, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Background
Drivers were required to strenuously manage their tire degradation — Maybe "monitor their tire degradation"? Changed MWright96 (talk) 16:53, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Practice and qualifying

one on Friday and two on Saturday — Was the Friday one held in the morning? If so, maybe "one on Friday morning and two on Saturday" since qualifying was held in the afternoon. Clarified MWright96 (talk) 16:53, 4 April 2020 (UTC) used provisionals to enter the race — What does this mean? Added a wikilink to the term MWright96 (talk) 16:53, 4 April 2020 (UTC) Can you briefly explain here what it means? From the link, I get the sense that it means their owners had sufficient points for their drivers to automatically qualify. But (maybe because the rules have changed since 2003), the link says that "In the Cup Series four positions are awarded" when here six qualified, and it says that the spots are given "to the fastest qualifying open teams"; I'm not sure what that means. Added that information MWright96 (talk) 19:40, 4 April 2020 (UTC) Just out of curiosity, is there anything to be gained by having fast laps in post-qualifying practice sessions, or is it just bragging rights and the promise of a good car to race in? Well, it's usually for teams to fine-tune their cars for the race and to test whether some legal parts would help in improving its performance MWright96 (talk) 16:53, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Race

Johnson made contact with Marlin, who was sent veering into an outside barrier on the backstretch. A cut tire disabled the steering on Marlin's vehicle on the run to turn one, and he crashed against a wall. — I'm a bit confused here. So first Marlin got hit by Johnson, sending him into a barrier, and then a cut tire on his car disabled his steering, causing him to bounce from the barrier into a wall? Also, "on the run" is a big jargony. Reworded MWright96 (talk) 16:53, 4 April 2020 (UTC) The latter three continued driving — What about the former three? Added information MWright96 (talk) 16:53, 4 April 2020 (UTC) Earnhardt remained the leader from Nadeau and Spencer at the restart on lap 40 — Not sure what "from Nadeau and Spencer" means here. Reworded sentence MWright96 (talk) 16:53, 4 April 2020 (UTC) on the circuit as he remained on the same lap as the leader — Not sure you need this. Removed MWright96 (talk) 16:53, 4 April 2020 (UTC) Throughout the article there seems to be some inconsistency between front stretch/frontstretch/back stretch/backstretch Corrected MWright96 (talk) 16:53, 4 April 2020 (UTC) Also some inconsistency between "pit road," "the pit road," and "pit lane." Not a problem if they're properly understood as synonyms, however. Corrected MWright96 (talk) 16:53, 4 April 2020 (UTC) On lap 289, Craven began to gain on Busch — But somewhere around 278, didn't Busch's spotter tell him that Craven was already gaining? Reworded MWright96 (talk) 16:53, 4 April 2020 (UTC) as Craven's car got loose because he could not remove his hands from the steering wheel and drive towards the barrier — Why would he want to drive towards the barrier? Removed that particular portion of text MWright96 (talk) 16:53, 4 April 2020 (UTC) As Busch perceived this as the ideal situation, he had no plan for taking the victory — Why was that ideal for him? And what does it mean that he had no plan? Reworded the sentence MWright96 (talk) 16:53, 4 April 2020 (UTC) Craven is first mentioned around lap 242, when he was in fourth place. Given that he won (and started pretty far back), perhaps some of his progression should be included? Unfortunately, contemporary and later reports of the race do not go back farther than that, which can happen from time to time. MWright96 (talk) 19:40, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Post-race
Craven ... asked his crew who had won the race. Leaving turn two, he glanced to his left to read the scoring pylon informing drivers and spectators of the finishing positions, and learnt he had succeed. — So his crew didn't tell him? Yes, that was the case since his crew were too escatic to tell Craven that he had won the race. MWright96 (talk) 19:40, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Overall

• Looks good, MWright96. A few more comments above. --Usernameunique (talk) 19:05, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
  • Thanks, MWright96. Passing now. There's a comment above that you might consider, but certainly nothing to hold up the nomination. Again, feel free to drop me a line if you take this to FAC. --Usernameunique (talk) 20:03, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:22, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

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• Article history

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• ... that a finishing gap of 0.002 seconds at the 2003 Carolina Dodge Dealers 400 was the closest finish in NASCAR Cup Series history since the introduction of electronic scoring in 1993? Source: NASCAR's Busch and Craven Recall Darlington Finish 15 Years Later": The Drive & No denying Craven: No. 32 bumps off Busch at line": The Dayona Beach News-Journal
  • ALT1:... that the 2003 Carolina Dodge Dealers 400 was the 100th NASCAR Cup Series race to be held at Darlington Raceway? Source: Darlington's 100th race may be its last in spring": Indianapolis Star

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Emilia Clarke

Improved to Good Article status by MWright96 (talk). Self-nominated at 20:40, 4 April 2020 (UTC).

• Hmm, this looks familiar... GA, in time, long enough, sourced, no apparent copyvios, in-line hook citations check out, QPQ done. Strong preference for ALT0. MWright96, I've removed the "joint-" from "joint-closest finish"; "joint" might be appropriate if the hook were written in the present tense, but since the hook is written in the past tense—and the tie only happened later—it is not needed here. --Usernameunique (talk) 06:41, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

• Usernameunique, regrettably, you are not an eligible reviewer for this nomination, since you were the reviewer at GAN per WP:DYKSG#H2: You're not allowed to approve your own hook or article, nor may you review an article if it's a recently listed Good Article that you either nominated or reviewed for GA (though you can still nominate it for DYK). The idea is that a new reviewer might spot something that the original reviewer might have overlooked in their review (and indeed this has happened in the past). So we're going to need a fresh review by someone not involved with the GA review. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:44, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

• I will do a full review, due to the need for an independent reviewer
• Y Article is long enough (20338 characters), is a GA, nominated in time (GA on 9 April, nominated on 12 April) and article is within policy
• Y ALT0 is short enough, interesting, and well cited. ALT1 is far less interesting in my opinion, so I suggest we use ALT0
• Y QPQ done
• Overall, this nomination passes, congratulations. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:30, 22 April 2020 (UTC)